Taiho should be Nerfed too.. heres why!

[anonym_QRcbBUbSjqGe]

its very difficult to face taiho agasint its two fighter squadron...and previously if u check those fughters then 2 tb can easily killed them htting avg7 torps of 12.

 

now its impossible to hit taiho with TBs..hihest 1 torps hit...

played 5 games agaisnt taiho this 4 hours... and really it is.

 

played 250 up battles with essex i know the difference well than WG devs i believe. as they didnt play this much mach with one ship..

 

really taiho gto 12 torp planes 10 bombers with 10 figters...

 

lemme know other essex players if im that wrong...

things are getting insance time to leave WOW... enough of this nerf and buff.

 

one thing they at least do either reduce taiho fighters or TBs to 12 to 8 planes in two swuad or give more survivalability to essex TBs. that would be equal.. seriously. im not being biased to essex this time.. this would be equal then...

 

SO essex players what do you think lemme know...  

[anonym_QRcbBUbSjqGe]

its very difficult to face taiho agasint its two fighter squadron...and previously if u check those fughters then 2 tb can easily killed them htting avg7 torps of 12.

 

now its impossible to hit taiho with TBs..hihest 1 torps hit...

played 5 games agaisnt taiho this 4 hours... and really it is.

 

played 250 up battles with essex i know the difference well than WG devs i believe. as they didnt play this much mach with one ship..

 

really taiho gto 12 torp planes 10 bombers with 10 figters...

 

lemme know other essex players if im that wrong...

things are getting insance time to leave WOW... enough of this nerf and buff.

 

one thing they at least do either reduce taiho fighters or TBs to 12 to 8 planes in two swuad or give more survivalability to essex TBs. that would be equal.. seriously. im not being biased to essex this time.. this would be equal then...

 

SO essex players what do you think lemme know...  

 

ignore blind Taiho players... they are against it cause they know taiho needs to be nerfed.

[Compassghost]

As someone who plays both carriers, I have been honestly doing better with one large American fighter group than two half-size groups. Nothing survives that barrage.

[anonym_QRcbBUbSjqGe]

As someone who plays both carriers, I have been honestly doing better with one large American fighter group than two half-size groups. Nothing survives that barrage.

 

here you go... you play IJN CV .. just saw your profile... u just got 2 low tier 4-5 usn cvs... so you dont know whats in their.. u saying for your good... completely biased  

[speedr]

As someone who plays both carriers, I have been honestly doing better with one large American fighter group than two half-size groups. Nothing survives that barrage.

 

b b but the number the s squadrons is all that matters...

[anonym_QRcbBUbSjqGe]

 

b b but the number the s squadrons is all that matters...

 

he play IJN CV... see his profile.. just 4 and 5 tier USN cvs.. jsut to make his own selfishness 

[Misniso]

It happens already.  With the AA at higher tiers, you generally lose one entire TB squadron the moment it gets into range.  That leaves you with 8 TB's.

 

Compare against Essex with 6 TB's.

[Cruiser_Sendai]

Essex is in kind of a bad position at the moment because its stock is 2/1/1.

 

Midway gets 2/1/2, so it can win the air war against its 2/3/3 counterpart (though IMO 3 Tbs and 3 IJN DBs >>> 1 TB and 2 USN DBs, but I haven't had the chance to test the "new and improved" 1000 lb bombs yet).

[Cruiser_Sendai]

It happens already.  With the AA at higher tiers, you generally lose one entire TB squadron the moment it gets into range.  That leaves you with 8 TB's.

 

Compare against Essex with 6 TB's.

 

Well, if Essex lost 4 torpedo planes as well, you're more like comparing 8 TBs to 2 TBs. o.O

[spartenkila]

its very difficult to face taiho agasint its two fighter squadron...and previously if u check those fughters then 2 tb can easily killed them htting avg7 torps of 12.

 

now its impossible to hit taiho with TBs..hihest 1 torps hit...

played 5 games agaisnt taiho this 4 hours... and really it is.

 

played 250 up battles with essex i know the difference well than WG devs i believe. as they didnt play this much mach with one ship..

 

really taiho gto 12 torp planes 10 bombers with 10 figters...

 

lemme know other essex players if im that wrong...

things are getting insance time to leave WOW... enough of this nerf and buff.

 

one thing they at least do either reduce taiho fighters or TBs to 12 to 8 planes in two swuad or give more survivalability to essex TBs. that would be equal.. seriously. im not being biased to essex this time.. this would be equal then...

 

SO essex players what do you think lemme know...  

 

Anyone else find it funny that OP contradicts himself? Title vs highlighted text...

 

but enough of the trolly crap I dont have anything higher than a tier 7 cv and I am pretty terrible with it. 

 

With WG choosing to have national flavor there is no way anything is going to be equally balanced... that being said I do wish that the US did have SOMETHING that was really good...

 

Their CV apparently is not as good as IJN, their BB is not as good as IJN, their CA is not as good as either German or IJN and the DD is not as good as Russian or IJN... kind of depressing but hopefully with the AA changes they will at least get that?

[Macabe]

 

here you go... you play IJN CV .. just saw your profile... u just got 2 low tier 4-5 usn cvs... so you dont know whats in their.. u saying for your good... completely biased  

 

Compass has probably played every ship in the game. It'a kinda part of our job as supertesters to test all the things. 

[Misniso]

Essex is in kind of a bad position at the moment because its stock is 2/1/1.

 

Midway gets 2/1/2, so it can win the air war against its 2/3/3 counterpart (though IMO 3 Tbs and 3 IJN DBs >>> 1 TB and 2 USN DBs, but I haven't had the chance to test the "new and improved" 1000 lb bombs yet).

 

It's more flexible and you're not putting all your eggs in one basket.  That said, if you're going to pull out the 2/3/3, the Midway counterpart is the 1/1/3.  

[Rion12]

 

Compass has probably played every ship in the game. It'a kinda part of our job as supertesters to test all the things. 

 

Logic will not get you far with a guy whose only argumentation against the opposition is to call for people to ignore them.

[Wo_9]

Essex is in kind of a bad position at the moment because its stock is 2/1/1.

 

Midway gets 2/1/2, so it can win the air war against its 2/3/3 counterpart (though IMO 3 Tbs and 3 IJN DBs >>> 1 TB and 2 USN DBs, but I haven't had the chance to test the "new and improved" 1000 lb bombs yet).

 

ive played both essex/midway after the patch and i found that each loadout is very underwhelming and the most effective was fighter loadout.  everything else is pure suffering as the overbuffed AA and IJN fighter loadouts force me to use fighters only.  

 

divebombers are way to RNG reliant which is gamebreaking if you need to defend yourself from a destroyer .-.

 

a nerf to far i must say. 

[Misniso]

 

Well, if Essex lost 4 torpedo planes as well, you're more like comparing 8 TBs to 2 TBs. o.O

 

If you only have 6 TB's, would you send them into a situation where you send in 12 TB's?

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

It's more flexible and you're not putting all your eggs in one basket.  That said, if you're going to pull out the 2/3/3, the Midway counterpart is the 1/1/3.  

 

I don't think most will run 1/1/3. A torpedo bomber was definitely worth more than a fighter, but I don't think a dive bomber is.

 

Most Hakuryus will probably still run 2/3/3 (with some going 4/2/2), and I think pretty much every Midway will have to go 2/1/2, because those that go 1/1/3 get countered by everyone else.

[Compassghost]

 

If you only have 6 TB's, would you send them into a situation where you send in 12 TB's?

 

if I only have 6 TBs, I pretend it is a Hatsuharu and stealth torp!

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

If you only have 6 TB's, would you send them into a situation where you send in 12 TB's?

 

So don't send the 12 TBs into that situation, either. Then it's still 12 TBs vs 6 TBs.

 

 

 

 

 

[Misniso]

 

So don't send the 12 TBs into that situation, either. Then it's still 12 TBs vs 6 TBs.

 

 

And your DB's are just there as trophies?  If you have 21 dive bombers, send them in in place of the TB's.  Fake out the defensive fire, Bust up some AA mounts, then send in the TB's.

 

And if you ask why we can't just do the above with IJN, we can.  But our DB's don't deal more than 4.5k damage per squadron with a manual drop.  Whereas you're walloping targets for 13k+ per squadron.  Heck, you only really need 2 bomb hits for 5k.  With that, you've exceeded 5 of our DB's in damage.

[EzioAuditore1456]

 

Compass has probably played every ship in the game. It'a kinda part of our job as supertesters to test all the things. 

 

and then wargaming makes you pay for every premium ship you want to have. at least you get nice signatures lol

[Killer1941]

 

ignore people that don't agree with me

 

FTFY

[Peregrinas]

 

It's more flexible and you're not putting all your eggs in one basket.  That said, if you're going to pull out the 2/3/3, the Midway counterpart is the 1/1/3.  

 

And the Hakuryu 2/3/3 is superior to the Midway 1/1/3. Much higher damage potential and it can win the fighter engagements too.

[Macabe]

 

and then wargaming makes you pay for every premium ship you want to have. at least you get nice signatures lol

 

..... we got a flag though.... *cries in the corner*.

[Compassghost]

Off in an hour. Gonna free XP past the Ranger and get me a Lexington. Also gonna pull the Baltimore CA captain over as the new carrier captain and send my old carrier captain into Des Moines. I'm making America great again!

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

And your DB's are just there as trophies?  If you have 21 dive bombers, send them in in place of the TB's.  Fake out the defensive fire, Bust up some AA mounts, then send in the TB's.

 

And if you ask why we can't just do the above with IJN, we can.  But our DB's don't deal more than 4.5k damage per squadron with a manual drop.  Whereas you're walloping targets for 13k+ per squadron.

 

14, because like I said, I don't think most people will run 1/1/3 over 2/1/2.

 

So, okay, let's say we get 13k per squadron. That's 26k. You've done 13k in total with your three dive bombers. The enemy ship is on fire either way, so you wait it out and then send in your torpedo bombers.

 

If your claim is that the AA mounts are destroyed thanks to the heavy dive bomber attacks, it goes both ways. If the 6 USN TBs survive, the 12 IJN ones do too. Remember, the USN are only ahead by 13k damage at this point. Your twelve torpedo bombers only have to land two extra hits over the six USN ones in order to have done more damage total. That sounds pretty easy to me.

 

And that's not considering flooding. If the ship repairs the raging fires (which he probably will), you're much more likely to get a flood DOT on him with your 12 than I am with my 6, which is like another 20k damage right there.

 

Finally, you also need to consider the flexibility. You mentioned that your 12 TBs become 8 when subjected to heavy AA attack. When I countered that, likewise, 6 TBs would become 2, you responded that one should not send their 6 torpedoplanes in the same situation that they would send twelve, which is true. However, this inherently gives an advantage to the IJN, who are now able to perform strikes that the USN simply can't, which is a very powerful advantage.

 

ANYWAY...that's the Midway vs the Hakuryu. OP is talking about Essex vs Taiho, where it's 2/1/1 instead of 2/1/2. In that case, you kind of have to send both planes at once, because individually they'll just die to focus fire. So you don't even get any DOT benefit.