Mogami 155 Turret Traverse so painfully slow now

[Shenanigans_8]

Even with Expert Marksman, it feels like aiming with a battleship.  WG please bufff Mogami turret traverse a little.  and no, I don't want to use the 203 on mogami since I like the extra guns. /r

[Sinboto]

I feel bad for anyone who has to go through mogami stock now, the gem of the IJN CA line, reduced to another crap ship on the way to T10. 

 

[Haruka_Takayama]

The 6 inch guns aren't supposed to nor do they have any obligation to be good. They are stock weapons. That's why you upgrade to the 8 inch guns which are better in every way besides rate of fire.  

[El_Judarino]

The 6 inch guns aren't supposed to nor do they have any obligation to be good. They are stock weapons. That's why you upgrade to the 8 inch guns which are better in every way besides rate of fire.  

 

Weren't they always supposed to be about equal and allow for play style choice? I very much seem to recall that point being made back in Beta.

[Haruka_Takayama]

 

Weren't they always supposed to be about equal and allow for play style choice? I very much seem to recall that point being made back in Beta.

 

Beta was many months ago. With the amount of people using AFT to increase the firing range of her guns, they had to nerf it somehow. They needed an incentive to convince people to actually use the better guns. The 6 inchers are decent for when you get the ship, but the 8 inchers are just so much better as of now. Hence why I have so much play time in my Atago. Mounting the 6 inch guns, you are essentially playing a 1936 light cruiser with large displacement. 

Personally, I think they could return its turret traverse rate from cbt, as long as AFT doesn't work with her guns.

[Jinxed_Katajainen]

 

Weren't they always supposed to be about equal and allow for play style choice? I very much seem to recall that point being made back in Beta.

 

If they were equal we would have seen fairly equal numbers of people using both setups, not the majority using the 15.5cm with BFT/AFT.

 

Honestly, I think Mogami is still feeling the effects of the tier swap back in the day.. they need some adjustment to their soft stats to feel like there's some progression from the Myoko to Ibuki.

 

 Personally, I think they could return its turret traverse rate from cbt, as long as AFT doesn't work with her guns.

 

They could return it closer to historical which was 5-6deg/sec.. which works out to 30s for 180deg turn at the upper end.

The 20.3cm gun train rate is buffed above listed historical which is around 45s for 180deg.

[Crucis]

Oh dear me.  The Mogami's stock guns are now what stock guns are supposed to be when compared to upgraded guns.  What a crying shame.  (Not.)

 

 

[Haruka_Takayama]

Oh dear me.  The Mogami's stock guns are now what stock guns are supposed to be when compared to upgraded guns.  What a crying shame.  (Not.)

 

 

 

This.

[Sinboto]

 

This.

6 inch guns are not 'inferior' to 8 inch guns, both in game and in real life, they are used differently yes but on the battlefield they were always near equal in combat which is why many navies used both (up to very recently in history when smaller guns started being used) of them on their cruisers.  

 

They are not ment to be 'crap' and if WG wants them to be I fear for the Royal navy line. 

[Bril01]

Honestly, they should have just removed the 155m guns and given the Mogami the 203s default.  Then make sure they have a range more fitting of a tier VIII and called it a day.

[Haruka_Takayama]

6 inch guns are not 'inferior' to 8 inch guns, both in game and in real life, they are used differently yes but on the battlefield they were always near equal in combat which is why many navies used both (up to very recently in history when smaller guns started being used) of them on their cruisers.  

 

They are not ment to be 'crap' and if WG wants them to be I fear for the Royal navy line. 

 

I never said they were crap irl. They are decent in game, but they aren't supposed to be the best choice. that's why you can upgrade to the 8 inchers. 

 

Actually, irl, the only reason she had 155s, was to classify her as a light cruiser, but once Japan broke from the naval treaties, they immediately mounted the 8 inch guns on her.

[10T0nHammer]

Funny thing, they have the same traverse rate as the Myokos 203s...

 

So it shouldn't be any different in terms of preplanning attacks

[Sinboto]

Funny thing, they have the same traverse rate as the Myokos 203s...

 

So it shouldn't be any different in terms of preplanning attacks

 

That is not true, the mogami's 155s turn at 51.4 seconds 180, to put that into context the Amagi's  16 inch gun turrets turn at 41.9 seconds 180, this is without skills or upgrades. 

[Takeda992]

I feel bad for anyone who has to go through mogami stock now, the gem of the IJN CA line, reduced to another crap ship on the way to T10. 

 

Imagine, since the captain isn't trained you don't even get the +0.7 deg/s for the turrets. Your stock range is 13.7km. Your turret traverse is like a battleship. You need to unlock the 2nd hull and the new turrets just to get the better guns but you still have crappy 13.7km range until you unlock the range upgrade. I think Mogami will compete with Fuso for the worst stock grind in the game, except in Fuso's case, you get a great ship after the grind,

[10T0nHammer]

 

That is not true, the mogami's 155s turn at 51.4 seconds 180, to put that into context the Amagi's  16 inch gun turrets turn at 41.9 seconds 180, this is without skills or upgrades. 

 

Oh man, they nerfed since the last time I checked. No matter, its only 0.5 degree a second difference. It boils back down to preplanning your attack. Something that anyone who has made it to tier 8 using painfully slow guns should have mastered by now.

[Dodgy_Cookies]

No AFT/BFT I can work with. Especially with a 15 point captain.

 

45s turret traverse is just stupid on a cruiser. 38s was already painful for Myoukou.

 

My Mogami is going into reserve until they buff the 155 traverse.  There is no point to the 203s when I have both Atago and Hipper as well

[Crucis]

No AFT/BFT I can work with. Especially with a 15 point captain.

 

45s turret traverse is just stupid on a cruiser. 38s was already painful for Myoukou.

 

My Mogami is going into reserve until they buff the 155 traverse.  There is no point to the 203s when I have both Atago and Hipper as well

 

 

Then install the equipment module that improves turret rotation speed if you want to get better rotation speed.  I did this on the pre-buff Yorck and it improved matters considerably.

 

And as for no point to the 203's, you're wrong.  They are the historical upgrade to the Mogami.  Period.

 

 

[Dodgy_Cookies]

 

 

Then install the equipment module that improves turret rotation speed if you want to get better rotation speed.  I did this on the pre-buff Yorck and it improved matters considerably.

 

And as for no point to the 203's, you're wrong.  They are the historical upgrade to the Mogami.  Period.

 

 

 

LOL I forgot that existed as i never use it. I should try it though as 15% for an extra 1s on reload might be worth it.

 

As for the 203s, I know the Mogamis had them, I am not saying that they should not exist. I just feel that there is no point in playing with them if I also have the arguably better Atago and Hipper to satisfy my 203 CA cravings.

[D_bob]

I feel bad for the Mogami, it was a nice change of pace up the 203 IJN line and had a genuinely different playstyle from other CAs.  If 155s aren't viable anymore its just another 203 heavy cruiser, one that we have many better choices in the game to choose from.

[Skraeling]

The 6 inch guns aren't supposed to nor do they have any obligation to be good. They are stock weapons. That's why you upgrade to the 8 inch guns which are better in every way besides rate of fire.  

 

Huh?  Other than alpha they are worse in every way.

 

Slower reload.

 

Less barrels per turret.

 

SAME RANGE.

 

Whats the benefit?

[Mannstien]

It's base range is still abysmal no matter what for a T8 cruiser, just add a top FCS with 16.2km

[Takeda992]

It's base range is still abysmal no matter what for a T8 cruiser, just add a top FCS with 16.2km

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16.2 km is too much in my opinion. Atago already has 15.8 km. Range should be US and German cruiser thing at that tier.

 

Give Mogami 15.8km range, and Myoko 15.9km (because devs really want the "higher rangefinder = more range" to be a thing).

[centarina]

myoko has 16.1 km range.      The  stock grind in mogami is going to be nasty.  at least I just need to unlock the 8" gun if I go that way.     my current plan is to let it sit for couple weeks for things to settle out a bit.    it will affect how I do the captain.  30sec turret on 203 doesn't really require em.   while 155 turret isn't usable even with EM.

[crzyhawk]

They should historically have about a 32 second 180 traverse speed. 

 

if it makes you feel any better, Cleveland SHOULD have an 18 second 180 traverse time, and it's not even close to that.  Mogami isn't the only ship being done dirty.

[SkyRail]

it is so funny to see the 155mm on the Yamato, which are the guns taken from the Mogami, traverse and aim in just a few seconds.