405 [WOLFD] AXELGREASE Members 992 posts 7,395 battles Report post #1 Posted February 17, 2016 Totally screwed the Cleveland! I cant escort BB, because I can't shoot far enough to return fire. And I am not running a whole game hoping beyond hope there is a Carrier in game and they send planes my way. Airplanes are such crappy XP anyways I have no reason to shoot them down. I have no way to effectively combat IJN DDs with their stealth fire capabilities. Honestly it is AFT that gave the Cleveland any ability to fight at all. Just my 2 cents Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,605 [HINON] Nuk_ Beta Testers 3,931 posts 8,150 battles Report post #2 Posted February 17, 2016 Cleveland is perfectly fine without AFT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
43 Yoshiha Members 373 posts Report post #3 Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) You have a good reason to shoot airplanes down: You'll help your team. Stop thinking about you and start to thinking about the game and the team. Sorry to ignore the topic title, but saying "planes dont give me xp, i dont want to shut them down" is absurd. Edited February 18, 2016 by Saitouu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
977 [HINON] giovybez Members 3,381 posts 33,281 battles Report post #4 Posted February 17, 2016 Invest in Demolitions Expert instead. You can still put the hurting on Destroyers and Bbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15 [RS] hel0_ Members 77 posts 8,917 battles Report post #5 Posted February 17, 2016 Cleveland did not need AFT to be a force. Yes it helped but the range was still good. I play Cleveland a lot and found it a bit easy to sit and rain on NM and Warspite all day without them hitting so this somewhat brings fire back into balance. We'll see down the road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
112 Ulrik Members 376 posts 1,961 battles Report post #6 Posted February 17, 2016 Invest in Demolitions Expert instead. You can still put the hurting on Destroyers and Bbs. Not really... With the Expert Marksmen nerf you can't keep your guns on target while maneuvering any more. In order to shoot at a DD you have to sail in a straight line, and eat a bunch of torps. Frankly, BBs are now better suited to taking out DDs then CLs are. They have the hit points to absorb a torp hit without insta-gibbing, torpedo belts to reduce any damage they do take and, last but not least, magic healing potions to recover and HP they do lose. CLs get none of that and suffer from the same draw back of not being able to keep guns on target while maneuvering... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
583 QuantumEntropy Beta Testers 4,007 posts 14,539 battles Report post #7 Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) You can't shoot a dd at 15 km with that gun arc anyway and if you escort stuff , stay in their back not in front And someone said , guns are more slow now and you can't shoot a 40knots dd even at 6km from you now Now i am glad that i started playing battleships Edited February 17, 2016 by PrinzMakaay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #8 Posted February 17, 2016 My cleveland never had AFT and I average like 50k a game in that garbage scow AFT not required. It actually makes hitting things harder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
18 Sargent_Oddball_ Beta Testers 172 posts 6,958 battles Report post #9 Posted February 17, 2016 I've never had AFT on Cleveland and always did well in her. I can barely hit anything at range anyway. So I can't miss what I've never tried. I'm more concerned with the added 7 sec turning time and slightly longer reload times. The respec does open up to tier 4 and I'm considering DE. Not sure yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
168 Billy_Sastard Members 747 posts Report post #10 Posted February 17, 2016 I've played Cleveland more WITHOUT aft than with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
104 [56TH] Coyote16 [56TH] Members 310 posts Report post #11 Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Totally screwed the Cleveland! I cant escort BB, because I can't shoot far enough to return fire. And I am not running a whole game hoping beyond hope there is a Carrier in game and they send planes my way. Airplanes are such crappy XP anyways I have no reason to shoot them down. I have no way to effectively combat IJN DDs with their stealth fire capabilities. Honestly it is AFT that gave the Cleveland any ability to fight at all. Just my 2 cents LOL Just did this earlier today. Come back and try again. Edited February 17, 2016 by 56th_Karma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #12 Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) I've always been more vocal about BFT/EM nerf more than aft. AFT never really made a huge difference except for few ships with really short range. BFT is pure 10% nerf , and EM just makes it lot harder to play. they could have easily redone the stat to be net neutral, but I guess they wanted CL nerf I guess. 56th, 64 hit isn't very high number of hit for cleveland. I usually used to get 100+ on typical cleveland battle. nice job on cits though. all it means is someone was stupid. Edited February 17, 2016 by centarina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
422 [F-N-B] Argh_My_Liver Beta Testers 1,411 posts 8,485 battles Report post #13 Posted February 17, 2016 Please tell me more about how you were nailing destroyers at 15+km in a Cleveland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
583 QuantumEntropy Beta Testers 4,007 posts 14,539 battles Report post #14 Posted February 17, 2016 Please tell me more about how you were nailing destroyers at 15+km in a Cleveland. Stop copying me pleb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,288 [WOLF1] paradat Beta Testers 17,030 posts 24,979 battles Report post #15 Posted February 17, 2016 The ARC on the Cleveland is so bad AFT was not really that effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
855 Carrier_Taiyo Beta Testers 2,420 posts 1,809 battles Report post #16 Posted February 17, 2016 Totally screwed the Cleveland! I cant escort BB, because I can't shoot far enough to return fire. And I am not running a whole game hoping beyond hope there is a Carrier in game and they send planes my way. Airplanes are such crappy XP anyways I have no reason to shoot them down. I have no way to effectively combat IJN DDs with their stealth fire capabilities. Honestly it is AFT that gave the Cleveland any ability to fight at all. Just my 2 cents That wasn't quite 2 cents. More like one and a half. You owe me half a penny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,890 [-K--] vak_ Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,179 posts 10,923 battles Report post #17 Posted February 17, 2016 I have no way to effectively combat IJN DDs with their stealth fire capabilities. Wait, what? How exactly did AFT help you fight destroyers? EM screws Cleveland way harder than the AFT nerf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
51 [FUNNY] mxlm Members 288 posts 6,167 battles Report post #18 Posted February 17, 2016 My cleveland never had AFT and I average like 50k a game in that garbage scow No, you don't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #19 Posted February 18, 2016 I am an adamant believer in Demolition Expert being the better choice for Cleveland, even before 0.5.3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #20 Posted February 18, 2016 I only avg'd 34k a game when I was a noob with high survival rate (58%) I didn't have AFT and near the end, got DE instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
104 [56TH] Coyote16 [56TH] Members 310 posts Report post #21 Posted February 18, 2016 I am an adamant believer in Demolition Expert being the better choice for Cleveland, even before 0.5.3. this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,128 [VNGRD] Shadowrigger1 Members 4,536 posts 19,324 battles Report post #22 Posted February 18, 2016 Cleveland is perfectly fine without AFT. Cleveland is better off without AFT.. I am so glad We got a free respec out of it, I took AFT and cried . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 12,810 battles Report post #23 Posted February 18, 2016 I imagine I will only truly miss it on my Marblehead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
23 [FMCF] Capitan_Incognito Members 410 posts 7,940 battles Report post #24 Posted February 18, 2016 Except without AFT, your AA suffers. If you still want to bully enemy CVs you still need all the skills that you used to get, only now they don't help your guns anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,128 [VNGRD] Shadowrigger1 Members 4,536 posts 19,324 battles Report post #25 Posted February 18, 2016 Except without AFT, your AA suffers. If you still want to bully enemy CVs you still need all the skills that you used to get, only now they don't help your guns anymore. Which will make it better if you retake it. you wont have that 17 second flight time for 16 km LoL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
