About CV 'truces'

[Lert]

In a match today, this happened:

 

Names blacked out to protect the morally ambiguous. Unedited screenshot sent to support in a ticket.

 

So I got to thinking about the concept of CV truces like this one.

 

Now, I know that nobody can tell someone else how to play their game, and if a CV wants to forego attacking his opposite number in order to concentrate on hunting ships instead, that is perfectly fine and acceptable. If that's what they want to do, more power to them.

 

My opinion:  to openly make a truce with the opposing number to ignore eachother? That just reeks of battle rigging to me. Making pacts with the enemy team is definitely against the spirit of the game, and depending on your interpretation of the rules of the game, also breaking of those.

 

I know this is not a new thing that's happening, it has been happening for as long as this game has had CV's, but being so confronted by it now made me write a thread.

 

There are those who might argue there's nothing wrong with it and that it isn't breaking any rules because it isn't specifically stated in the rules that "thou shalt not make a truce with the other team's carrier", but IMO that's just grasping for straws and creating loopholes where none exist or are intended.

 

IMO It shouldn't be that a player can / should be allowed to arrange with the enemy team to remove the biggest threat to their ship's hitpoints.

 

Ofcourse, policing CV truces is a different matter entirely, as only meticulously looking at every match' chat log or relying on other players reports and doublechecking the data would bring CV truces to light, but still ...

 

Any other opinions?

[bad_arcade_kitty]

you simply tk your cv then

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai]

you simply tk your cv then

Never the answer.

 

As a Zuiho or Hosho vs Bogue I often wished for this, but if I'm being honest it's wrong: both sides should play to their best for their team.

[byronicasian]

Depends. Is it an informal MAD truce or openly announced.

[StationaryAA]

Tell their team where your cv is camping at.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

Making deals with the enemy team is rigging and rigging is banned 

 

you simply tk your cv then

 

Also for you 

3.15. Threats of destroying allied player ships as well as the threats of disclosure of ally positions to enemies, regardless of whether the threat was carried out, or not, are prohibited.

3.21. Any kind of provocations for other players to violate the EULA as well as additions to it is strictly prohibited.

5.01. Intentionally damaging ships belonging to a player on the same team (team damage).

[LittleWhiteMouse]

It's a slippery slope.  This speaks a lot to the current CV-meta, where the primary threat to carriers is only other carriers.  It's only in the latter stages of the match where they need to be wary of destroyers (should they survive).  If there was ever an open need for submarines with "special" deployment, it would be if these truces were considered legal.

[RogueFlameHaze]

My favorite CV's are the ones that say ok then immediately strike the other CV that didn't expect it to come because they 'agreed'

[Nachoo31]

You move your AA to some where else I guess. Since they aren't attacking each other.

[Compassghost]

I should just go in there and break truces and make no one trust each other. 

[Nachoo31]

Dev in a Sub shows up and sinks you and 1 week ban.  Just think all the peeps that would do something just to see the sub.

[PelicanHazard]

I voted "Morally ambiguous, legally fine" because I don't know the EULA at all, so I don't know if there's language in there that can be applied. If so, I would have voted "totally wrong".

 

I don't like it, but if it happens I wouldn't TK (probably would report) and I'd just hope they sink enough reds where we can win.

 

Mind you, I'd only report if it was explicit in All chat; if they're simply in some non-communicating standoff I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

I should just go in there and break truces and make no one trust each other. 

 

Please do. The prisoner's dilemma needs to be forced to where truces are impossible since no one would trust the other.

[FirstOfOne]

CV sniping is not fun game play. Cv truces are rigging but what needs to be done is fix the meta through balancing.

 

increase CV AAA quite a bit and/or give them defensive fire.

[baxter_105]

 Dev in a Sub shows up and sinks you and 1 week ban.  Just think all the peeps that would do something just to see the sub. 

 

What? I don't get it. Please explain.

[Compassghost]

CV sniping is not fun game play. Cv truces are rigging but what needs to be done is fix the meta through balancing.

 

increase CV AAA quite a bit and/or give them defensive fire.

 

I haven't been sniped in ages. Anyone who tries to do so will be gloriously punished by a hail of barrages, and the tears represented by the flaming wreckage of the destroyed bombers crashing into the water.

 

 

sort of like my signature 

 

 

[Shadowrigger1]

I'd sink my teams CV. if he doesn't want to help the team win the right way, who needs him.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

CV sniping is not fun game play. Cv truces are rigging but what needs to be done is fix the meta through balancing.

 

increase CV AAA quite a bit and/or give them defensive fire.

 

Is the example the OP posted a truce about not carrier sniping or not interfering with each others strikes? 

[Compassghost]

 

Is the example the OP posted a truce about not carrier sniping or not interfering with each others strikes? 

 

 

Likely both. I.E. basically the two carriers are playing Ace Combat and the ships are targets.

[TheStarSlayer]

Well since they already initiated parley the rest of the teams could always arrange safe conduct for DDs to come sink them instead. 

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

 

Likely both. I.E. basically the two carriers are playing Ace Combat and the ships are targets.

 

Thats what I figured, carrier sniping is definitely not fun but at the same time just leaving your team to get carrier sniped while you try and out damage the enemy carrier is not ethical. 

[Hanz_Gooblemienhoffen_42]

I think it really speaks to the fact that CVs (some what like arty in WOT) basically plays a different game then the rest of the fleet.

 

The fact that its even possible do that, due to the nature of the game they are playing, speaks to an issue.

 

If CVs started torpedoing themselves at end of matches so as to escape the wraith of the OPFor that would be just perfect and WOT-ish..

 

In the end ..its certainly not in the "spirit" of a fair and open competition..i mean how would people feel if BBs did the same thing?

 

its not right, would be great if people just didn't do it...but not sure how to punish it?

 

Really prior to this post, i had heard of this but never experienced it personally in game.

 

 

[Sir_Robert_Whitney]

Well when I first played CVs... I don't really, only at tier 5, it was and still is the case that the CVs usually don't go for one another. It is not agreed in chat or anything... more of just a mutual respect. Once one guy sends his bombers anywhere near the enemy CV though, all gloves are off. None of this was ever agreed, it just seemed to be the way it was. I didnt attack him, he didnt attack me.

 

Is that wrong, I don't think so.

[Mogdatix]

 

Thats what I figured, carrier sniping is definitely not fun but at the same time just leaving your team to get carrier sniped while you try and out damage the enemy carrier is not ethical. 

 

See I don't get this "carrier sniping is not fun" business. Is their "fun" more important than their target's fun?

[Compassghost]

I don't snipe carriers at all. I kill their planes and farm AA flags :V

 

I find more practical enjoyment from deleting an Air Force than I do just hitting a ship. Most people can hit a ship. But delete 3 squadrons flying 3 different directions with 1 barrage? JENGAAAAAA

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

See I don't get this "carrier sniping is not fun" business. Is their "fun" more important than their target's fun?

 

Its a game, people play it to have fun, getting killed at the very beginning is not fun no matter if it was being deleted by TBs in the first couple minutes or getting detonated by the first hit you take. People dont play games they dont enjoy.