Give cvs defensive fire ability!

[nellieder]

hello, i really think giving cvs the defensive fire ability would make things just better, and weaken a bit the stupid mechanic of which cv kills the enemy cv first. I think this would be an easy change to make cv play more enjoyable, and would not lead to any cv opness versus other classes. What do you think?

[Batwingsix]

The insta target of the enemy CV is a viable tactic, and usually unless the CV is in a division with an AA cruiser there usually isn't anyone sitting back to make sure they don't. I wouldn't mind seeing given to CV's, actually I would pretty well hope they would for sake of not having a very important ship taken out within the first 3 minutes of a match leaving the other carrier to wreak havok on the other team.

[Oberarzt_U511]

I don't think its a good idea because CVs already have fighter squadrons which are essentially AA on steroids with unlimited range, along with good AA themselves.

 

It takes a good amount of skill to fly an entire strike force undetected to the other side of the map to attack the enemy carrier. Additionally it consumes a lot of valuable time for the attacker.

 

Defensive AA along with a bit of maneuvering can undo all the effort of an entire strike with minimal effort, so I don't support the idea.

 

But your thread does bring up the issue of CV rework, which is nice.

[Magic_Fighting_Tuna]

Would be nice to have, but for the time being I just leave a fighter squadron to circle the CV and have the rest go out and kill things. You can usually tell when enemy CV insta target you because their planes are missing due to them flying along the edges of the map so at least you have a good time frame to respond before they reach you.

[Noshiro_]

If you want defensive fire, just div up with a cruiser or ask someone to stick with you for the first TB wave.

[nellieder]

i want to add, that this problem mainly influences high tier cvs, mainly essex and midway. With these two ships, you essentially have to take strike loadout because it is just so much better. This leaves you with one fighter squadron and an enormous strike force. Now place for instance midway vs midway you can just always get all your strike planes through, because the fighters neutralize each other for enough time to make the attackrun. 

The reason why i think at least hight tier cvs should have aa consumable is because because they are the most valuable target for the enemy, and cant protect themself vs airstrikes like other ships. This is mainly for the reason, that you cant stay close with other ships because if you do,  your are  primary target for enemy artillery.

The only solution is indeed to ask ally cruiser for support. However we all know that in random battles this is a rather difficult thing to accomplish constantly, and i also can understand friendly cruiser, if he does not want to waste his entire match to protect me.  

[AkiraKurai]

i want to add, that this problem mainly influences high tier cvs, mainly essex and midway. With these two ships, you essentially have to take strike loadout because it is just so much better. This leaves you with one fighter squadron and an enormous strike force. Now place for instance midway vs midway you can just always get all your strike planes through, because the fighters neutralize each other for enough time to make the attackrun. 

The reason why i think at least hight tier cvs should have aa consumable is because because they are the most valuable target for the enemy, and cant protect themself vs airstrikes like other ships. This is mainly for the reason, that you cant stay close with other ships because if you do,  your are  primary target for enemy artillery.

The only solution is indeed to ask ally cruiser for support. However we all know that in random battles this is a rather difficult thing to accomplish constantly, and i also can understand friendly cruiser, if he does not want to waste his entire match to protect me.  

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[1Sherman]

hello, i really think giving cvs the defensive fire ability would make things just better, and weaken a bit the stupid mechanic of which cv kills the enemy cv first. I think this would be an easy change to make cv play more enjoyable, and would not lead to any cv opness versus other classes. What do you think?

 

CVs don't need Defensive Fire, our AA is already great. The reason why CAs use Defensive Fire is because their AA guns naturally have low DPS. BBs and CVs have high DPM AA guns.

[nellieder]

http://worldofwarships.com/en/community/accounts/1014445755-nellieder/ what?

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/de/community/accounts/500999908-Nellieder/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp

 

 

CVs don't need Defensive Fire, our AA is already great. The reason why CAs use Defensive Fire is because their AA guns naturally have low DPS. BBs and CVs have high DPM AA guns.

 

i can aggree here eventually with the essex, but i am really not looking forward to the midway, where ratio of aa-power to aircraft speed and survivability is worse(dont have midway yet)

anyways i still think it would change things to the better and just dont see a good reason why not.

[Crucis]

 

The only solution is indeed to ask ally cruiser for support. However we all know that in random battles this is a rather difficult thing to accomplish constantly, and i also can understand friendly cruiser, if he does not want to waste his entire match to protect me.  

 

 

I was in a tier 10 battle last night where each team had a tier 10 and a tier CV.  We won in a massacre because our team did something almost unheard of.  Our team's BBs and CA's all huddled around our 2 CVs who stayed close together.  And when the enemy planes showed up, they got blown out of the sky in a real hurry as every cruiser was firing off its AA barrage and the BBs were adding in their potent AA, while at the same time, our CVs were punching out the enemy's CVs.  Maybe one of the best displays of team work you could ever imagine in a pub match.

[QuantumEntropy]

Nah

 

Only cruisers need that

[Wo_9]

just give it to all USN ships as a national flavor ability :>

[PelicanHazard]

This thread has me wondering if it's worth forgoing the +1fighter/bomber 5pt captain's skill on carriers and instead getting BFT/AFT to make the AA even more potent.

[nellieder]

This thread has me wondering if it's worth forgoing the +1fighter/bomber 5pt captain's skill on carriers and instead getting BFT/AFT to make the AA even more potent.

 

On my essex i have upgraded my aa rating to 96 sacrificing some of the plane buffs, the aa increase 4pt captains skill is my only 4pt skill. This works quite fine, so that i get rarely oneshotted anymore, however Midway has almost the same aa as essex, but stronger planes, so not sure how it works out there...

[nellieder]

just give it to all USN ships as a national flavor ability :>

 

as a cv captain i have to strongly disagree 

[Wo_9]

 

as a cv captain i have to strongly disagree 

 

they would have to nerf ijn AA though thus making them even easier targets :> 

[Kenjister]

CVs are already a hard enough target to kill as is, Defensive Fire would simply make them unkillable.

 

High tier might be heavily biased towards CV assassination, but that changes in a 2v2 situation. Not quite as lopsided.

 

At lower tiers it's near impossible to make killing USN CV worth it because they have great AA and poor offensive capability. Lexington is a great example of a ship that's easier to shut down in the sky than by sinking.

[_Zergling]

Why not just remove it from the game entirely Kappa