Reminder: this is not a simulator

[StationaryAA]

Take your damn History Channel discussions to the other forum and stop posting your wall of text quotes in game balance threads.

[G0lfSierra1]

It's not?

 

[Shadowrigger1]

Take your damn History Channel discussions to the other forum and stop posting your wall of text quotes in game balance threads.

 

You can't have a game like this survive if you don't have reality as its foundation.

[TenguBlade]

You can't have a game like this survive if you don't have reality as its foundation.

Emphasis on foundation.  The game is based on reality, but if you want to follow reality, then you take damage every time you fire Mogami's guns, and Fubuki, Ryujo, and Hatsuharu will capsize if they turn too tightly in their stock configurations.  Such things are unfair in a game, hence why this game can't be realistic; balance and marketing take priority.

[steelreserv27]

 

You can't have a game like this survive if you don't have reality as its foundation.

Boom^

 

Its part and parcel to this game.

 

When I used to play WoT I used to say that you could make the tank look like bunny rabbits with the same armor modeling, shooting peas and carrots at each other, but who would want to play a game like that?

 

[steelreserv27]

Emphasis on foundation.  The game is based on reality, but if you want to follow reality, then you take damage every time you fire Mogami's guns, and Fubuki, Ryujo, and Hatsuharu will capsize if they turn too tightly in their stock configurations.  Such things are unfair in a game, hence why this game can't be realistic; balance and marketing take priority.

 

Yep, a playable arcade interface with an historic/realistic theme.  Well put.

[vamrat]

"a playable arcade interface with an historic/realistic theme"

 

I think it is safe to say that 60-75% of us were expecting this when we clicked download.

[Shadowrigger1]

Emphasis on foundation.  The game is based on reality, but if you want to follow reality, then you take damage every time you fire Mogami's guns, and Fubuki, Ryujo, and Hatsuharu will capsize if they turn too tightly in their stock configurations.  Such things are unfair in a game, hence why this game can't be realistic; balance and marketing take priority.

 

There are obvious things that would make the game fail if you made it too "realistic"  but when the basic game mechanics or core elements of the game are a bit too fanciful then you start hurting your own game growth.

 

This game though Arcade based, has too many inconsistencies between complete fiction and at least some semblance of reality.

[Raven114]

Boom^

 

Its part and parcel to this game.

 

When I used to play WoT I used to say that you could make the tank look like bunny rabbits with the same armor modeling, shooting peas and carrots at each other, but who would want to play a game like that?

 

Ships can not capsize when turning sharply, read a book about hydro dynamics and water adhesion. Then watch a You Tube video and watch the USS Ronald Reagan make a 45 Knot full rudder turn during sea trials. 

[baxter_105]

 Take your damn History Channel discussions to the other forum and stop posting your wall of text quotes in game balance threads. 

 

If you want to censor forum posts and threads you should become a moderator. Until then you should just get over it.

 

In point of fact, this game is derived from the historical context of these ships in naval warfare of the battleship era and WWII; it has been, by necessity, altered in the interests of play-ability for an arcade setting.

 

I know of no one who perceives this game as a naval simulator. I know plenty who appreciate the historical aspects.

 

Go rant somewhere else. I wish we had the neg bomb like they used to have in WoT.

[pmgaudio]

[StingRayOne]

Your right, forget history, forget all the old guys and girls.

Forget the guys who were or are in the service,

while we are at it forget wisdom, books and poetry.

What could they possibly teach anyone anyway right?

perhaps the most important thing of all

Anyone want to guess for the cookie?

 

[baxter_105]

Hatsuharu will capsize if they turn too tightly in their stock configurations

 

I am assuming that you are referring to the top-heaviness of some IJN ships when they were first launched. The top heaviness occurred due to design changes mandated by the IJN naval board. The changes were never approved by the IJN design board.

 

Actually, their top-heaviness was discovered owing to their performance in the heavy seas created by storms and none capsized owing to this.

In turning, IIRC, there is no record of these ships ever coming close to capsizing.

 

 Ryujo was an aircraft carrier, not a big gun ship.

 

Please cite your source for any IJN ships capsizing or coming close to capsizing owing to turns.

[OseanTanker]

I haven't seen anyone claim that this game is a simulator in... well practically ever.  Based on your lack of Beta tags, you were not here when ship hulls had years, the Iowa actually had its full AA complement (not the stupid dual bofors it has now), and when the game had much more history in it.  Sorry some of us like our WWII era games to include historical correctness.  Would World of Tanks be the same if the Tiger had its armor and gun nerfed for game balance?  Or T-34's and M4's mobility?  Answer, no. 

[DoomStomper]

Ships can not capsize when turning sharply, read a book about hydro dynamics and water adhesion. Then watch a You Tube video and watch the USS Ronald Reagan make a 45 Knot full rudder turn during sea trials. 

 

Figured the Nimitz-class could do better than their undisclosed "30+ knot" official speed, but 45?!?  Now I have to see this video.

[StationaryAA]

Your right, forget history, forget all the old guys and girls.

Forget the guys who were or are in the service,

while we are at it forget wisdom, books and poetry.

What could they possibly teach anyone anyway right?

perhaps the most important thing of all

Anyone want to guess for the cookie?

 

 

 

That's a huge strawman you have made.

[Red_Raven_168]

It's not?

 

we know its not an arcade game simulator either

 

[IronWolfV]

 

If you want to censor forum posts and threads you should become a moderator. Until then you should just get over it.

 

In point of fact, this game is derived from the historical context of these ships in naval warfare of the battleship era and WWII; it has been, by necessity, altered in the interests of play-ability for an arcade setting.

 

I know of no one who perceives this game as a naval simulator. I know plenty who appreciate the historical aspects.

 

Go rant somewhere else. I wish we had the neg bomb like they used to have in WoT.

 

And I'd neg bomb you. Want basis in reality? Explain USN 127mm guns and sub orbital arcs.  Or the Bogue having BIPLANES when. it never carried them or a couple dozen other things.

 

Basis in reality is this. Ship models look like ships of the past. That's it.

[Captain_Suzuki]

Emphasis on foundation.  The game is based on reality, but if you want to follow reality, then you take damage every time you fire Mogami's guns, and Fubuki, Ryujo, and Hatsuharu will capsize if they turn too tightly in their stock configurations.  Such things are unfair in a game, hence why this game can't be realistic; balance and marketing take priority.

Well said.

-Capt. Suzuki

 

[Skraeling]

 

If you want to censor forum posts and threads you should become a moderator. Until then you should just get over it.

 

In point of fact, this game is derived from the historical context of these ships in naval warfare of the battleship era and WWII; it has been, by necessity, altered in the interests of play-ability for an arcade setting.

 

I know of no one who perceives this game as a naval simulator. I know plenty who appreciate the historical aspects.

 

Go rant somewhere else. I wish we had the neg bomb like they used to have in WoT.

 

way to utterly miss the point.  I dont give a crapabout yamato inferior steel welding or whatever other bullcrap history says.  That doesnt helpe me in GAME with GAMEPLAY issues like the yamato v montana balance.

 

History doesnt tell me why it gets a better repair party than the montana...

 

 

[IronWolfV]

Well said.

-Capt. Suzuki

 

 

Well what TenguBlade said and add in this. If they really went historical, this is how the gameplay would be from tier 5 and up.

 

Carriers send planes out to go kill stuff and everyone NOT a carrier will stay back and add their AA sport to keep said carriers alive.

 

The end.

 

Sounds like fun eh?

[DoomStomper]

way to utterly miss the point.  I dont give a crapabout yamato inferior steel welding or whatever other bullcrap history says.  That doesnt helpe me in GAME with GAMEPLAY issues like the yamato v montana balance.

 

History doesnt tell me why it gets a better repair party than the montana...

 

The need to loosely interpret history in the interest of game balance is an understandable reality, but there is still some logic behind bringing up history during balance discussions.  Unbalanced aspects of gameplay can stand out even more in this "history-flavored arcade" when they are proven to be ahistorical as well.  This could ultimately be used to make a stronger case for the developers to recognize and fix a problem.

[TenguBlade]

baxter_105, on 20 January 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

I am assuming that you are referring to the top-heaviness of some IJN ships when they were first launched. The top heaviness occurred due to design changes mandated by the IJN naval board. The changes were never approved by the IJN design board.

 Doesn't matter, they still came about.  Do you really think that ships will make an emergency turn under any circumstance except avoiding collision or when under attack?  The IJN was lucky to find out about the instability issues before the war broke out.

 

It also doesn't matter whether Ryujo was a surface combatant or aircraft carrier, her design pre-modification was still top-heavy, and very much so.

 

All that said, I doubt the ships would be guaranteed to capsize under emergency turn; the point was exaggerated a bit for the sake of rhetoric.

[_baggins_]

  Explain USN 127mm guns and sub orbital arcs.

 

As as has been said a thousand time and you seem unable or unwilling to comprehend. The game has a historical basis; but, is play-balanced. Gosh, you are dense.

 

 

Basis in reality is this. Ship models look like ships of the past. That's it.

 

But that is enough.

 

What you want is a naval combat sim...sorry look somewhere else.

[VTAdmiral]

If you want a sim, Silent Hunter 4 is quite good.

 

Enjoy a game where one mission takes literally all day to complete. And that is with a time dilation feature.