Atago or Kutuzov Which is better state your facts?

[ShimakazeCunnyOOOUAH]

In my opinion the Atago is the better ship. However im hearing the Kutuzov is better then the Atago? But how state below.

[Lonewolfpj]

I like the Atago more but the I have had it longer

[BaddParrot]

Both are Good.  The Kutuzov has better AA & fires faster, The Atago has better torps & can heal.

[Shenanigans_8]

They each have their pros and cons.  While I do not own either ship, I drive both CAs and DDs regularly and have come across both of them a good number of times.  Overall, I'd say Atago is slightly better since it's much more "tanky" than Mikhail and the damage capabilities are somewhat better due to the 203mm guns giving more punch.  The only major advantage Mikhail has over the Atago, IMO, is its ROF at about 2x Atago's ROF, which gives it good ability to chip at HP quickly rather than to poke out relatively big chunks every so often as with the Atago.

[Jmthebigman]

Honestly I think Atlanta and MK are more comparable role wise. (based on reading stuff and vids)

So the question is can you reliably compare them.

[MrDeaf]

Well, I'm not entire sure if the MK is better than Atago.

They both certainly have their roles.

 

The 152mm guns on MK shoot shells flatter than even Mogami, so it's even easier getting the shells to hit and set fires.

This flat trajectory also helps in landing multiple citadel hits and they seem to have slightly better penetration values than what Mogami's 15.5cm have.

Another bonus, is that these guns are excellent at killing enemy destroyers inside of 12km. They are even effective out to 15km, if you've learnt how much lead you need.

 

With AFT, you get 19km range, which makes it easier to sit in the back with BBs, as your ship lacks armor, or even a torp belt.

The 5.5s rudder shift allows you to easily dodge incoming, long range, shells.

It can even shoot down Midway's bombers, so it's even better at escorting other, less nimble ships.

 

 

Atago definitely has the Alpha strike and DPS advantage and is more suitable for leading the charge.

It's also more durable, as Atago has a torp belt and heal potions.

[Scotty_SE]

You guys are delusional. Atago relies on 203s and lucky citadels with AP, and the collective concensus is those guns on IJN have diminshing returns post tier 7. Torps on Atago are situational and rarely a game changer just like the Mogami. Good luck healing with a giant citadel that T6 bbs can swat you to the bottom. MK plays like a Mogami, but with better armor that disperses HE better and a tougher citadel shot. Only advantage Atago has is its a bit tougher to hit and due to the Tirpitz meta of being resilient to HE spamming 203 AP has nominally better affect in that situation. What we should be discussing is why both are way better than the Orleans, but you have to buy them. Bit disgusting if you ask me, but indicates a clear direction with WoWs content.

[MrDeaf]

1 - You guys are delusional. Atago relies on 203s and lucky citadels with AP, and the collective concensus is those guns on IJN have diminshing returns post tier 7.

2 - Torps on Atago are situational and rarely a game changer just like the Mogami. Good luck healing with a giant citadel that T6 bbs can swat you to the bottom.

3 - MK plays like a Mogami, but with better armor that disperses HE better and a tougher citadel shot.

4 - Only advantage Atago has is its a bit tougher to hit and due to the Tirpitz meta of being resilient to HE spamming 203 AP has nominally better affect in that situation.

5 - What we should be discussing is why both are way better than the Orleans, but you have to buy them.

6 - Bit disgusting if you ask me, but indicates a clear direction with WoWs content.

 

1 - No, not really... the IJN 203mm are very accurate and can reliably citadel other cruisers just fine. This has more to do with aiming skill and how well the enemy dodges your shells.

2 - They're even more situational on Kutuzov, as they only go 8km, are 2kts slower and only have 1x quintuple per side. The firing arcs are quite good on MK and Atago, but bad on Mogami.

3 - Kutuzov: 15-100mm + 40700HP + no torpedo belt, Mogami: 25-140mm + 39100HP + torpedo belt. Both are just as easy to citadel with 8" or larger. Kutuzov is easier to citadel with 152mm

4 - Of course Tirpitz, and any other T7+ BB for that matter, is resilient to 203mm HE. The main purpose of HE is to set them on fire, then pepper them with AP to get your DPS up.

5 - I think it's pretty universally accepted that T7+ USN cruisers are turds in one way or another.

6 - So get the Mogami or Admiral hipper?

[Eisennagel]

 

 

Just from my playing perspective, I reach out for the Kutuzov more often.  I hardly touch my Atago, though lately I tend to prefer my Atago to the Mogami.  For some reason, the Mogami gets citadeled badly lately; it may have something to do with the ship raised up higher on the water.   Or maybe I was having a string of bad luck.   In any case, getting some disastrous hits weakened my appetite for playing it.  I may have to investigate a bit more though before coming to more final conclusions.

 

I do think I need to reach out to my Atago more often; I think it was seeing large numbers of them in the game before that sort of stopped me from playing it.   In a way, the Atago has become the "mean average" for the Tier 8 cruiser.  

 

Just from my experience, the Kutuzov when hit, doesn't get into the kind of disastrous levels as the Hipper and the Mogami.  For that reason I tend to push her more aggressively.

 

The Hipper is like living on the edge.  I nearly pee'd on my shorts when I citadeled an Amagi around 12km.  Then I continued to take out large chunks of his life with my AP.  Then he citadeled me for nearly half of my life.  We went into some rocks and I was determined to see it to the end, but the Amagi didn't make it past that as someone else shot and sank him instead.  

[BaryOnyxx]

 

 

I have become an MK afficiondo, due to her high RoF, excellent accuracy, and great maneuverability.   I keep mine screaming at top speed + Sierra Mike, at the fringes of my engagement range and outside most others' range, and just shower an enema with HE.  When the range closes, I occasionally switch to torps, and finish the job.  With an AAA rating of 85, AND a fighter, she doesn't leave much to be desired in the AAA department.  It would be a hard fight, but I think that Mikey K would just beat out the Atago.   Last but not least, gotta love those Italian lines - she is a handsome ship.

 

Peace.

 

Kirk out

 

 

[Downpour_]

I have them both and have played them both a reasonable amount (35 games in the Kutuzov in randoms and ranked and 156 games in the Atago in randoms and ranked) and I think the Kutuzov is slightly more fun to play (for all you WOT players out there think CDC vs FCM if they both had normal MM).  With a good captain (17 point Khab/Gremy captain in mine) it is dynamic and maneuverable and because you know that it is a tinder box ready to explode at the slightest mistake on your part it keeps you on the edge of your seat when playing it. The Kutuzov has really excellent gun arcs that allow you to keep all 12 guns on target while at the same time presenting a very small silhouette that can zig and zag quite deftly.

 

That being said though the Atago is the better ship, with the recent buffs it no longer turns like a beached whale, it's actually pretty maneuverable now. Decent armor and the healing potion make it far and away the toughest tier 8 crusier. The guns on the Kutuzov are no where near as bad as a lot people make them out to be but at the same time they are not in the same class as the IJN 8" guns. In tier 10 games all tier 8 cruisers suffer but the Atago can be of more use to ones team than the Kutuzov due to these 8" guns. The Kutuzov relies on fire damage for most of its contribution, which of course is much harder to come by against tier 10's, while the Atago can still get a fair amount of fires and its ap is not anemic vs ships with armor.

 

When it comes to torps its not even close, the Atago wins by a mile. She has more torps than the Kutuzov, and they are faster, and go further,and do more damage, oh, and they reload faster too.

 

The Atago's camo rating is significantly better than the Kutuzov's.  Couple that with a fighter plane, Kutuzov doesn't have one, allows the Atago to have better anti DD capabilities. The camo of the Atago once fully speced also out gives it ~1 km invisasniping buffer zone (8.9 km detection w/ captain skill, module, and camo + 5.9km after firing= 14.82km).

 

All in all I think they are both very good ships, the Kutuzov might could use a detection range buff though, but if we HAVE to choose which is the better ship I think it's pretty clear if you look at it objectively that the Atago is not only better but you could make a very good argument that it is the best tier 8 cruiser full stop.

[UrbnNinja]

I have the Atago, and i love it. I don't think the guns have problems with accuracy, and the fact that i have a 11km detection i can easily slip up close to enemy Cruisers who are just traveling in a straight line and get a couple citadels is fantastic.  The ship moves great, it sits low in the water and when you have the captian skill that gives you more reloads on your repair it's a ship that can take a few big hits, hide for 2 or 3 minutes and return to the fight with a fair amount of hit points again.

 

I've seen the MK a few times in game, and i've never really been worried about going against one. I've won most of  encounters with them. The only Tier 8 cruiser that makes me nervous with the Atago is the Hipper, that thing hits like a Semi truck 

[10T0nHammer]

I only have Mikhail. Reason I like it? Dat AP tho....

 

I have deleted Mogami in single salvos and even BBs feel the wrath of 152mm AP rounds penning for 4k salvos at medium range. HE is pathetic though, won't even damage CAs. Enough armor to allow your bow to bounce most shots and smoke is a neat trick if you over extended. Its not a save all but smoke is better than no smoke. Its AA is gross for having so little amount of actual AA guns. I shot down 26 planes in one game and never even used my defensive fire as I was brawling with a Cleveland and 2 Atagos.

 

In my very limited experience, Mikhail is fun. Its what the Atlanta SHOULD be.

[Downpour_]

I only have Mikhail. Reason I like it? Dat AP tho....

 

I have deleted Mogami in single salvos and even BBs feel the wrath of 152mm AP rounds penning for 4k salvos at medium range. HE is pathetic though, won't even damage CAs. Enough armor to allow your bow to bounce most shots and smoke is a neat trick if you over extended. Its not a save all but smoke is better than no smoke. Its AA is gross for having so little amount of actual AA guns. I shot down 26 planes in one game and never even used my defensive fire as I was brawling with a Cleveland and 2 Atagos.

 

In my very limited experience, Mikhail is fun. Its what the Atlanta SHOULD be.

 

Are we playing the same ship? Yes situationally the AP can be used to good effect at close range, especially against very weakly armored targets, but I would in no way call that out as a strength of the ship. Almost any ship in a similar situation i.e. 3-10 km range broadside on target, would also be able to punish a Mogami with AP. Yes the HE is only 152mm so it doesn't pen 25mm of armor like the 155mm of the Mogami which means that you don't get as much initial damage on impact and a lot of people write off the guns for that reason, but you still get a reasonable amount damage and it has a very good chance of fire. Last ranked battle I played in mine I did over 65k in fire damage alone. 

[10T0nHammer]

 

Are we playing the same ship? Yes situationally the AP can be used to good effect at close range, especially against very weakly armored targets, but I would in no way call that out as a strength of the ship. Almost any ship in a similar situation i.e. 3-10 km range broadside on target, would also be able to punish a Mogami with AP. Yes the HE is only 152mm so it doesn't pen 25mm of armor like the 155mm of the Mogami which means that you don't get as much initial damage on impact and a lot of people write off the guns for that reason, but you still get a reasonable amount damage and it has a very good chance of fire. Last ranked battle I played in mine I did over 65k in fire damage alone. 

 

Fire mechanics too unreliable in this game. Why fire HE for 0 damage and hope for a fire when I can just roll 3-5k salvos in AP? Of course, I do my best to not fire at targets at max range as both HE and AP are not very effective. I go for maximizing my damage in the shortest time possible and HE simply isnt the way to go. Of course, I do need more games in it.

[Downpour_]

 

Fire mechanics too unreliable in this game. Why fire HE for 0 damage and hope for a fire when I can just roll 3-5k salvos in AP? Of course, I do my best to not fire at targets at max range as both HE and AP are not very effective. I go for maximizing my damage in the shortest time possible and HE simply isnt the way to go. Of course, I do need more games in it.

 

Did you even read what I said? Because not everyone just happens to be sailing by you, at a leisurely pace, sub 10km, broadside on all the time. These are not the 130mm russian guns, the slightest angle and you are doing 0 damage without the chance of fire. Did I ever say "Don't fire AP, HE 4 ev UR!!"? NO, I was merely pointing out that AP is not really a strong point of this ship, its ok at best. Definitely take the shots with AP where AP gives an advantage but at the same time if you "go for maximizing my damage" completely ignoring HE is stupid.

[MrDeaf]

The reload is fast enough on those guns, that if they angle against you, fire HE and if they show broadside, fire AP.

 

You can even alternate to be massively annoying.

[LittleWhiteMouse]

Having reviewed and studied both, they're two very different ships.  The Mikhail Kutuzov is meant to be an escort vessel while the Atago is a Hunter/Killer.

 

• Both ships can stealth fire with proper modules and captain skills.
• Both ships have similar gun handling.
• Both ships have large, vulnerable citadels.
• The Mikhail has a 30m smaller turning circle and is more agile.
• The Mikhail Kutuzov has longer range.
• The Mikhail Kutuzov has higher DPM.
• The Mikhail Kutuzov has much better AA (like not even a contest).
• The Mikhail Kutuzov is a better fire-boat at 10.6 fires per minute vs the Atago's 6.5 fires per minute.
• The Atago has better alpha strike with up to 47,000 AP & 33,000 HE volleys compared to the 39,600 AP & 26,400 HE strikes from the Mikhail Kutuzov.
• The Atago is much more stealthy, getting down to a 9.1km surface detection range.
• The Atago has much better torpedoes (like not even a contest) which it can also stealth fire (!).
• The Atago is far more durable, having up to 62,500 potential HP under normal circumstances.
• The Atago has a float plane which helps with spotting.
• The Atago is much faster, having the third highest top speed at tier 8.

 

If you like playing the support ship, working close to a friendly fleet and lending fire and AA-defense, the Mikhail Kutuzov is the ship for you.  If you favour more lone-wolf style tactics, using high speed and stealth to ambush vulnerable ships (from full health destroyers to distracted battleships or even isolated CVs) then the Atago is the ship I would reach for.  I am using the Atago exclusively in Ranked Battles and she's an absolute monster.  Before the superstructure of a ship gets saturated, her initial high explosive volley can (and will) hit for as much as 10,000 damage.  Subsequent strikes usually float as much as 5000 thereafter, not including fires.  The ability to deal this much front-loaded damage is incredibly important in Ranked Battles where using cover and concealment to increase survivability is paramount for a cruiser.  In addition, the ability outrun any pursuing ship short of a Kiev, Tashkent, Benson or Hatsuharu is amazing. 

 

Given the choice, I would equip the Mikhail Kutuzov for AA picket duties and babysit an aggressive BB, lending fire support.  The Atago I would kit up for anti-destroyer work, complete with stealth camouflage, hydroacoustic search and appropriate detecting skills on the Captain -- racing just behind my destroyers as they take forward cap positions and mutilate Red destroyers that made the mistake of trying to duel with my little friends.

[Eisennagel]

 

The guns on the MK is one of the most accurate in the game, along with the Mogami's 155mms and the German-burgs 150mm.  And one of the best groups ever.  Sometimes even with all 12 guns firing, all you see is not a shotgun of shells but two large tight clumps headed to the enemy.