After about 6 months of playing

[OscarMike_]

I realize some will bash/nerd rage after I say this.  Call me a whiner or complainer, say I dont post valuable posts etc, but I honestly don't care.  This is my opinion based on experience thus far.  Take it or leave it

 

IJN is better at everything than USN.  The only thing I havent spent a whole lot of time in on the IJN side is the CV side, obviously I have played against IJN CVs in my CVs, but I will leave CV discussion for another time.  As far as BBs and CA/CLs and DDs go though, IJN owns.  Currently I am up to Iowa in USN and up to Konga in IJN, but so far I love the IJN BBs. They are faster, more meunuverable and have great range and artillery.  They also seem to have better secondaries, especially once you get up to Yamato.  Without going into grave detail on the experience, the overall feel is dominate to USN BBs.  In terms of CA/CL discussion I am up to the furutaka IJN and New Orleans USN, and thus far the IJN cruisers feel tougher than their USN counterpart.  IJN can take a beating if angled slightly and even straight from the side it seems to handle rounds decently.  The firestarting capability is unreal in the Cruiser side, this is super fun for annoying other people who hate fires.  Consider the low detection range already + upgrade it with camo and talents and youve got yourself a large DD with super laser beam guns.  Cruisers, like the BBs are also faster and win in the mobility section, they also have great torpedos!  Finally, the DDs are super exciting to play if you really enjoy the stealthy game and like staying back and just lobbing torps at people.  I do that when i feel like taking it easy in games, it can be fun playing like a ninja.

 

 

Exceptions:

USN slightly wins AA (IF, big IF, there is a CV in game).  However in terms of USN vs IJN cruisers, it honestly is such a minute difference, it doesnt make a difference.  From my experience playing CVs, when attacking IJN or USN cruisers the results are similar.  The fighter plane + rapid AA fire consumable has the same effect.  So this theory on USN having ungodly dominate AA is slightly over rated.

 

Misunderstandings:

USN BBs are best brawlers.  This is true in certain regards, but not 100% accurate.  In the rare event that you find yourself within 5-7km of another BB, the USN will do alright.  But again, similar to the US AA rocks comparison, is this a typical and repeated occasion?  In some regards, maybe, possibly, but really and truly not usually.  Sure, there are those occassional games that the USN gets in close because 2 BBs wanna knife fight, but that is honestly an event that doesn't often take place.

USN Ships in general are tougher.  Odd, I havent noticed that, but maybe im brain dead.

 

So far I am really enjoying the IJN line and like I said these are just bits and pieces of things i have noticed.  I have probably left some areas out due to forgetfulness, so please add your thoughts!

 

[AspiringCodger]

I'd have to agree that the IJN lines feel superior in nearly every way.

 

EDIT:  Looking at my stats, I actually typically do better in US DDs, but the IJN ones still feel better. 

[Red_Raven_168]

This is my opinion based on experience thus far. 

 

 

thank you for sharing

[OscarMike_]

What is really fun, is my Kongo and im assuming my Fuso will be the same way.  Even without the range upgrade I can simply out range the USN BBs and kite them around lol

[AspiringCodger]

The Kongo and Fuso are both very good.  I think I prefer the Fuso though.  I liked it right out of the gate whereas I felt the need to put equipment on the Kongo after one game.

[Batwingsix]

As was stated in another thread yesterday I believe... IJN ships are treated like sacred cows. If there is a nerf inbound, the sky starts falling because players want them to be on this ungodly high throne. Talk about buffing US ships, it gets shot down. Look at what happened with the announcement of the RU line. Fast firing light cruisers (who could possibly be a strong counter to IJN since the US is a flop) and the world starts ending because of paper ship designs. In all the IJN ships are a better choice if you like stealthy torpedo cruisers and flame-throwing guns, long range fast battleships, and 20km torp spam end game. US Ships have far superior AA (until the RU line), it is all up to the captain skills, KM has the AP, and IJN has... HE, Torpedoes, Stealth..

[Koschka]

While to a point I agree with you on cruisers OP, I do think the US have the better cruisers at tiers 3, 5, and 6. With BB's it is a different play style, I do better at almost every tier with the USN BB's personally. I think the BB's are fairly balanced all and all, least up to tier 7 which is as high as I got in the IJN BB's so far, up to tier 8 in the USN BB's, as for DD's they just play completely different I don't think one is better than the other. Though depending on the play style you like, you might enjoy one of them better than the other. I am up to tier 8 in both DD lines. CV's I have not played enough to have a opinion.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

I realize some will bash/nerd rage after I say this.  Call me a whiner or complainer, say I dont post valuable posts etc, but I honestly don't care.  This is my opinion based on experience thus far.  Take it or leave it

 

IJN is better at everything than USN.  The only thing I havent spent a whole lot of time in on the IJN side is the CV side, obviously I have played against IJN CVs in my CVs, but I will leave CV discussion for another time.  As far as BBs and CA/CLs and DDs go though, IJN owns.  Currently I am up to Iowa in USN and up to Konga in IJN, but so far I love the IJN BBs. They are faster, more meunuverable and have great range and artillery.  They also seem to have better secondaries, especially once you get up to Yamato.  Without going into grave detail on the experience, the overall feel is dominate to USN BBs.  In terms of CA/CL discussion I am up to the furutaka IJN and New Orleans USN, and thus far the IJN cruisers feel tougher than their USN counterpart.  IJN can take a beating if angled slightly and even straight from the side it seems to handle rounds decently.  The firestarting capability is unreal in the Cruiser side, this is super fun for annoying other people who hate fires.  Consider the low detection range already + upgrade it with camo and talents and youve got yourself a large DD with super laser beam guns.  Cruisers, like the BBs are also faster and win in the mobility section, they also have great torpedos!  Finally, the DDs are super exciting to play if you really enjoy the stealthy game and like staying back and just lobbing torps at people.  I do that when i feel like taking it easy in games, it can be fun playing like a ninja.

 

 

Exceptions:

USN slightly wins AA (IF, big IF, there is a CV in game).  However in terms of USN vs IJN cruisers, it honestly is such a minute difference, it doesnt make a difference.  From my experience playing CVs, when attacking IJN or USN cruisers the results are similar.  The fighter plane + rapid AA fire consumable has the same effect.  So this theory on USN having ungodly dominate AA is slightly over rated.

 

Misunderstandings:

USN BBs are best brawlers.  This is true in certain regards, but not 100% accurate.  In the rare event that you find yourself within 5-7km of another BB, the USN will do alright.  But again, similar to the US AA rocks comparison, is this a typical and repeated occasion?  In some regards, maybe, possibly, but really and truly not usually.  Sure, there are those occassional games that the USN gets in close because 2 BBs wanna knife fight, but that is honestly an event that doesn't often take place.

USN Ships in general are tougher.  Odd, I havent noticed that, but maybe im brain dead.

 

So far I am really enjoying the IJN line and like I said these are just bits and pieces of things i have noticed.  I have probably left some areas out due to forgetfulness, so please add your thoughts!

 

 

But Des Moises and Iowa and Midway, Essex, Lex, Ranger etc

[OscarMike_]

While to a point I agree with you on cruisers OP, I do think the US have the better cruisers at tiers 3, 5, and 6. With BB's it is a different play style, I do better at almost every tier with the USN BB's personally. I think the BB's are fairly balanced all and all, least up to tier 7 which is as high as I got in the IJN BB's so far, up to tier 8 in the USN BB's, as for DD's they just play completely different I don't think one is better than the other. Though depending on the play style you like, you might enjoy one of them better than the other. I am up to tier 8 in both DD lines. CV's I have not played enough to have a opinion.

 

That is kind of my point.  Playstyle reasoning might work for the "fun" factor, but in terms of competative/balance its irrelavent.

 

For example the USN strength may be to knife fight, but on the other end the IJN strength may be speed and mobility for avoidance.  Why in the world would any smart IJN BB player, play on the USN players terms and go in close?  You get what im saying?  The USN "so called" bonuses are only good in certain situations, where as the IJN is always viable regardless of the situation.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

But Des Moises and Iowa and Midway, Essex, Lex, Ranger etc

 

You put the DM as an example of a good US ship when it goes against the Zao?

 

	Zao	10	Cruiser	Japan	5,348	54%	72,256	1.0	2.6
	Des Moines	10	Cruiser	USA	4,598	53%	58,517	0.9	6.8

 

 US CVs are good? 

 

Icon	Type	Nation	Battles	WR%	Damage	Frags	Aircr Fr
		12345678910	DDCA/CLBBCV	JapanUSAUSSRUKGermanyPoland
	Hakuryu	10	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	1,105	56%	84,285	1.5	26.2
	Midway	10	Aircraft Carrier	USA	1,021	46%	87,336	1.2	29.7
	Taiho	9	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	2,147	53%	72,551	1.1	19.2
	Essex	9	Aircraft Carrier	USA	2,725	47%	65,338	0.9	25.0
	Shokaku	8	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	6,814	54%	56,375	1.0	18.9
	Lexington	8	Aircraft Carrier	USA	11,836	49%	52,131	0.9	16.6
	Hiryu	7	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	12,546	55%	47,392	0.9	17.6
	Ranger	7	Aircraft Carrier	USA	20,751	49%	38,492	0.7	16.4

 

 

 

 

[OscarMike_]

 

But Des Moises and Iowa and Midway, Essex, Lex, Ranger etc

 

Yes I like the DM, seems like a good ship.  You named 1 USN cruiser that you thought was good out of 10.  Even still, im sure many here would say Zao is better?

 

Iowa, yes, i have it, super fun ship.  Dont have the Montana, but i see the complaints and I see them get rekt so quick lol.  Yamato is a tank.

 

Midway and Essex, played both, SUPER fun CVs.  have you Ever played an essex or Midway agianst a fighter loadout IJN?  It can be a headache.  What does IJN got like 3 fighter squads, 2 torp squads, 2 bomb squads?  How is a strike Essex or Midway suppose to deal with that? Fighter loadout is only choice.  I have played those games and yea, its not a lost cause for USN there, but it definately isnt in the USN favor.  A strike loudout USN has 1 fighter, and we gotta keep up with your fighter loadout of 3/2/2.  Basically to compete with that USN needs to run fighter loadout and even still thats lopsided lol.

 

Besides tier 10 queus are so rediculuous right now, I dont wait 5+ minutes to play it anymore.

[Kingfishercritic]

From what I've seen, its not so much that American ships are entirely underpowered (though their destroyers could use a rebalance at some tiers), its that the way they are implemented. For instance American battleships are quite good at some tiers, but as they are slower, they require more predictive play than the Japanese battleships.   I think its mostly an issue of the American ships having decent stats, but not really lining up so well with the meta. Most nations specialize in certain things for certain types of ships, where as the USN ships are more generalists.

[Fog_Carrier_Kaga_]

 

But Des Moises and Iowa and Midway, Essex, Lex, Ranger etc

You shouldn't talk Tako. You're bad in everything

 

In all seriousness though it's really dependant on tier. I like my New Mexico just as much as my Fuso, and I've heard nothing but good things about the North Carolina (granted the Amagi is better, but the Amagi is also better than the tier 9 Izumo). Cruisers I can't comment on as much since I've only played up to tier 6 on US line and tier 7 on IJN, but it's seemed like it trades blows so far. St. Louis better than tenryuu, kuma better than Phoenix, Omaha better than furutaka, Cleveland better than aoba, and myoko better than the pepsi

[alexf24]

I have played up to Mogami (pre-nerf, then sold), and currently have Myoko and Atago.

I have Colorado, and Nagato, and like USN BBs but in general the IJN BBs are better (though I own both Fuso and New Mexico and like N.M. a tad more). The IJN CAs are more well rounded. Pensacola is ok, and New Orleans I find a little better, but neither one is in my most fav list below.

 

DDs are not comparable as they are very different animals.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

 

You put the DM as an example of a good US ship when it goes against the Zao?

 

	Zao	10	Cruiser	Japan	5,348	54%	72,256	1.0	2.6
	Des Moines	10	Cruiser	USA	4,598	53%	58,517	0.9	6.8

 

 US CVs are good? 

 

Icon	Type	Nation	Battles	WR%	Damage	Frags	Aircr Fr
		12345678910	DDCA/CLBBCV	JapanUSAUSSRUKGermanyPoland
	Hakuryu	10	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	1,105	56%	84,285	1.5	26.2
	Midway	10	Aircraft Carrier	USA	1,021	46%	87,336	1.2	29.7
	Taiho	9	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	2,147	53%	72,551	1.1	19.2
	Essex	9	Aircraft Carrier	USA	2,725	47%	65,338	0.9	25.0
	Shokaku	8	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	6,814	54%	56,375	1.0	18.9
	Lexington	8	Aircraft Carrier	USA	11,836	49%	52,131	0.9	16.6
	Hiryu	7	Aircraft Carrier	Japan	12,546	55%	47,392	0.9	17.6
	Ranger	7	Aircraft Carrier	USA	20,751	49%	38,492	0.7	16.4

 

 

 

 

DM is a great ship, sad so many bad players play it, also don't throw those [edited]general stats for the ship at me, a ship is what you make of it at any rate the Midway has higher Avg damg and the others are almost equal its negligible 

 

[OscarMike_]

As ive said many times in past, If the USN BBs are suppose to be tougher, more durable and less mobile.  Then they should have a SIGNIFICANT HP bonus over their IJN counterpart.  This includes more efficient secondaries by default.

 

CA/CLs are same way,  Since USN has higher visibility (detection), no torpedos and generally less mobile than IJN they should make up for that in stamina.

 

This concept seems unheard of to WG and its blows my mind.  *mind blown*

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

As ive said many times in past, If the USN BBs are suppose to be tougher, more durable and less mobile.  Then they should have a SIGNIFICANT HP bonus over their IJN counterpart.  This includes more efficient secondaries by default.

 

CA/CLs are same way,  Since USN has higher visibility (detection), no torpedos and generally less mobile than IJN they should make up for that in stamina.

 

This concept seems unheard of to WG and its blows my mind.  *mind blown*

in general HP is based off Displacement 

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

DM is a great ship, sad so many bad players play it, also don't throw those [edited]general stats for the ship at me, a ship is what you make of it at any rate the Midway has higher Avg damg and the others are almost equal its negligible 

 

 

A ship is whatever you make it but if you start with a good ship you can do a lot more than if you start with a mediocre ship. Saying its just captain ability is just a [edited] way of excusing poor balance.

 

So a 6% win rate difference is negligible? Thats cool, obviously having an equal chance of winning is not a big deal...

[Fog_Carrier_Kaga_]

in general HP is based off Displacement 

Using that argument the Colorado should have its hp buffed. Fully upgraded Nagato beats it by like 15000, and there's only 1000 tons difference between the two displacement wise 

[aethervox]

This post appears to be one players experience and views. Many of the replies are of the same kind. Gee, we all agree to disagree and/or agree and express personal views. Good. There appears to be a 'balance' between most ships and classes in the game. Sure some are probably a little OP tho personal views are subjective (not necessarily based on objective data).

I find the worst thing in WoWS are the one sided battles due to poor play by one side or the stacking of one side with better players. We all know this happens.

Since I refuse to completely P2W then I will have to take my lumps along with the vast school of Sardines (the F2P types).

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

 

A ship is whatever you make it but if you start with a good ship you can do a lot more than if you start with a mediocre ship. Saying its just captain ability is just a [edited] way of excusing poor balance.

 

So a 6% win rate difference is negligible? Thats cool, obviously having an equal chance of winning is not a big deal...

 

you do understand that its impossible to have a equal win rate, if its greater than 9% disparity with a similar amount of battles played then its fine

[Koschka]

 

That is kind of my point.  Playstyle reasoning might work for the "fun" factor, but in terms of competative/balance its irrelavent.

 

For example the USN strength may be to knife fight, but on the other end the IJN strength may be speed and mobility for avoidance.  Why in the world would any smart IJN BB player, play on the USN players terms and go in close?  You get what im saying?  The USN "so called" bonuses are only good in certain situations, where as the IJN is always viable regardless of the situation.

 

Yes but playstyle does matter on how well you do. If you for example like to sit back and snipe then playing a brawling ship won't do as well. If your play style fits the ship you do better. Like for me, I typically do better damage, kills and wins on USN BB's and DD's both in most tiers. I can't say exactly why but I do, I do ok with the IJN as well BB's and DD's but I do better with the USN one's.

 

As for as why would a IJN BB lets a USN BB get close there is a lot of reasons it happens, use of islands to close the distance, coming from a unexpected direction when the IJN ship is occupied etc. In a straight up dual where you only have to consider the one other ship, then yes the IJN BB has the edge in speed, range and acc which if played well negates the USN BB advantage. But the game is not played in duels, there is lots going on. So while the IJN BB might want to keep the range open that is not always possible. Sometimes they are not aware of the USN BB coming in from out of their view range and no enemy is lighting that ship up so the IJN BB doesn't know the danger closing. Or sometimes you can use islands to close the distance etc.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

Using that argument the Colorado should have its hp buffed. Fully upgraded Nagato beats it by like 15000, and there's only 1000 tons difference between the two displacement wise 

 

again "in general" 

 

also of course WG's national dif......

 

[Mexicanarmada15]

Mahan, Benson, and fletcher are pretty fun for later tier dd for us. Never managed to do well with farragut (oddball thing I guess). Thinking of buying back the mahan but I have the blyskawica which is my tier 7 dd along with the kiev.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

you do understand that its impossible to have a equal win rate, if its greater than 9% disparity with a similar amount of battles played then its fine

 

Its impossible to be exactly right but it can be very close, look at the Iowa and Izumo, tier 6 CAs, or the tier 8 tech tree CAs. 

 

If you want a win rate disparity greater than 9% does that mean you are advocating USN Nerfs or IJN Buffs because currently most of the win rate differences are a lot less.