Mikhail Kutuzov - Laser Guns?

[The_Moe]

I've been watching all of Noster's Russian cruiser videos, and one common theme in the latter tiers is a high-velocity shell and less of an arc. For those who have played with the Kutuzov, I'm wondering if she also exhibits the same gun characteristics, or are her shots more like the Cleveland.  I'll also look to see if Littlewhitemouse has a review of it. Thank you.

[10T0nHammer]

Yep, same lasers as the rest of the VMF CL line.

[yUPPatriots]

Well for over $50 bucks for a ship you would think we would get something more advanced

 

 

 

+1 to moe for being you

[The_Moe]

Yep, same lasers as the rest of the VMF CL line.

 

Thank you.

 

I found this under Littlewhitemouses's review:

 

-->Shell flight time isn't punitive like on the Cleveland, being closer to the Mogami.

-->I do prefer the Atago to the Mikhail Kutuzov as far as tier 8 premiums go and I find the IJN Heavy Cruiser to be a better (but different) purchase.

 

Can anyone with both ships comment? Thank you.

[The_Moe]

Well for over $50 bucks for a ship you would think we would get something more advanced

 

 

 

+1 to moe for being you

 

LOL! That's coming in WOWS 2050.

 

Edit: You know this shiop will be 70% co-op and 30% PVP.

[VG_Kairos]

It's shell velocity is very close to IJN cruisers. Faster than USN lines, but slower than BB/Zao/T8-10 German CA.

[MrDeaf]

Closer to laser.

 

hitting DDs at 12km is not a huge issue.

If you get good at judging lead, 15km is possible.

I've even hit Bensons out to 17km, but he wasn't weaving, like he should have.

 

[The_Moe]

Closer to laser.

 

hitting DDs at 12km is not a huge issue.

If you get good at judging lead, 15km is possible.

I've even hit Bensons out to 17km, but he wasn't weaving, like he should have.

 

 

Wow!

[Eisennagel]

 

 

You get to experience these guns starting with the Buddy cruiser at Tier 6.

[Hurlbut]

She has smoke. She has decent AA. She has the charactertics of being a decent escort/support ship. You don't want to go and bash in a battleship's face; he will just shrug it off and bash you back. You focus on the AA and the destroyers/cruisers when you can, helping the battleships eliminate those threats and harass other battleships when they're not looking at you.

[El_Judarino]

-->I do prefer the Atago to the Mikhail Kutuzov as far as tier 8 premiums go and I find the IJN Heavy Cruiser to be a better (but different) purchase.

 

Can anyone with both ships comment? Thank you.

 

I'll take a shot.

 

I like both, but they're quite different. Atago  (my autocorrect keeps calling it Aragorn lol) is the kind of ship that you can solo warrior in. Unless you get deleted by a devastating cit-strike, the heal will help you hang around, max stealth is around 9.3 with all upgrades and the combination of good torpedoes and 8" guns will give you a fair chance against any opponent in the late game. It should be noted that Atago's middling AA and slowish reload speed do limit it's escort capabilities. 

 

MK is an excellent support ship. Possibly the ideal support ship. It has ludicrous AA potential  (and most of it is focused on the long range DP guns ) for escorting,  those sweet fast firing laser guns for DD deletion and torps that, while not likely to get many kills, are just about perfect for chasing a smoked DD out of his cloud. MK's only "failing" is it lacks the stealth & alpha strike potential  (and to a degree the durability ) that Atago has to do something "miraculous" in the late game in a losing side. 

 

In short, Atago can singlehandedly save the day, MK can make it less likely that the day needs saving.

 

So, it really comes down to playstyle preference, I can say, I do not regret buying either.

[MrDeaf]

 

I'll take a shot.

 

I like both, but they're quite different. Atago  (my autocorrect keeps calling it Aragorn lol) is the kind of ship that you can solo warrior in. Unless you get deleted by a devastating cit-strike, the heal will help you hang around, max stealth is around 9.3 with all upgrades and the combination of good torpedoes and 8" guns will give you a fair chance against any opponent in the late game. It should be noted that Atago's middling AA and slowish reload speed do limit it's escort capabilities. 

 

MK is an excellent support ship. Possibly the ideal support ship. It has ludicrous AA potential  (and most of it is focused on the long range DP guns ) for escorting,  those sweet fast firing laser guns for DD deletion and torps that, while not likely to get many kills, are just about perfect for chasing a smoked DD out of his cloud. MK's only "failing" is it lacks the stealth & alpha strike potential  (and to a degree the durability ) that Atago has to do something "miraculous" in the late game in a losing side. 

 

In short, Atago can singlehandedly save the day, MK can make it less likely that the day needs saving.

 

So, it really comes down to playstyle preference, I can say, I do not regret buying either.

 

spot on.

 

The only thing I would add, is that Kutuzov is truly unique in T8, where as Atago's gaming experience is similar with Myoko/Mogami/Ibuki.

[Prail47t]

 

I'll take a shot.

 

I like both, but they're quite different. Atago  (my autocorrect keeps calling it Aragorn lol) is the kind of ship that you can solo warrior in. Unless you get deleted by a devastating cit-strike, the heal will help you hang around, max stealth is around 9.3 with all upgrades and the combination of good torpedoes and 8" guns will give you a fair chance against any opponent in the late game. It should be noted that Atago's middling AA and slowish reload speed do limit it's escort capabilities. 

 

MK is an excellent support ship. Possibly the ideal support ship. It has ludicrous AA potential  (and most of it is focused on the long range DP guns ) for escorting,  those sweet fast firing laser guns for DD deletion and torps that, while not likely to get many kills, are just about perfect for chasing a smoked DD out of his cloud. MK's only "failing" is it lacks the stealth & alpha strike potential  (and to a degree the durability ) that Atago has to do something "miraculous" in the late game in a losing side. 

 

In short, Atago can singlehandedly save the day, MK can make it less likely that the day needs saving.

 

So, it really comes down to playstyle preference, I can say, I do not regret buying either.

 

 

I have both now and feel like the Atago is the superior ship. Gun velocity is the same, but the HE is really disappointing on the Kuztov. So many hits for zero damage.

 

Cant say I'm impressed with its AA either... Why do people sing its praises AA wise?

[The_Moe]

 

 

I have both now and feel like the Atago is the superior ship. Gun velocity is the same, but the HE is really disappointing on the Kuztov. So many hits for zero damage.

 

Cant say I'm impressed with its AA either... Why do people sing its praises AA wise?

 

Thank you. I am watching Noster play the MK now, and I notice he's using AP as much as possible. Wow. Would have thought the MK would be more of a firestarter. Thank you.

[The_Moe]

BTW, I assume the camo is standard -3% detection and +50% exp. Is that correct?

 

Edit: I just found a thread that mentions -4% accuracy and +50% exp.

[yUPPatriots]

1st thread where everyone has a +1.  We're starting a new trend.

 

 

[MrDeaf]

 

Thank you. I am watching Noster play the MK now, and I notice he's using AP as much as possible. Wow. Would have thought the MK would be more of a firestarter. Thank you.

 

Kutuzov becomes a good fire starter with demolition expert, but without it, it's not super effective.

[The_Moe]

1st thread where everyone has a +1.  We're starting a new trend.

 

 

 

All the threads I start have the same characteristics, in regards to helpful answers. I usually run out of +1's after a while, but then WG fills me back up. It's only fair to reward those who help make my gameplay more enjoyable. Most people on the forum I run into are quite helpful.

[The_Moe]

 

Kutuzov becomes a good fire starter with demolition expert, but without it, it's not super effective.

 

Thank you. I just read some stats indicating you can get the fire up to 15% with DE, and 16% or so with one of those "fire" flags. That's still lower than the stock Atago, but it is a bit appealing.

[10T0nHammer]

It's shell velocity is very close to IJN cruisers. Faster than USN lines, but slower than BB/Zao/T8-10 German CA.

 

Actually the Mikhail has a shell velocity of 950m/s like the rest of the VMF CLs while the Hindenburg gets 925m/s and Zao gets 920m/s (lol DM with its 762m/s) . Of course the other lines fire 203s while most of the VMF CL line fire 152s so they lose energy faster. They are still fast enough, great RPM and shell arc, to nuke DDs quite easily and I think these will be the best anti DD cruisers in the game.

 

 

Thank you. I just read some stats indicating you can get the fire up to 15% with DE, and 16% or so with one of those "fire" flags. That's still lower than the stock Atago, but it is a bit appealing.

You are better off using AP. The high velocity guns means you will hit very hard. 5-7k salvos on BBs are normal and you can citadel pretty much any cruiser at 12km long as you are a good shot.

[TenguBlade]

As somebody who deals with both Mikhail Kutuzov and Atago in multiple classes, I will say this much: I am more scared of a Mikhail Kutuzov in any of them, especially carrier.  Atago's AA is not that great, and her torpedoes are easily avoidable even in battleship as long as you don't sail in a straight line or get too close (which you shouldn't be doing to anyone at those tiers).  The HE shells are annoying, but Atago's slower rate of fire and need to constantly wiggle, combined with poorer turret arcs, means that you can exploit the tendency of Atago captains to want a full broadside, i.e. it makes their maneuvering and firing timing predictable.

 

Mikhail Kutuzov has no such exploitable weaknesses.  Yes, she's more fragile and less maneuverable than Atago, but the massive range advantage means I'll be peppered with shells for days before I spot her let alone get close enough to inflict any sensible damage, and the AA beats even T10 planes silly.  Kutuzov's turrets also have much better arcs of fire, meaning that she needs to expose very little of herself compared to Atago for a full broadside.  On top of that, she can hide herself with smoke; unless she sit still inside the smokescreen, it will be nigh-impossible to accurately fire back based on the origin of her shells, while she can both fire back with impunity and use the smokescreen as cover to launch torpedoes.

[yUPPatriots]

del

[Batwingsix]

BTW, I assume the camo is standard -3% detection and +50% exp. Is that correct?

 

Edit: I just found a thread that mentions -4% accuracy and +50% exp.

 

It is -3 detect -4 accuracy now. They changed all premium camo to combine both

[The_Moe]

Great work, folks. Thanks for all the info. I'm going to purchase her from the premium shop! See you on the high seas.

[Cruiser_Senjo]

Great work, folks. Thanks for all the info. I'm going to purchase her from the premium shop! See you on the high seas.

 

u really buy it ? can u say its good ? ... my wallet its saying buy it god dammit but ... asdasdasd