ReBalance the Marblehead

[RedSeaBear]

Hey War Gaming Dev Team

Now that AFT is off the table for cruisers the Marblehead could use a range increase. A stock Omaha has a gun range of 13.5k but can be upgraded to 14.8k. The Murmansk also has a 14.8k gun range but that ship is given a spotter plane. However the Marblehead only gets 12.7k out of its guns, has no spotter plane and will be spotted before it can return fire. Not to mention the ship has the worst AA of the three Omaha class ships. 

 

To be frank now that AFT has been change I think the Marblehead should be get the same treatment the Mikhail Kutuzov received. I would like to see the Marblehead given at least the 13.5k base gun range the Omaha gets. 

 

The Marblehead is a great little ship, makes good money and is fun but at Tier 5 she can see a lot of ships who will destroyer her from long range and there is nothing you can do to fight them. 

 

 

[Zaydin]

You forgot Wargamings unspoken rule: Anything Russian must always be top tier, even if it makes no sense.

[Kuckoo]

I wouldn't hold out any hope if I were you.

 

MK is Russian, it gets a gun range buff to compensate for the AFT nerf.  Murmansk is also "Russian", it also gets a gun range buff to compensate for the AFT nerf.

 

Marblehead is not Russian, so it will not get a gun range buff to compensate for the AFT nerf.

 

However, the Albany - which is American - gets the gun range as well as a spotting buff, but this was forced upon WG only because, obviously, a blind ship with a 6.3km gun range is utterly useless.

 

[crzyhawk]

Marblehead likely will not see anything while it's riding high on the win rate charts.

[Takeda992]

Marblehead is being given as the reward for project R on RU server. I'd imagine everyone who got it there will not accept the fact their ship got "nerfed" right after they won it.

[SystemRename_1000614738]

However, the Albany - which is American - gets the gun range as well as a spotting buff, but this was forced upon WG only because, obviously, a blind ship with a 6.3km gun range is utterly useless.

 

Albany?

 

Is that what you call the free port slot?

[Wolff_Punisher]

Marblehead retirement day

[Kuckoo]

Albany?

 

Is that what you call the free port slot?

 

No.  I never sell giveaway/contest ships.  Ever.  I already have enough empty port slots.

 

The Albany is now significantly more capable than it was originally.  Even more so with a certain 15+ point captain on board, particularly one with the Concealment Skill...

[Carrier_Taiyo]

You forgot Wargamings unspoken rule: Anything Russian must always be top tier, even if it makes no sense.

 

^ This.

 

If it's an American ship, and it isn't underperforming, it will be nerfed until it does.

[crzyhawk]

Marblehead is being given as the reward for project R on RU server. I'd imagine everyone who got it there will not accept the fact their ship got "nerfed" right after they won it.

 

Come on Russians, hook us up!  If they complain about it, maybe we'll get some love.  Until then, I think the Marblehead will be OK because mostly veteran players have it.  Of course, they might all stop playing it and just play Murmansk instead, but what can you do?

[Takeda992]

 

Come on Russians, hook us up!  If they complain about it, maybe we'll get some love.  Until then, I think the Marblehead will be OK because mostly veteran players have it.  Of course, they might all stop playing it and just play Murmansk instead, but what can you do?

 

Well, the Russians made the devs buff MK before it was released (wonder why they decided on giving it 19km range?) and it also got a smoke on top of it. 

[vak_]

The devs have stated that both the Mogami and Albani will be looked at after the patch, and if the data suggests that a buff is needed they'll act accordingly.

 

Murmansk is also "Russian", it also gets a gun range buff to compensate for the AFT nerf.

 

No, it does not. Get your facts straight.

[RedSeaBear]

Marblehead likely will not see anything while it's riding high on the win rate charts.

 

I have to wonder if the reason the Marblehead is "Riding high on the win rate chart" has to do with people giving it AFT. Which gave the ship a greater range then a fully upgraded Omaha, Murmansk or a Cleveland with out AFT. The Devs said AFT was negatively impacting the game so it stands to reason that the win rates of the Marblehead are not a valid score to hold against the ship.

I will keep the Marble and I'm sure I'll still get good games against Tier 4 and 5 ships, Not so sure how I'll do against Tier 6 and 7 ships.  

[hoom]

 Murmansk is also "Russian", it also gets a gun range buff to compensate for the AFT nerf.

 

Stop posting stupid [edited].

Murmansk got no buff.

Albany which is US, that got a big buff.

So [edited]off with your irrational Russia hate.

[crzyhawk]

 

I have to wonder if the reason the Marblehead is "Riding high on the win rate chart" has to do with people giving it AFT. Which gave the ship a greater range then a fully upgraded Omaha, Murmansk or a Cleveland with out AFT. The Devs said AFT was negatively impacting the game so it stands to reason that the win rates of the Marblehead are not a valid score to hold against the ship.

I will keep the Marble and I'm sure I'll still get good games against Tier 4 and 5 ships, Not so sure how I'll do against Tier 6 and 7 ships.  

 

I think it has more to do with the players that have it.  On our server it's mostly veterans who know what they were doing.  Put it for sale on the premium site, and watch the stats plummet.

[crzyhawk]

 

Stop posting stupid [edited].

Murmansk got no buff.

Albany which is US, that got a big buff.

So [edited]off with your irrational Russia hate.

 

To be fair, the ship's stats, such as rudder shift time are better than the Omaha's fully upgraded for no explicable reason.

[KTcraft]

 

I have to wonder if the reason the Marblehead is "Riding high on the win rate chart" has to do with people giving it AFT. Which gave the ship a greater range then a fully upgraded Omaha, Murmansk or a Cleveland with out AFT. The Devs said AFT was negatively impacting the game so it stands to reason that the win rates of the Marblehead are not a valid score to hold against the ship.

I will keep the Marble and I'm sure I'll still get good games against Tier 4 and 5 ships, Not so sure how I'll do against Tier 6 and 7 ships.  

It has more to do with the pool of players playing it.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

It's a USN premium, it's supposed to have issues. Just like the Albany, Atlanta, and sims.

[Crucis]

You forgot Wargamings unspoken rule: Anything Russian must always be top tier, even if it makes no sense.

 

^ This.

 

If it's an American ship, and it isn't underperforming, it will be nerfed until it does.

 

 

Ah, but perhaps it's been performing at this level due to players having captains with AFT!  Without AFT, I could see the Marblehead having issues, and perhaps not being played nearly as much.  Let's face it.  The loss of 20% to its gun range is a pretty serious nerf.  I realize that one could say the same for the Murmansk, but given that I own and play both, IMO, the Marblehead is much more dependent on that extra 20% range that AFT gives it than the the Murmansk, because getting the range up to 15 km seems a lot more valuable than the extra range for the Murmask, since once you start getting into the higher teens of range, hit rates seem to decline.  The mid teens for range seems to be a nice sweet spot for range, hit rates and the ability to dodge incoming fire.  But if the Marblehead is limited to only 12.7 km, I fear that it will get pummeled a LOT more often.

 

 

[Takeda992]

After Albany's buff, I don't see what are the complaints. She's gift ship just like Emden and everyone says that Dresden is better than Emden, Albany shouldn't be better than Chester with the same logic. Regardless, I don't remember the stats of any of these ships since they are so low tiered. Tier 2 is one of the least interesting tiers to play at. You don't need a fantastic ship, just a ship that can be played well enough for your skill to show and not drag you down.

[crzyhawk]

I certainly ran with AFT on MY marblehead.  My Phoenix out-ranges it without AFT.

[Crucis]

 Murmansk is also "Russian", it also gets a gun range buff to compensate for the AFT nerf.

 

Stop posting stupid [edited].

Murmansk got no buff.

Albany which is US, that got a big buff.

So [edited]off with your irrational Russia hate.

 

Give it a rest.  Pretty much everyone that plays WG games knows that there's a pretty strong Russian bias in the game.  I don't "hate" them for it, and I don't particularly rip them over it.  But to deny it that it exists seems rather silly to me.

 

And yes, the Albany got a buff.  Whoop-de-doo.  A tier 2 ship.  Honestly, I'd rather that it was that Marblehead that got buffed, since I'm far more likely to play a tier 5 than a tier 2.

[crzyhawk]

After Albany's buff, I don't see what are the complaints. She's gift ship just like Emden and everyone says that Dresden is better than Emden, Albany shouldn't be better than Chester with the same logic. Regardless, I don't remember the stats of any of these ships since they are so low tiered. Tier 2 is one of the least interesting tiers to play at. You don't need a fantastic ship, just a ship that can be played well enough for your skill to show and not drag you down.

 

We're complaining about Marblehead, not Albany.  I imagine Albany is pretty good now, I enjoyed it before with my AFT captain.

[Crucis]

After Albany's buff, I don't see what are the complaints. She's gift ship just like Emden and everyone says that Dresden is better than Emden, Albany shouldn't be better than Chester with the same logic. Regardless, I don't remember the stats of any of these ships since they are so low tiered. Tier 2 is one of the least interesting tiers to play at. You don't need a fantastic ship, just a ship that can be played well enough for your skill to show and not drag you down.

 

I largely agree with you on this.  The Emden is hardly anything spectacular, but a skilled veteran player in an Emden can still do plenty of damage and club lots of seals in it.

 

 

[Ulrik]

 

We're complaining about Marblehead, not Albany.  I imagine Albany is pretty good now, I enjoyed it before with my AFT captain.

 

Not really, the BFT & EM nerfs hit it pretty hard... The up side is that now you can see who is killing you!