Murmansk vs Omaha

[beliy_demon]

I thought this was funny, my stats in both are nearly identical.  Who says Murmie is much better?

 

Warship	Tier	Battles	Win rate	PR	Average Damage	Avg. frags	Avg. planes destroyed
Omaha	5	28	64.29%	2 390	62 673	2.21	1.75	Details
Murmansk	5	118	65.25%	2 272	62 899	1.86	1.69

[Ace_04]

If not objectively, Murmansk definitely feels better.

[awiggin]

I thought this was funny, my stats in both are nearly identical.  Who says Murmie is much better?

 

Warship	Tier	Battles	Win rate	PR	Average Damage	Avg. frags	Avg. planes destroyed
Omaha	5	28	64.29%	2 390	62 673	2.21	1.75	Details
Murmansk	5	118	65.25%	2 272	62 899	1.86	1.69

 

28 battles in the Omaha is hardly definitive...

Long term server numbers favor the Murmansk, your mileage may vary...

[Sinboto]

Yeah the murmansk is better by much. 

[beliy_demon]

Long term server numbers favor the Murmansk, your mileage may vary...

 

If all things are equal, i.e. skill, the ships perform equally.     Case in point stats above.   I got Omaha after Murmansk, same skills & tactics apply to both.

[imweasel]

 

If all things are equal, i.e. skill, the ships perform equally.     Case in point stats above.   I got Omaha after Murmansk, same skills & tactics apply to both.

 

play 100 games straight in the omaha before playing another murmansk game. Then come back. Your sample size is to small in the omaha.

[Smelly_Elvis]

 

If all things are equal, i.e. skill, the ships perform equally.     Case in point stats above.   I got Omaha after Murmansk, same skills & tactics apply to both.

 

Well you said it... Your learning curve came in the Murmansk. I am sure it took some time to get used to it and once you did switching to the Omaha would be easy.

You paid your dues in the Murmansk.  ;)

[beliy_demon]

 

play 100 games straight in the omaha before playing another murmansk game. Then come back. Your sample size is to small in the omaha.

 

Oh I've played plenty of Omaha top hull  Same hull, same guns, same range.

[eblingus]

Didn't one or both of those ships get a buff or nerf recently?  That may impact the relative stats, especially if your 100 games as Murmask goes back a ways.

[beliy_demon]

Didn't one or both of those ships get a buff or nerf recently?  That may impact the relative stats, especially if your 100 games as Murmask goes back a ways.

 

Both got nerfed.

[Ditos]

 

Both got nerfed.

 

no they dont

[beliy_demon]

 

no they dont didn't

 

AFT & BFT nerf hit both equally.

[BGrey]

My Marblehead and Murmansk stats are similar, is Marblehead as good as Murmansk? Obviously not. This sort of comparison really doesn't prove anything.

[beliy_demon]

My Marblehead and Murmansk stats are similar, is Marblehead as good as Murmansk? Obviously not. This sort of comparison really doesn't prove anything.

 

They have the same skill ceiling

[HKRevolutionOfOurTime]

Murmansk IS objectively better. It noticeably handles better, has the unnerfed AP krupp, and has the 8km torps. #BecauseRUSSIA

[CS_Raston]

The edge goes to the Murmansk with the best torps of the group.

[beliy_demon]

The edge goes to the Murmansk with the best torps of the group.

 

For a gunboat cruiser torps are rather irrelevant.   At the end of the day, they are pretty much equal in hands of a good player.

[Carl_the_Cuttlefish]

Lol, your a goof. If you stick better equipment on one ship than the other, then claim the two are equal, you have mental delusions. One is objectively better, Murmansk, which is an Omaha with buffed equipment for the purpose of selling it easier. 

[Gabriel_LXIX]

I thought this was funny, my stats in both are nearly identical.  Who says Murmie is much better?

 

Warship	Tier	Battles	Win rate	PR	Average Damage	Avg. frags	Avg. planes destroyed
Omaha	5	28	64.29%	2 390	62 673	2.21	1.75	Details
Murmansk	5	118	65.25%	2 272	62 899	1.86	1.69

 

 

"my stats"

 

so it's literally nothing 

[CAPT_Rob]

 

For a gunboat cruiser torps are rather irrelevant.   At the end of the day, they are pretty much equal in hands of a good player.

 

Agreed.  Murmansk is one of my first ships from Open Beta days, love it but have gotten very few hits or kills using the torps though coincidentally a day or two ago I killed a New Mexico using them in one of those "oh crap save my butt!" moments.  

 

Though fast and handy she makes a poor destroyer because she's about as stealthy as a truck.  That said, I like her.  She does make a good destroyer hunter and with the plane makes a good scout.  And she can be a pain in the stern sheets to the enemy team.  

[dust340man]

I have them both and prefer the Murmansk due to the torps, camo and spotter plain.I think it's a little sexier too. lol Still I think the Omaha is a good Tier V cruiser better than the Furutaco due to the slow firing of it's guns.

[KuatYards]

Both are very nice ships, absolutely loved my Omaha (regularly beating P-Cola's in close range gun duels)

 

Picked up Omaha because I wanted a premium version of that and... that's exactly what it is. Only differences being spotter plane (17km range for 90s once every 6 minutes), 8km torps, and noticably better rudder shift.

 

Besides that they're the same ship, so yes, they would preform more or less the exact same.

[crzyhawk]

except the Murmansk is better in nearly every measurable way.

[beliy_demon]

except the Murmansk is better in nearly every measurable way.

 

Same guns, same health, what other measurable way that actually matters?

[ForgMaxtor]

 

Same guns, same health, what other measurable way that actually matters?

 

The differences are admittedly minor, but I do think they are "measurable".

 

Personally, I find the Murmansk's spotter plane more useful than the Omaha's catapult fighter.  Not that cat fighters are useless by any means, but that spotter plane is just great for e.g., lighting up BBs early in the match, and it's very difficult for BBs to respond because you're fast and maneuverable enough that you're very difficult to hit at >15km range.

 

Which brings in the rudder shift.  Omaha's ain't bad for a cruiser, but the Murmansk's is DD-leveI good.  IME, this is great for two reasons.  First, the Omaha-class in general are good DD hunters, but killing DDs often requires moving in close to keep the DD spotted. The fast rudder shift can be a big help when your intended quarry fires a spread of torps down your throat as you close in.

 

Second, the faster rudder shift synergizes with the improved torps -- you have to show broadside to fire the torps, but this is risky in a thin-skinned cruiser.  Faster rudder shift lets you turn broadside to fire your torps and then quickly shift back to bow-on aspect, or even shift all the way over to your other side to fire off your second set of torps at the same target if you're feeling especially brave.  Situational, but definitely a measurable advantage, IME.