192 [ODIN] gjflanker Members 312 posts 21,283 battles Report post #1 Posted March 27, 2016 Why does the artillery 'upgrade' for the Bogatyr result in smaller shells with less damage potential? Also, how can it be justified that this 'upgrade' results in a higher artillery rating for the ship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
977 [HINON] giovybez Members 3,381 posts 33,117 battles Report post #2 Posted March 27, 2016 Get it! Trust me it will feel like you are playing a completely different yet better ship. Then your guns will get noticeable buffs from BFT and EM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
145 Koschka Members 897 posts 7,381 battles Report post #3 Posted March 27, 2016 The guns are smaller yes and they do a little less damage with a slower rate of fire. But it also adds 1% more fire chance but far more important is the velocity of the rounds. Which goes up a noticeable amount making it much easier to hit at range and to use AP more effectively. Finally the 130mm can use the captain skills like Basic Fire Training etc which the 152mm can not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
192 [ODIN] gjflanker Members 312 posts 21,283 battles Report post #4 Posted March 27, 2016 Okay everyone, I'll get it (would've anyway ) and thanks for the quick feedback. I just hope the bottom doesn't open up and flood me to death, what with all the rust... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
272 Hurlbut ∞ Members 3,067 posts 2,554 battles Report post #5 Posted March 27, 2016 Okay everyone, I'll get it (would've anyway ) and thanks for the quick feedback. I just hope the bottom doesn't open up and flood me to death, what with all the rust... It's a "newer" gun...better gun characteristics.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,440 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,812 posts 26,863 battles Report post #6 Posted March 27, 2016 This again? No contest. I'll list the advantages of each: 152 advantages: - Better damage per shell 130 advantages: - better arc - better velocity - better AP pen - better fire chance - better ROF with BFT - better range with AFT - better traverse improvement with EM Winner by a crushing landslide: 130mm 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,108 Red_Raven_168 Alpha Tester 17,510 posts Report post #7 Posted March 27, 2016 This again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 Hans_Von_Lohman Beta Testers 576 posts 1,158 battles Report post #8 Posted March 27, 2016 The difference is like being hit in the eye socket by either a softball thrown underhand or a baseball thrown overhand. That baseball is smaller, and therefore will hurt less, right? Does that help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
656 [GUYS] TabbyHopkins Alpha Tester 2,768 posts 4,470 battles Report post #9 Posted March 27, 2016 Wait, it loses a bit or rof? Huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
181 [4TAC] Coyote720 [4TAC] Members 440 posts 18,247 battles Report post #10 Posted March 27, 2016 Wait, it loses a bit or rof? Huh. After you get the 1-point captain skill BFT, the rate is essentially the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,521 [WOLF7] awiggin Members 12,620 posts Report post #11 Posted March 27, 2016 Wait, it loses a bit or rof? Huh. A number of discussions and reviews have been done, a little more reading would have answered this for you... The guns are conveniently sized to take advantage of AFT,BFT, and EM. BFT alone makes up the ROF. (Probably the reason all the other cruisers were nerfed) The bottom line is, you'll put more shells on target with the higher velocity shells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,298 [A-D-F] alexf24 Members 7,879 posts 44,040 battles Report post #12 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Another one who does not know how to search. Please don't ask about subs next. Please? The ship gives you a choice of guns. Pick the set you like. Simple. Personally. I tried both and switch every so often. Once you research and purchase them, there is no extra cost for switching before battle. I like the 130mm more as I can use EM, BFT and AFT on them. Edited March 27, 2016 by alexf24 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
492 [STW] KTcraft Beta Testers 1,984 posts 10,616 battles Report post #13 Posted March 27, 2016 ...... Honestly, I preferred the 152mms. Yes the 130s appear better with higher velocity, better trajectory, better range after perks etc. I would put forth however that you are not going to be penetrating tier 2 and tier 3 ships (apart from tenryu) with the 130s anyway so the ap pen is somewhat moot, and while they have a higher shell velocity, the ranges you are engaging and the ships you are typically fighting really don't require a high velocity. Personally I found the bigger alpha potential of the 152a to be more useful. If I devoted time to building a 10pt+ captain for the bogatyr maybe the 130mms would be more useable to me. But I dont plan to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
272 Hurlbut ∞ Members 3,067 posts 2,554 battles Report post #14 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Honestly, I preferred the 152mms. Yes the 130s appear better with higher velocity, better trajectory, better range after perks etc. I would put forth however that you are not going to be penetrating tier 2 and tier 3 ships (apart from tenryu) with the 130s anyway so the ap pen is somewhat moot, and while they have a higher shell velocity, the ranges you are engaging and the ships you are typically fighting really don't require a high velocity. Personally I found the bigger alpha potential of the 152a to be more useful. If I devoted time to building a 10pt+ captain for the bogatyr maybe the 130mms would be more useable to me. But I dont plan to. ...... From Lert's listing of the Pros 152 advantages: - Better damage per shell 130 advantages: - better arc - better velocity - better AP pen - better fire chance ---------------------------------Skill Perks below - better ROF with BFT - better range with AFT - better traverse improvement with EM That's 4 to 1 in favor of the 130mm without factoring in gunnery skills. Flatter trajectory mean better shot placements and on weak armored ships you would be able to land citadel hits more often...aside from St. Louis. Edited March 27, 2016 by Hurlbut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
492 [STW] KTcraft Beta Testers 1,984 posts 10,616 battles Report post #15 Posted March 28, 2016 ...... From Lert's listing of the Pros 152 advantages: - Better damage per shell 130 advantages: - better arc - better velocity - better AP pen - better fire chance ---------------------------------Skill Perks below - better ROF with BFT - better range with AFT - better traverse improvement with EM That's 4 to 1 in favor of the 130mm without factoring in gunnery skills. Flatter trajectory mean better shot placements and on weak armored ships you would be able to land citadel hits more often...aside from St. Louis. The arc and velocity are moot because of the engagement ranges and the ap pen is also moot because you are largely firing at armored cruisers where you can't pen regardless or destroyers which you fire HE at anyway. Sure you might somehow get the jump on a Phoenix without him having time to run and kite, but at that range the penetration on the 152s are good enough to citadel. The range is better with AFT yes but that would require a 10 pt captain.... The traverse is faster with AFT but the ship only has 2 turrets, most of its guns are casemate, AFT benefit is not significant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
272 Hurlbut ∞ Members 3,067 posts 2,554 battles Report post #16 Posted March 29, 2016 EMT correction. And it help with keeping your guns on target when you are turning hard or get them on target faster. The arc on Bogey is really MUCH better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
