Meaningful namesakes given for the Imperial Russian cruisers

[Xero_Snake]

I learned the meanings of the namesakes given for the Czarist Russian cruisers - Tier II to IV, and I'm impressed of how WG presented the cruiser line in terms of tier progression:

 

Novik - teenage noble draft into the military or the Cossack, literally a novice

Bogatyr - knight-errant / knight or warrior

Svetlana - saint or enlightened for "Svet"

 

And here it goes like this:

When you beginning work into the cruiser line after Orlan, you start with Novik as a novice or an initiate of the commander career in the cruiser line. As you progresses your greenhorn career within a short period of time in "real-time battlefield training", it'll be only a matter of time until you finally get Bogatyr - promoted to the rank of a knight. Then, after times of your venerable service, you eventually "ascended" as a saint when you got yourself a Svetlana, literally.

 

Interesting, isn't it?

[Mordalen]

[Wolcott]

Don't forget the Pallada class cruisers. All three were named after Roman goddesses.

[FuyuzuKii]

Ah, it's lovely finding all these little hidden messages in linguistics. 

[Xero_Snake]

Ah, it's lovely finding all these little hidden messages in linguistics. 

 

Indeed, they are.

 

I can see the reason why they chose Novik for Tier II.

 

Don't forget the Pallada class cruisers. All three were named after Roman goddesses.

 

Nice! Glad to know - especially the Pallada turned out to be associated with Athena herself.

[StrykerNC]

Stolichnaya means "Capitol City"...

 

Wait... what?   That's on topic isn't it?

[Khafni]

Budyonny is a Russian  breed of horse named after the Soviet revolutionary calvary commander, Marshal Budyonny. Not sure howbthat fits the pattern though...

 

I could not find the meaning of the name. Half (4) of the people in the US with that name live in Hawaii.

[Guest ArdRaeiss]

Svetlana - saint or enlightened for "Svet"

Svetlana is the female name, the ship was named after this protected cruiser that died in the Battle of Tsushima. As for the name itself - it's currently unknown when exactly it was used for the first time(somewhere in the XIX Century) and what it was based on, but it sound the same as "Svet"(Russian "Light").

[Xero_Snake]

Svetlana is the female name, the ship was named after this protected cruiser that died in the Battle of Tsushima. As for the name itself - it's currently unknown when exactly it was used for the first time(somewhere in the XIX Century) and what it was based on, but it sound the same as "Svet"(Russian "Light").

 

Indeed I do understand Svetlana is a feminine name, and it's commonly given to numerous Slavic females - Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Kazakh etc. Which is why I nicknamed Svetlana as "Sweet Lana".

 

Well it might came from "St. Lana" or something?

 

"Svet" has a lot of meanings, as far as I came across.

 

 

[FuyuzuKii]

Svetlana is the female name, the ship was named after this protected cruiser that died in the Battle of Tsushima. As for the name itself - it's currently unknown when exactly it was used for the first time(somewhere in the XIX Century) and what it was based on, but it sound the same as "Svet"(Russian "Light").

 

First light cruiser.... named Svetlana.... god that's about as creative as the Royal Navy, and half their ships were named after cool-sounding adjectivs 

[1Sherman]

The term Czar is actually the closest thing to Caesar, the Roman name fro the emperor. 

[dmckay]

Off topic kinda but why is Russia "Mother Russia" and Germany is "The Fatherland".  One is feminine and the other masculine. Expert needed!

[Khafni]

Svetlana is the female name, the ship was named after this protected cruiser that died in the Battle of Tsushima. As for the name itself - it's currently unknown when exactly it was used for the first time(somewhere in the XIX Century) and what it was based on, but it sound the same as "Svet"(Russian "Light").

 

What's the chance we could get an "official" list of the Russian/Soviet ship names' meanings and sources?

[Xero_Snake]

Budyonny is a Russian  breed of horse named after the Soviet revolutionary calvary commander, Marshal Budyonny. Not sure howbthat fits the pattern though...

 

I could not find the meaning of the name. Half (4) of the people in the US with that name live in Hawaii.

 

As for the Soviet-era cruiser namesakes, it was named after a prominent Bolshevik figureheads - during Stalin period in 30's to early 50's.

 

Tier V - Sergey Kirov (a prominent Bolshevik leader later seen defiant by Stalin's regime)

Tier VI - Semyon Budyonny (a famed cavalryman and Stalin's closest ally became Marshal of the Red Army who later seen defiant by Stalin's regime, but patronized by Stalin himself in spite of being branded as a scapegoat to the Operation Barbarossa disaster)

Tier VII - Nikolay Shchors (a fallen prominent Red Army commander fought in the civil war in Ukraine)

Tier VIII - Vasily Chapayev (a fallen prominent Red Army commander died in the Revolution in Ukraine)

 

And there was Sverdlov-class in which Mikhail Kutuzov came from, named after Yakov Sverdlov - a prominent Bolshevik chairman who died in illness.

 

At those times, those namesakes given were somewhat less appealing other than remembering the fallen and living Bolshevik heroes who fought the Revolution. Until in between the late-30s and early-40s, Stalin decided to allow shipbuilders to open up for Czarist distinguished figureheads (legendary figures, distinguished admirals and marshals etc.) to be named on newer ships.

[betazmag]

Off topic kinda but why is Russia "Mother Russia" and Germany is "The Fatherland".  One is feminine and the other masculine. Expert needed!

 

The Nazi propaganda war machine did this on purpose to antagonize Russia, a jab if you will sir.

[Xero_Snake]

 

First light cruiser.... named Svetlana.... god that's about as creative as the Royal Navy, and half their ships were named after cool-sounding adjectivs 

 

So as their destroyers. Some could be sound badass.

[dmckay]

 

The Nazi propaganda war machine did this on purpose to antagonize Russia, a jab if you will sir.

 

With due respect I think you are incorrect on this.  To my knowledge these names were used long before the Nazi's.

[FuyuzuKii]

The term Czar is actually the closest thing to Caesar, the Roman name fro the emperor. 

 

This originates from the First Tsar (Czar) Of All Russias, Ivan IV Vasilyevich (also known as Ivan the Terrible), who made the term Tsar claiming that he was of the same blood as the Roman leader Julius Caesar, as how ancient your lineage was was considered very important in medieval Russia. Of course, he was fibbing.

[thegamefilmguruman]

 

With due respect I think you are incorrect on this.  To my knowledge these names were used long before the Nazi's.

 

Indeed.  The Russians often refer to Russia as Родина, or "motherland." 

[Sir_Apocolypse]

Even though I don't think it is totally correct....I do have to get a chuckle out of how the "father"land screws over the "mother"land until the "father"land passes out and the "mother"land cracks the "father"land with an iron skillet.....(yeah, I might not be right in the head this am...).

[dmckay]

Even though I don't think it is totally correct....I do have to get a chuckle out of how the "father"land screws over the "mother"land until the "father"land passes out and the "mother"land cracks the "father"land with an iron skillet.....(yeah, I might not be right in the head this am...).

 

Ha.  Ya I do think the Austrian corporal led the Fatherland into a situation with the Motherland and bit off a tad more than he could chew. Mother kinda said, "He wants it he gets it".

[Moksie]

 

Indeed I do understand Svetlana is a feminine name, and it's commonly given to numerous Slavic females - Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Kazakh etc. Which is why I nicknamed Svetlana as "Sweet Lana".

 

Well it might came from "St. Lana" or something?

 

"Svet" has a lot of meanings, as far as I came across.

 

 

 

​'Sunshine' with the concept of the sun in a religious context.

[meat2]

I learned the meanings of the namesakes given for the Czarist Russian cruisers - Tier II to IV, and I'm impressed of how WG presented the cruiser line in terms of tier progression:

 

Novik - teenage noble draft into the military or the Cossack, literally a novice

Bogatyr - knight-errant / knight or warrior

Svetlana - saint or enlightened for "Svet"

 

And here it goes like this:

When you beginning work into the cruiser line after Orlan, you start with Novik as a novice or an initiate of the commander career in the cruiser line. As you progresses your greenhorn career within a short period of time in "real-time battlefield training", it'll be only a matter of time until you finally get Bogatyr - promoted to the rank of a knight. Then, after times of your venerable service, you eventually "ascended" as a saint when you got yourself a Svetlana, literally.

 

Interesting, isn't it?

 

Noviks were not Cossacks, Novik is the term for novices in the noble servicemen, Cossacks were commoners.

Also Bogatyr is not a knight, it means more of a "folk hero". The word for knight is Vitiaz(витязь), by the way one of the Bogatyr class cruisers had the name Vitiaz, sadly it was lost in an accidental fire during construction.

[Xero_Snake]

Noviks were not Cossacks, Novik is the term for novices in the noble servicemen, Cossacks were commoners.

Also Bogatyr is not a knight, it means more of a "folk hero". The word for knight is Vitiaz(витязь), by the way one of the Bogatyr class cruisers had the name Vitiaz, sadly it was lost in an accidental fire during construction.

 

Well, not really being specific on my words as I should have noted that it might go either ways.

 

Bogatyr is a their knight-errant equivalent to the Western Europe ones.

[meat2]

Off topic kinda but why is Russia "Mother Russia" and Germany is "The Fatherland".  One is feminine and the other masculine. Expert needed!

 

Russia can also be called Отечество (fatherland) by the Russians, it has been called that during the tsars. Mother Russia is a mistranslation of Родина.