Destroyer's Ability To Stay "Invisible" At 1-2K Is Problematic

[Snoopys_Odyssey]

Twice this has happened while running a CV.  I am launching planes and the planes take off....then there is about ten seconds where you can't control the planes while they take off.  Lord and behold underneath my recently launched airwing an enemy destroyer pops up....yes, that close.  DON'T TELL I AM NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MAP....THAT IS BULLSH!T.  As an aircraft carrier I see everything around me.  Twice a destroyer pops out of thin air to blow me up at point blank range with torpedoes.  I was close enough to attempt a ram on both occasions.  I attacked with my aircraft, but DDs are very hard to hit and both times I didn't have time as the destroyer shot torpedoes at me....now I am really multi-tasking.  In my opinion the destroyer's stealth is OP as they should never be undetected at 2-3K let alone 1K.

 

 

Fix it....

[Cruiser_Sendai]

No destroyer has 1-2km detection, either he came from behind an island or you were simply not paying attention.

[Macabe]

Quite frankly, they don't do that and there isn't a single ship in the game that can get that close without proxy spotting taking effect. 

[Lert]

Considering the fact that even the most stealthy destroyer in the game has a concealment range of at best 4.7km, the only way destroyers can 'pop up out of nowhere' at 1 ~ 2 KM range is if they come out from behind an island, or use smoke. In the first case, why are you so close to an island? In the second case, why didn't you notice the smoke?

 

You are driving a class of ship that can strike across the map with impunity, at absolutely 0 risk to your own ship. The drawback is that you can't defend yourself at close range. If a destroyer can play well enough to come that close to you, he deserves the kill.

[AL_Gascogne]

I have never witnessed a Destroyer being stealth at secondary gun fire range, unless it was in a cloud of smoke that was set ahead of time.

 

Possible outcomes:

1. Destroyer came around the island you are hugging.

2. Destroyer was ahead of your course, hidden in smoke.

3. Destroyer actually appeared at 6km, and you claim 2km for dramatics.

[klymar8]

Considering the fact that even the most stealthy destroyer in the game has a concealment range of at best 4.7km, the only way destroyers can 'pop up out of nowhere' at 1 ~ 2 KM range is if they come out from behind an island, or use smoke. In the first case, why are you so close to an island? In the second case, why didn't you notice the smoke?

 

You are driving a class of ship that can strike across the map with impunity, at absolutely 0 risk to your own ship. The drawback is that you can't defend yourself at close range. If a destroyer can play well enough to come that close to you, he deserves the kill.

 

I have never witnessed a Destroyer being stealth at secondary gun fire range, unless it was in a cloud of smoke that was set ahead of time.

 

Possible outcomes:

1. Destroyer came around the island you are hugging.

2. Destroyer was ahead of your course, hidden in smoke.

3. Destroyer actually appeared at 6km, and you claim 2km for dramatics.

 

And this is why I voted yes .    

[Mexicanarmada15]

Was just in a match with a kongo on the north map. I am doing well and get 3 kills, one of which is the subject of this post, and I look at the dds left over and they are all spotted except for a gnevy. Well I think, not a problem since it can't invisi torp I should be fine. Well I am in the south east side near the two islands and as I pass one island the gnevy pops up within 1.9 km. As soon as it pops up I take evasive action and dodge all but two torps of which I survived and then proceed to kill it with he that I had preloaded for another enemy dd. My first thought as soon as it popped up

 

It had beached itself and stayed still as I came closer. Honestly well played too bad it didn't work out for him lol but yeah no anger here. If any its more at myself for not being more careful but oh well mistakes were made.

[iEaTDaGrudge]

 

brain dead here.

[Sinboto]

Even in smoke at 2k you can detect a DD, there's an absolute detection range even they can't bypass. 

[Batwingsix]

Mechanics... learn them maybe?

 

Time for my sound like a jerk moment...

 

555 battles and you haven't learned mechanics yet?? No wonder you're not even doing 10k damage a game average. As many battles as you have in DD's one would presume you would understand what you stated above is impossible... and maybe you would understand DD play a bit.

[Snoopys_Odyssey]

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[Snoopys_Odyssey]

Mechanics... learn them maybe?

 

Time for my sound like a jerk moment...

 

555 battles and you haven't learned mechanics yet?? No wonder you're not even doing 10k damage a game average. As many battles as you have in DD's one would presume you would understand what you stated above is impossible... and maybe you would understand DD play a bit.

Get your fact straight....I have over 1000 battles, and I have twice as much time playing a destroyer over a carrier.   If you are going to have a "jerk" moment at least do it with the correct facts.

 

[StaticDreams]

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Get your fact straight....I have over 1000 battles, and I have twice as much time playing a destroyer over a carrier.   If you are going to have a "jerk" moment at least do it with the correct facts.

 

 

umm.... if you dont like what people say and respond on the forum by calling us A**holes for what we write.. why do you even bother putting this up as a topic if you arent even gonna listen to our reasoning... 

[Lert]

Get your fact straight  <snip>  If you are going to have a "jerk" moment at least do it with the correct facts.

 

 

Ok ...

 

 

I am honestly amazed at how, with those stats, you manage to maintain a 48% winrate. It takes you on average over three battles and over two deaths to sink a single ship. You do only 13k damage average. Your hit ratio is utterly atrocious. You haven't yet seemed to grasp the concept of 'capturing a base' at all  ...... For someone with 250+ battles in destroyers, you barely seem able to grasp the very basics of how they work.

 

Please learn to play before accusing the game of not working.

 

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Suuuuuuuuuuure. You know better than anyone who's played several times more battles than you, and can demonstrate reliably a far better understanding of the game mechanics and balance than you. You claim the impossible, yet post absolutely zero proof. Look, kid, if you 'know what you're talking about' and you're such an expert at destroyers, why don't you sneak up to within 2 km of a target and show us all how it's done? You can't, can you. Because it's impossible.

 

Then when people post actual facts, all you do is yell at them in caps lock, start throwing around direct insults and swearwords. No actual facts, no proof, no nothing - just yelling, swearing and insults.

 

If you were my kid I'd give you a right good spanking so you couldn't sit down for a week or two.

 

Pro tip: when LITERALLY EVERYONE disagrees with you and posts ACTUAL FACTS, you might just be wrong.

[StaticDreams]

ok .. since db4100 thinks he is an expert for playing 1000 battles in WOWS... i must be like a super expert since i played 1400 battles... and with that said.. i have never once encountered a dd that could stay undetected within 1-2 km range without using smoke or using island cover....

[Mexicanarmada15]

If you were my kid I'd give you a right good spanking so you couldn't sit down for a week or two.

ROFL made me spill my drink. Way to go.

[Snoopys_Odyssey]

ok .. since db4100 thinks he is an expert for playing 1000 battles in WOWS... i must be like a super expert since i played 1400 battles... and with that said.. i have never once encountered a dd that could stay undetected within 1-2 km range without using smoke or using island cover....

 

I am not an expert, never claimed to be.  But I swear that it did happen.  I guess I didn't make myself clear on my intentions.  What did happen should not have happen.  Take that for what it is worth.

 

I apologize for the name calling.  I can see that it is counter productive.  I got frustrated when no one believed my story.

 

If you ever had an experience where it is so extraordinary, that no one wants to believe you.....this one of those times for me.

 

Was it a glitch in the programming?

Was a player using a illegal hack?

 

What I can assure you is that is did happen, twice.  I get my CV smacked my DDs quite often, but it is usually at the 5-7K range where I get to call for help, avoid a few salvos, and then disappear beneath the waves.  These other two times were different...they just popped up in front me at about 1-2K away with my launching aircraft flying over top the DD.

[Lert]

In almost 3300 battles I've not seen it happen either.

 

However, what I have seen happen is stupid people tunnelvisioning and not noticing that a destroyer - that has been lit and visible the past 2 minutes - is there until he is within 2 km.

[StaticDreams]

Get your fact straight....I have over 1000 battles, and I have twice as much time playing a destroyer over a carrier.   If you are going to have a "jerk" moment at least do it with the correct facts.

 

 

Your intentions were clear... you think you already know everything as stated above..  so i ask again...why even bother posting something like this only to insult people

[StaticDreams]

if you already have the answers to your own question and truly believe that this happened..... then just go on to believe that it happened without placing a burden on the rest of the community please... with that said.. have a good night.. going to bed  (.__.) zzzzz

[Snoopys_Odyssey]

 

I am honestly amazed at how, with those stats, you manage to maintain a 48% winrate. It takes you on average over three battles and over two deaths to sink a single ship. You do only 13k damage average. Your hit ratio is utterly atrocious. You haven't yet seemed to grasp the concept of 'capturing a base' at all  ...... For someone with 250+ battles in destroyers, you barely seem able to grasp the very basics of how they work.

 

Please learn to play before accusing the game of not working.

 The almighty Lert....he is a pro, he is so great.  So f'ing vane and condescending.  I bet you have a picture of yourself as your desktop wallpaper.

First off, most of those stats were pre-CV.  YOU TRY PLAYING WITH A SATELITTE INTERNET CONNECTION WHERE THE LAG AND PING IS SOOOO BAD YOU HAVE TO AIM YOUR SHOTS 2-3 SHIPS LENGTHS AHEAD OF WHERE YOU SHOULD BE AIMING.  OTHERWISE YOU ARE SHOOTING AT GHOSTS AND MISS.  COME ON, I DARE YOU.  WHAT?  YOU DON'T WANT TO TARNISH YOUR IMMORTAL IMAGE.

 

I have found with aircraft carriers the lag is not bad and is playable were I can actually compete, I have improved on my stats greatly.  I consider myself a good player considering the internet lag I put up with.  The almighty Lert probably has a very fast internet connection.  

 

I admit I don't do great with destroyers.  I get blown up quick even in a smoke screen and juking and jiving, but I do have my moments.  The lag can me look the fool with my aiming like shoot a salvo of torpedoes way behind the target or way ahead.

 

Anyways, you are getting way off topic, again with personal attacks.

 

If you don't believe me just say so, but enough with personal attacks.

 

 

[Snoopys_Odyssey]

In almost 3300 battles I've not seen it happen either.

 

However, what I have seen happen is stupid people tunnelvisioning and not noticing that a destroyer - that has been lit and visible the past 2 minutes - is there until he is within 2 km.

 

Lert,  

 

This I can buy.  Why didn't you just lead off with this?  

 

All I ask of the community is to keep an open mind.  I am quite sure if what happened is legit, someone else might post a concern.  But, after what you guys just did to me, why would they?  Is raising a concern worth all of these insults?

[Lert]

  The almighty Lert probably has a very fast internet connection.  

 

No, just a wireless, transcontinental one with 120+ ping, fluctuating, with intermittent packetloss. But thank you for assuming.

 

If you don't believe me just say so, but enough with personal attacks.

 

You better get one thing straight, bub. I didn't attack YOU. I attacked your stats and your posts. While YOU, post crap like~

 

Hey Assw1pes, 

 

I have enough battles and experience to know when a DD pops out of nowhere.  NO, THERE WERE NO ISLANDS.  NO, THERE WAS NO SMOKE.  THE SECOND TIME I WAS IN THE COMPANY OF ALLIES AND IT SURPRISED EVEN THEM.  THE DESTROYER LITERALLY POPPED OUT OF NOWHERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.....TWICE.   I HAVE EXPERIENCE RUNNING A DESTROYER, AND I ALMOST ALWAYS GET DETECTED AT ABOUT 6-7K AWAY FROM AN ENEMY.  I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.  I ALWAYS, I MEAN ALWAYS I AM FOR THE LOOK OUT FOR ROGUE DDS, BUT HOW CAN YOU DEFEND YOURSELF WHEN THEY POP UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU?  

 

HOW ABOUT YOU ACEHOLES STOP PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME, AND TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.  WHAT BUGS ME THE MOST IS THAT IT IS NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN.   AGAIN, IT ONLY HAPPENED TWICE OUT OF OVER 200 BATTLES AS AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER, BUT IT DID HAPPEN....NO ISLANDS, NO SMOKE, IN CLEAR OPEN WATER.

 

 

 

With personal attacks, swearing, insults and cries of "I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT", when you obviously haven't a bloody clue how this game works.

 

I mean, seriously, opening up with 'Hey Assw1pes'? And you have the absolute bloody gall to accuse us of personal attacks?

 

Finally, your cry of "I ALWAYS, I MEAN ALWAYS I AM ON THE LOOK OUT FOR ROGUE DDS" doesn't really rhyme with~

 

This I can buy.

 

Obviously what I said about inattentive, tunnelvisioning players not noticing a DD despite it having been lit for the past few minutes doesn't apply to you, because "I ALWAYS, I MEAN ALWAYS I AM ON THE LOOK OUT FOR ROGUE DDS"

 

Why didn't you just lead off with this?

 

Because of your own insulting posts and attitude, outrageous claims, total lack of proof and the tone of your OP making it absolutely clear that according to you it's the game's fault entirely and you're not even considering the idea that you might be mistaken. Things like the entire paragraph of yours that I quoted above, you know, the all-caps one. Just a little bit hypocritical for you to accuse us of personal attacks, isn't it?

 

In the end, what happened is you being inattentive, then coming to the forum, crying about how the game is doing things it shouldn't be doing, yelling, swearing and insulting, generally throwing a tantrum befitting a hypocritical 5 y/o.

 

Now, do you have any more of those all-caps tantrums for me? I find them quite amusing.

[Batwingsix]

Get your fact straight....I have over 1000 battles, and I have twice as much time playing a destroyer over a carrier.   If you are going to have a "jerk" moment at least do it with the correct facts.

 

 

My apologies, I guess even Warshipstats had given up on trying to track you. Although it seems Lert has shown me the light that even with an extra 500+ battles you can still only kill an Erie and maybe hit his buddy a couple of times per match.

[OnlyFarms]

Somehow that pesky DD probably rode that line you were hugging in your CV undetected by anyone on your team or your planes.  Just because you might have the awareness perk does not mean you yourself are aware.