Does MM make you do bad from time to time for balance reason

[Grand_Commander_LuXun]

So at this point I have played 310 random battles so I am getting a better hang of things. What I notice is that sometimes I simply can't do well. Either one or two players on my team get all the kills, my team gets wiped out before I do much, or that I just get unlucky. I am especially frustrated when I am forced to play with Tier 6s and 7s in the Omaha, which is the only ship I have played in the last three days. Those higher tiers usually out range me and have much tougher armor. I especially don't like Strait (although I got Kraken Unleashed in a Strait match once), Fault Line (although yesterday I did 90k and scored 153 hits, a personal record), Two Brothers (this one involves too much going in one way then turning around) and Northern Lights (yesterday I got 4th place in a Tier 6/7 match, a rarity). The only maps I like are New Dawn, Solomon Islands, and Big Race.

 

    So I am wondering if MM makes me do badly from time to time to ensure everyone's win rate is not super high. 

[Grand_Commander_LuXun]

I am also not a fan of passive teams. Like EasternWu who introduced me to this game, I like to play very aggressively (although in real life I am very chill about most things). You can check my stats but recently they have gone down a bit because I have been unlucky. I also realize that most players in WoWS came from WoT and other Wargaming titles, so someone like me with 310 battles is definitely a newbie.

[atPrick__]

No.

[bad_arcade_kitty]

no

[Nuk_]

No. All MM takes into effect is tier and type of ship. Skill or streaks do not matter one bit.

[dmckay]

No.

 

Yes.  To a degree WG is rather manipulative.  WoT is very manipulative.. Note...I did NOT say rigged. I am not a tin foil hat type but if you play this companies games long enough you will see odd patterns.  I shut up now.  Very touchy topic.

[VGLance]

Saying the MM has an affect on your outcome is no different than assuming:

 

#1.  The guy to your right at the blackjack table who is hitting when he shouldn't or staying when he should hit is having a net negative on your odds of getting the cards you want.

#2.  Claiming McDonalds is forcing you to gain weight.

#3.  Claiming the banks/mortgage/real estate companies told you that you could afford the house and now you're broke and homeless

 

If you are allowing the influencers in your life (media, school, your parents, friends, etc.) to indoctrinate into a adopting a very toxic thought pattern of immediately looking for external sources as the cause of your circumstances, it's going to have a very detrimental impact on your circumstances.

[Kenjister]

Somebody did a nice analysis on blowout matches in WoT, and basically concluded that given equal teams and no mistakes rather lopsided wins are normal.

 

Now, being low tier can a luck thing, or confirmation bias.

 

One final thing though, it's impossible for MM to keep you down/baddies up by sorting teammates.

How would it do so? If to drag you down it loads your team with poor players, the all those poor players lose win rate as well. If it gives the other team better players to ensure you lose then it ends up giving several other players even higher win rates. Either way, in an effort to push your win rate to 50, it needs to push even more people to the extremes - which is why I'm pretty sure MM doesn't try that.

[LordBenjamin]

Streaks are pretty likely to happen mathematically speaking, it's no conspiracy in MM for you to lose 6 in a row and then win 8 in a row or something.

[DelroyMonjo]

MM is what it is. Sometimes I just picked the wrong ship for the battle map the game gave me.  Luck of the draw.  Play the hand you were dealt or fold.

[vak_]

There is no evidence that MM takes your win rate / win streaks into account.

 

I am not a tin foil hat type but

 

I looove statements like these

[dmckay]

There is no evidence that MM takes your win rate / win streaks into account.

 

 

I looove statements like these

 

Me too!  It's called covering your azz. LOL

[Sir_Godz]

Some of it is odd stuff like time of play. Where I am from 2pm to 6 pm the play is crap. My conlcusion is that the kids who play this get a number of games in from after school and a bit after dinner. It gets better later evening and then goes sidways late night.

 

Point is there are a numbers of reasons why the play goes downhill at times. Friday night and sunday afternoons are especially bad as are tuesday evenings. That's my perception anyway. Sometimes it;s all about the tier though.

[BlottosFry]

Saying the MM has an affect on your outcome is no different than assuming:

 

#1.  The guy to your right at the blackjack table who is hitting when he shouldn't or staying when he should hit is having a net negative on your odds of getting the cards you want.

#2.  Claiming McDonalds is forcing you to gain weight.

#3.  Claiming the banks/mortgage/real estate companies told you that you could afford the house and now you're broke and homeless

 

If you are allowing the influencers in your life (media, school, your parents, friends, etc.) to indoctrinate into a adopting a very toxic thought pattern of immediately looking for external sources as the cause of your circumstances, it's going to have a very detrimental impact on your circumstances.

1.) Who knows? he might be cheating or in kahoots with the Dealer?

2.) Well they do have a pretty aggressive add campaigns...

3.) They want my money.

 

In all seriousness however, I don't think MM is "rigged" or anything. Hell, for the most part if you carry enough your team will win. Everyone gets their bad matches and others will get their good ones, it's not like "skill" from Battlefield or anything, you just get what you get and don't throw a fit.

[GUNSTAR_THE_LEGEND]

Well where most ppl want touch on it cause of all the backlash ill comment on MM.  If you have played a few thousand battles you do notice one pattern that most world of warship handbook thumpers will tell you isnt true. that is if you win several matches in a row you will get put into matches with tiers that are higher than you more often.  If you loose a lot you will tend to find yourself the higher tier in youre matches more often.  Other than that MM works as intended. 

[J30_Reinhardt]

Yes... yes it does. If you happen to be on the opposite side from me.

[CommodoreKang]

Well where most ppl want touch on it cause of all the backlash ill comment on MM.  If you have played a few thousand battles you do notice one pattern that most world of warship handbook thumpers will tell you isnt true. that is if you win several matches in a row you will get put into matches with tiers that are higher than you more often.  If you loose a lot you will tend to find yourself the higher tier in youre matches more often.  Other than that MM works as intended. 

 

Yeah there is some of that going on.  Similar thing happens when you first start playing a new ship as well though I think there's a higher threshold for that as opposed to down tiering for fun and profit.

 

But, It's not like that necessarily means anything regarding your potential to win or lose.  It's a more difficult match for you to play but your team usually has a similar tier makeup to the enemy team so from a team perspective it's the same as if you were high tier and someone else was low tier.  And in some ways you could say that something like that is necessary to ensure that all players get a roughly similar ratio of high/low tier games.

 

That said, if there is something in the MM that leans outcomes toward the 50% mark then this mechanic would probably be it.  Assuming it really does exist ofc...

[Mesrith]

So at this point I have played 310 random battles so I am getting a better hang of things. What I notice is that sometimes I simply can't do well.

 

That's because you're currently an average player.  Average players are essentially at the mercy of their team, because by definition they're no better or worse than another average player.  You'll have about the same number of good games as you will bad games, and except for your best games, you'll win or lose based on how well the rest of your team plays.

 

Fortunately, that's a good thing for you.  You're still very new to the game and are already doing better than most people with 300 games.  You should continue to improve and get much better, and you'll find that you'll have more good games than bad games, and you'll usually have a bigger impact on whether you win or not.

[xEcho]

 

That's because you're currently an average player.  Average players are essentially at the mercy of their team, because by definition they're no better or worse than another average player.  You'll have about the same number of good games as you will bad games, and except for your best games, you'll win or lose based on how well the rest of your team plays.

 

Fortunately, that's a good thing for you.  You're still very new to the game and are already doing better than most people with 300 games.  You should continue to improve and get much better, and you'll find that you'll have more good games than bad games, and you'll usually have a bigger impact on whether you win or not.

 

Quoted for truth.

[supersix15]

Saying the MM has an affect on your outcome is no different than assuming:

 

#1.  The guy to your right at the blackjack table who is hitting when he shouldn't or staying when he should hit is having a net negative on your odds of getting the cards you want.

#2.  Claiming McDonalds is forcing you to gain weight.

#3.  Claiming the banks/mortgage/real estate companies told you that you could afford the house and now you're broke and homeless

 

If you are allowing the influencers in your life (media, school, your parents, friends, etc.) to indoctrinate into a adopting a very toxic thought pattern of immediately looking for external sources as the cause of your circumstances, it's going to have a very detrimental impact on your circumstances.

 

Congratulations on getting married man.

 

World of Tanks puts all your stats into a bozo computer and spits out matchmaking they do try to keep you at 50 50 win rate  

[dahdah325]

 

 

 

World of Tanks puts all your stats into a bozo computer and spits out matchmaking they do try to keep you at 50 50 win rate  

 

No, no they don't. This has been tested a number of times, and every time there has been no evidence of MM rigging over a statistically relevant number of games. 

[xEcho]

 

Congratulations on getting married man.

 

World of Tanks puts all your stats into a bozo computer and spits out matchmaking they do try to keep you at 50 50 win rate  

 

Occams razor would suggest that between the options of 

 

A) WG for no conceivable reason would go out of their way to design a match making system designed to keep every single player at 50%, that at the same time fails to do this in every game for nearly a decade, and yet in each different game players with better measurable metrics also tend to have better win rates over the lifetime of the game.

 

or 

 

B) Bad players are bad and average players are average.

 

that B is the most likely answer.

[vak_]

If you have played a few thousand battles you do notice one pattern that most world of warship handbook thumpers will tell you isnt true. that is if you win several matches in a row you will get put into matches with tiers that are higher than you more often

 

Just confirmation bias.

 

World of Tanks puts all your stats into a bozo computer and spits out matchmaking they do try to keep you at 50 50 win rate  

 

This has not been demonstrated, to my knowledge.

[Raptor_alcor]

 

Congratulations on getting married man.

 

World of Tanks puts all your stats into a bozo computer and spits out matchmaking they do try to keep you at 50 50 win rate  

 

Well you made the claim, provide proof that'd convince a court of law, because unless you can do that I'll consider you one of the tin hatters who only repeat what they hear without the smallest shred of evidence. 

[centarina]

it has been a battle for me for last few day. even on a win, I literally have to carry the team in many of them.  (2 of the wins today  for example, and 2 others where I almost carried)   If I take kirov out, I think I am 500 anyway, but kirov has been totally cursed for me.  I was doing average dmg and survival and doing 30% WR.   I want to get to buddy, but man, kirov has been painful.   on the other side, I really like t7/8  DDing.    due to CAs, there has been less DDs and that helped.