dseehafer

The complete "What's the difference" and "Size Comparison" series

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Greetings all,

 

    So like i did with my ADLA series I shall be putting all of my "Whats the difference??" series in one place as well. With the intention of making them easier for you lot to find and access. The series has skyrocketed and has surpassed all of my expectations. I shall continue to do 1-4 warships classes a day for as long as there are classes of warships with minute aesthetical and tactical differences. 

 

NOTE: This series will not include every correct term for every device/ finder/ structure/ deck on every ship. This series is meant to provide simple everyday terms so that everyone can better locate and understand the differences in each ship. if an object looks like a "box" I will call it a "box", similarily if a deck/ structure looks like a "room" I will call it a "room". This should, again, make objects easier to locate for the AVERAGE non-naval expert to locate.

 

ENJOY! - dseehafer

 

KRIEGSMARINE / KAISERLICHE MARINE

 

Bismarck class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64261-whats-the-difference-bismarck-class/page__fromsearch__1

 

Scharnhorst class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64328-whats-the-difference-scharnhorst-class/

 

Deutschland class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64382-whats-the-difference-deutschland-class/

 

Leipzig class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64400-whats-the-difference-leipzig-class/

 

K-class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64510-whats-the-deiiference-k-class/

 

Admiral Hipper class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64846-whats-the-difference-admiral-hipper-class/

 

Derfflinger class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65026-whats-the-difference-derfflinger-class/

 

 

IMPERIAL JAPANESE NAVY

 

Yamato class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64548-whats-the-difference-yamato-class/

 

Fuso class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64243-whats-the-difference-fuso-class/

 

Kongo class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64343-whats-the-difference-kongo-class/

 

Takao class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64601-whats-the-difference-takao-class/

 

Nagato class  - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64770-whats-the-difference-nagato-class/

 

Agano class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65062-whats-the-difference-agano-class/

 

Kuma class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65092-whats-the-difference-kuma-class/

 

Sendai class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65179-whats-the-difference-sendai-class/

 

 

ROYAL NAVY

 

R-class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64706-whats-the-difference-r-class/

 

Queen Elizabeth class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65050-whats-the-difference-queen-elizabeth-class/

 

 

REGIA MARINA

 

Littorio class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64631-whats-the-difference-littorio-class/

 

Zara class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65924-whats-the-difference-zara-class/

 

Doria and Cavour classes - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/68147-whats-the-difference-doria-and-cavour-sub-classes/

 

Trento class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/68395-whats-the-difference-trento-class/

 

 

MARINE NATIONALE

 

Dunkerque class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/64973-whats-the-difference-dunkerque-class/

 

Richelieu class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/79404-whats-the-difference-richelieu-class/

 

 

UNITED STATES NAVY

 

New York class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/65274-whats-the-difference-new-york-class/

 

Colorado class - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/66919-whats-the-difference-colorado-class/

 

 

SHIP CLASSES THAT WILL NOT BE REVIEWED (because there either are no differences or the differences are so slim that they are not easily picked out in photographs and/ or are indistinguishable in all but the most minor details)

 

Iowa class (minor difference: BB-64 Wisconsin is 2' longer than her sisters, all had slightly different bridge strucutures during the war)

 

Tone class

 

North Carolina class (minor difference: North Carolina has a small viewing platform about halfway up her bridge tower that is not present on Washington)

 

Nelson class

 

King George V class

 

Mogami class (minor difference: Mogami was converted into a cruiser/seaplane carrier hybrid in 1944 which saw the removal of her rear 2 turrets which were replaced by a flight deck)

 

Java class

 

Lexington class

 

 

SHIP MODELS IN GAME THAT ARE NOT THE NAME SHIP OF THEIR CLASS (In other words what a ship is called in game compared to the sister ship its rendered after)

 

Kongo = Hiei

Wyoming = Arkansas

New York = Texas

Kuma = Tama

Atago = Takao

Iowa = Wisconsin (Final hull)

Lexington = Saratoga

Karlsruhe = Dresden II

 

 

SHIP MODELS IN GAME THAT NEED UPDATING AND/OR CORRECTIONS

 

Tirpitz - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/110475-tirpitzs-model-could-use-an-update/

Tirpitz 2 - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/120709-tirpitz-needs-to-be-lowered-to-match-her-historical-waterline/page__st__20

Furutaka - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/111429-furutakas-model-could-use-an-update/

 

 

 

 

SIZE COMPARISONS

 

All Ships - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/107820-size-comparison-all-ships/

All Battleships - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/106087-size-comparison-all-battleships-update/

All Cruisers - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/106738-size-comparison-all-cruisers-20/

All Aircraft Carriers - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/106981-size-comparison-all-aircraft-carriers-20/page__fromsearch__1

All Destroyers - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/107338-size-comparison-all-destroyers/

 

 

3D SIZE COMPARISONS

 

800+ foot Battleships - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/119319-three-dimensional-size-comparison-battleships-the-800-foot-club/

USN Treaty Battleships and Iowa - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/119381-3d-size-comparison-usn-treaty-battleships-and-iowa/

V-25 and Kurfurst - http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/120650-3d-size-comparison-david-and-goliath-v-25-and-kurfurst/

 

 

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Definitely like this series.

I'm pretty sure you have the Kongos, Nagatos, Fubukis, Tenryus, etc on your plate too.


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Definitely like this series.

I'm pretty sure you have the Kongos, Nagatos, Fubukis, Tenryus, etc on your plate too.

 

Already did the kongo's... dont know why i didnt put them up... Im currently gathering sources for a nagato vs Mutsu. There are too many Fubuki's to do a WTD on. Destroyers in genreal... Im trying to limmit classes of 6 or less.  Edited by dseehafer

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It makes me wonder how long would it take to do the Fletcher class then, so many ships, so many of them identical as well...o3o, but differences do exist. 

 

Already did the kongo's... dont know why i didnt put them up... Im currently gathering sources for a nagato vs Mutsu. There are too many Fubuki's to do a WTD on. Destroyers in genreal... Im trying to limmit classes of 6 or less. 

 


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added a list of ship classes that will not be reviewed because they posses too few distinguishing features from eachother (they all look alike)

 

Note: this list will grow larger as i find sources for more classes.

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Already did the kongo's... dont know why i didnt put them up... Im currently gathering sources for a nagato vs Mutsu. There are too many Fubuki's to do a WTD on. Destroyers in genreal... Im trying to limmit classes of 6 or less. 

 

Ah, understood.

Least with the Fubukis, I could suggest the major subtypes.  Toku I (Fubuki), II (Ayanami), and III (Akatsuki). 


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added new category "marine nationale" (France) and added the Dunkerque class.


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aded a section that tells what a ship is called in game, and gives the sister ship that is actually rendered in game, ill continue to update it as i find more.


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Ummm, actually the Iowas have some very significant and obvious differences between them during the war, for example, the bridge structure varies between all four of them rather significantly with only Missouri and Wisconsin having *similar* but not identical bridges (Iowa - fully exposed conning tower with external walk-around bridge and taller conning tower, New Jersey - rounded bridge front, Missouri and Wisconsin finally have the squared off bridges that all Iowas gained post-war)  There are also differences in the 40mm layout.  Significant enough that it may well be of interest to explore.


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Ummm, actually the Iowas have some very significant and obvious differences between them during the war, for example, the bridge structure varies between all four of them rather significantly with only Missouri and Wisconsin having *similar* but not identical bridges (Iowa - fully exposed conning tower with external walk-around bridge and taller conning tower, New Jersey - rounded bridge front, Missouri and Wisconsin finally have the squared off bridges that all Iowas gained post-war)  There are also differences in the 40mm layout.  Significant enough that it may well be of interest to explore.

 

The problem with the Iowa's is that not many schematics or images exist of them during the war (which is why i will not do them also because most of their structural uniqueness, as you mentioned, was for the most part destroyed after the war. Also i only count structural differences, AA and radar/ finder mounts change so often they are not worth keeping track of. Ill continue to dig for schematics and sources, but until then i cannot to a WTD on the Iowas. I hope you understand, but keep your eyes peeled for the future. ;)

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Be sure to check back often! i add new ships classes everyday as well as update the classes i will not be doing, Also i will continue to update my list of sister ships we have modelled in game that are not the name ship of their class, as i find them.


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Now THIS thread, this one definitely should belong in the historical discussion thread. Not in general.


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Now THIS thread, this one definitely should belong in the historical discussion thread. Not in general.

 

this one was sticky'd the same time as the ADLA series mate.

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Also, I'm not sure if you did it or are considering it, but the Cleveland class. There are two distinct subclasses of the Cleveland, not including the Fargo subclass. You have the Cleveland (round/closed bridge) and the Flint/Vincennes (square/open bridge) subclasses. Maybe you could do this one as well?


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Also, I'm not sure if you did it or are considering it, but the Cleveland class. There are two distinct subclasses of the Cleveland, not including the Fargo subclass. You have the Cleveland (round/closed bridge) and the Flint/Vincennes (square/open bridge) subclasses. Maybe you could do this one as well?

 

Way too many ships in the class, as Dee is trying not to go into ships with more than 4 to the class.  Considering the Cleveland class has some 20+ ships in it, and each chunk of production will have notable differences.

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Way too many ships in the class, as Dee is trying not to go into ships with more than 4 to the class.  Considering the Cleveland class has some 20+ ships in it, and each chunk of production will have notable differences.

 

Exactly, there are several subclasses. for example USS Duluth featured a square bridge, and the location of the 127's was changed several times... that being sais.. i have been collecting sources on the different cleveland sub classes.. so dont exnay them just yet.

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Exactly, there are several subclasses. for example USS Duluth featured a square bridge, and the location of the 127's was changed several times... that being sais.. i have been collecting sources on the different cleveland sub classes.. so dont exnay them just yet.

 

Actually every Cleveland after CL-64 USS Vincennes featured a square, or "open" bridge. But from what I can tell from the research I've put in to it (I'm building a model of the Miami... Takes lots of time staring at pictures to find the exact perfect spot where the 2nd door on the  2 deck on the port side of the aft superstructure goes) the 5in turret placements didn't change all that much except between the round bridge and square bridge builds. The superstructure also did change slightly (aside from the bridge shapes) during the round-square bridge change. Mostly above the level below the bridge deck is where the most change was from what I've seen. The Mk 34 and Mk 37 director placements changed many times between ships sometimes with the Mk 34 main battery director being above the Mk 37 5 inch director and sometimes it was the opposite. I know the outfit of 20mms and the number of quad and dual 40mms changed constantly  in the earlier Clevelands the area between the stacks was the boat deck but that was later deleted to reduce top weight and instead the design was changed to two sets of boat davits on the sides with whale boats suspended. The lack of boats was supplemented by the addition of many, many rafts in many places (under the catapult, hanging from the railings, where the boat deck was, etc). The type of crane used changed constantly between ships as did the location of floater net baskets. On the boat deck equipped ships, a midships crane was used. This was later deleted when the boat deck was phased out. The radar fit was constantly changed as well between ships. Although this had more to do with upgrades and what radar was being used at the time. Earlier ships sometimes used the SC-2. The majority are seen with the large SK array and towards the end of the war and after the circular SK-2 was seen. Extending from the main masts were two smaller masts which usually held SG radar antennas on top. 

 

I'm not doubting you. I know there were many changes between ships but in general this is what I've found as an amateur researcher doing research for an intensive and relatively accurate build. 


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UPDATE: removed "Konigsberg=Koln", as of 5.6.0 Konigsberg is actually the Konigsberg and no longer koln.

 

 

Note: Karlsruhe B is no longer Karlsruhe, still trying to find the ship she's madelled after.


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