New York aiming is terrible

[Bandeeto]

NUG here but I wanted to put up a post to let the other new guys know that it gets better.  I started up the American BB line and was really enjoying myself. Until the New York....I could not hit the broadside of the barn with those guns. 1/2 of a salvo would go long, the other 1/2 short, everything would land all around my enemy, occasionally i would get 1 hit.  I seriously started to question if I had any idea what I was doing.  I would go back into the Wyoming just to prove to myself I knew what the hell was going on. Or the St Louis if was really down on myself.

 

I searched the posts here and couldn't find anything that said that it wasn't me and it would improve (most of the posts around the New York are from older patches so I think it isn't as relevant)  

 

I painfully slugged through it and got my New Mexico fearing more of the same and a pending uninstall of the game.

 

1st shot out of my basic New Mexico with my 50% captain and I citadeled a Cleveland for a ton of his health... Since playing it more it isn't a fluke. The guns on the New York are just horrible. Its not YOU!!! Im landing 3X to 4X as many rounds with the New Mexico vs the New York. Grind through that POS then burn it to the ground!!

 

Chins Up!!

 

-Bandeeto

 

 

[Carrier_Taiyo]

Get closer. It means you're firing from too far away.

[_Bruiser_]

typical.....i'm guessing u are a back of the map sniper eh? playing ur ship to its advantages produces more dmh,exp,kills. take the NY right to them, use ur armor, then close range shots will hit more often.

 

Very basic really. way too many ppl play the back line sniper bb

[Bandeeto]

It didn't matter and that's why I put up this PSA. The Wyoming doesn't have the issue and the New Mexico doesn't either.  Anything short of 6km and you miss a ton. Dont even try to aim at a DD and CAs will tear you down before you can close the range and when and if you do you get torped.  If you don't believe me go play one in this latest patch. Its no fun and frustrating... The ship before and the ship after are big happy faces here.

 

And HELLS NO to the Sniper Nonsense....I like to get my hands dirty

 

Forgive me for trying to help...Do you get a kick  out of bumping your post count with useless L2P comments?

 

[Spongeman131]

 

Inb4 someone calls out stats from a tracking website.

 

And no, I don't condone stats reading to stroke ones ego.

 

[Ice_GopherFC]

It didn't matter and that's why I put up this PSA. The Wyoming doesn't have the issue and the New Mexico doesn't either.  Anything short of 6km and you miss a ton. Dont even try to aim at a DD and CAs will tear you down before you can close the range and when and if you do you get torped.  If you don't believe me go play one in this latest patch. Its no fun and frustrating... The ship before and the ship after are big happy faces here.

 

And HELLS NO to the Sniper Nonsense....I like to get my hands dirty

 

Forgive me for trying to help...Do you get a kick  out of bumping your post count with useless L2P comments?

 

 

Do you get a kick out of being disrespectful to players who are much more experienced and know what they are talking about?  They aren't useless "L2P" comments, they gave you advice on what you should be doing with all US BBs, getting in and slugging it out using your armor angled.  There is obviously something you aren't doing in your NY to play to it's strengths or you'd be doing much better in it, as it can routinely wreck higher tiered BBs in skilled hands.

[Bandeeto]

My comment was directed at this :

typical.....i'm guessing u are a back of the map sniper eh? playing ur ship to its advantages produces more dmh,exp,kills. take the NY right to them, use ur armor, then close range shots will hit more often.

 

Very basic really. way too many ppl play the back line sniper bb

 

That first sentence is all L2P.  I'm not here to get in a pissing match about how elite captains can use a paperboat with a BB gun strapped to it and sink a Yamato. My post is sfor the other new players like myself who will find the New York very frustrating.  I came on here and did the research about how to play it and it still drove me crazy.  That's why I know that there isn't any post about how this is going to be a PITA ship for new players.

[SkyRail]

so before you guys start arguing...Lets look at Bandeeto's stat.

He has 23% and 24% hit while commanding the Wyoming and New Mexico (not impressive, but pretty average imo), yet only 20% in a New York.

So it may be true that NY has bad guns....or you don't quite match NY and should use other ships that make you happier

[MrDeaf]

Yeah, I didn't like NY either.

[Eisennagel]

 

I am thinking of skipping the NY and XP directly to the New Mexico.

[Diefoodie]

I actually enjoy the NY but interestingly both my Wyoming and New Mex stats are better (although I just unlocked New Mex so not a good sample).  I think it's speed might be it's issue more than it's guns.  My survival rate is actually better than the Wyoming but damage and win rate are worse.  I think maybe at tier 5 you see a lot faster ships so it's harder to close.  Where can you view your hit rate?  Didn't find that statistic on warship stats.  I wonder if my hit rate is similar between the wyoming and NY.   I will say the New Mexico's guns are noticeably better but that's to be expected with the triple turrets.  

[Fondles]

My comment was directed at this :

 

That first sentence is all L2P.  I'm not here to get in a pissing match about how elite captains can use a paperboat with a BB gun strapped to it and sink a Yamato. My post is sfor the other new players like myself who will find the New York very frustrating.  I came on here and did the research about how to play it and it still drove me crazy.  That's why I know that there isn't any post about how this is going to be a PITA ship for new players.

 

Personally, I agree with you somewhat.  I'm only halfway grinding through this ship (have the final hull mod left to research) and I'm finding it to be kind of disappointing.  With it's slow speed, low range and (rather) poor accuracy, it feels kind of weak after the Wyoming.  Even the turret arrangement is frustrating, forcing you to turn particularly wide to fire a full broadside (the rear turret closest to the middle doesn't have great angles) when steaming TOWARDS enemies.  Compared to the Kongo it's a little frustrating to play.  That said, it's really not a horrible ship.  It does have good armor and a lot of firepower so it punishes things that get within its effective firing range.  

[Enforcer017]

Ice_GopherFC, OP is right. New York sucks compared to Wyoming and New Mex. I looked at your own stats, and you do good in the New York, but your average damage is higher in both Wyoming and New Mex. So it looks like the same tactics work even better with the ships above and below it.

 

You can check your accuracy stats on worldofwarships.com. the overview gives you combined main gun, secondary, and torpedo accuracy. Detailed stats give you the breakdown for each, and under warships you can check your accuracy with each ship.

 

[Diefoodie]

Ice_GopherFC, OP is right. New York sucks compared to Wyoming and New Mex. I looked at your own stats, and you do good in the New York, but your average damage is higher in both Wyoming and New Mex. So it looks like the same tactics work even better with the ships above and below it.

 

You can check your accuracy stats on worldofwarships.com. the overview gives you combined main gun, secondary, and torpedo accuracy. Detailed stats give you the breakdown for each, and under warships you can check your accuracy with each ship.

 

Appreciate the tip for checking accuracy stats.  What's even more interesting is looking at my coop stats where engagements seem to be much closer in the NY (I think a big part of that is the map rotations).  I think I'll make a more conscious effort to get in close when I take her out again.  My buddy should be unlocking NY soon so I won't be giving my New Mex all the attention.  

[thegamefilmguruman]

I love my New York.  I actually kept it after getting my New Mexico.  I still play it every now and then (it saw a lot of use getting the ARP Kongo).  I loved Wyoming, but I like NY just a little bit better.  I didn't keep my Wyoming.  You have to angle and get close like others have said, but to each their own.  I enjoy it.

 

[Focke66]

All USN Battleships suffer from gun anemia. its almost like a silly gag joke, still waiting for the BAZINGA!!! Here are your real guns now!!

 

[Syvarris]

This post is interesting, because as long as we're citing anecdotal evidence here, I used my New York to complete the cruiser kill mission for the Kongou, as I found it a masterful cruiser killer. Perhaps RNGsus was simply not on your side? Unlikely for 45-60k experience needed to unlock the New Mexico but not entirely impossible. Just feel like the evidence is somewhat anecdotal for a complete dismissal of the ship as a whole.

 

 

Edited for grammatical and punctuation errors. 

[Eisennagel]

 

Don't. Learning to deal with that useless middle turret is an important part of learning to play American BBs. It essentially forces you to learn how to angle and when.

 

 

I already did skipped it.  The New Mex is truly a wonderful ship.  I lost interest in playing BBs thanks to the Wyoming but the New Mex helps rekindle it.  It certainly helped me in the road to get my ARP Kongo.  As for middle turrets, I have to deal with it with my Fuso, also a wonderful ship.  

 

I wonder how many people went playing cruisers like me because the early battleships were a turn off.  

 

I may rebuy the New York later though, since I do love playing mid tiers and not having the New York feels incomplete.  I noticed I actually played better on the early battleships after I relearned the habit by playing on higher tier battleships, which in this case, by practicing on my Tirpitz and Warspite.

 

 

[Neph]

IMO NY is a peice of garbage.

I've done great in Myogi, Kongo, Fuso, Wyoming and New Mexico. 60k+ damage averages, 60-odd% winrates for the most part...

 

All except NY.

 

You have 10 guns, 2 more than a Kongo, but your RoF is slower so it's basically equal firepower but with worse angles. Your armor is not better by enough, and made up for by being less maneuverable so angling is tougher (plus again, gun arcs). You're 2/3rds as fast, and your weapons have greater dispersion. You have a weaker secondary battery.

 

The New York literally does nothing better than a Kongo. At least Fuso and New Mexico have dramatically different playstyles. Makes me wish for Nevada as Tier 5 a lot more, as I free XP'd through NY after feeling the suckage.

 

Hell, the fact that For NY, your main battery mod increases your gun range to merely be 'less than Kongo', while for Kongo it increases accuracy, that's crazy. You gain literally nothing in comparison to your other potential choice.

[El_Swamp_Rat]

I'm kinda a new player but I like the New York so far. 40 kills in 35 battles with a hit ratio of 27%. It has good range so I stay out somewhat. Just got the New Mexico and it has no upgrades so it may be better, idk.

[nobrason1]

same problem as the op, shells from the same gun fall short and the other goes long. even shooting at a target that is not moving i'm lucky to have 2-3 shells from a full salvo hit. didnt have this problem with the other two. i often have shells go wild left or right even at 5-6 km. i also like to get into a fight and not sniper fight..i'm happy to hear it gets better, this New York has me about to stop playing a battleship. I'm pretty new to the game but had good success with battleships until this New York. even my wife has noticed how bad it is.

[Thraxian]

typical.....i'm guessing u are a back of the map sniper eh? playing ur ship to its advantages produces more dmh,exp,kills. take the NY right to them, use ur armor, then close range shots will hit more often.

 

Very basic really. way too many ppl play the back line sniper bb

 

So what do you do when you're 'taking it to them' and your escort of 2 cruisers, a DD and another BB run away the second they come under fire and abandon you vs 6 opponents? You get lots of damage that way? Thought not.

[TenguBlade]

New York's problem is not so much its guns as the fact that it punishes stupidity very heavily.  The Myogi and Wyoming don't have the dispersion and/or broadside size to accurately land enough citadels to nuke you, but the Kongo, Texas, and New York do, not to mention you can see T6 and T7 battleships that are capable of wiping you out in a single salvo.  I never had issues hitting stuff with my New York once I got into effective range (about 10km), but the problem was getting into that range without being vaporized.

 

I was up to the Amagi in the IJN line by this point, so I had more of an idea of what I was doing compared to people who started the USN BB line first, but that really doesn't make approaching in the New York too much easier.

[devastator5000]

 

 

I already did skipped it.  The New Mex is truly a wonderful ship.  I lost interest in playing BBs thanks to the Wyoming but the New Mex helps rekindle it.  It certainly helped me in the road to get my ARP Kongo.  As for middle turrets, I have to deal with it with my Fuso, also a wonderful ship.  

 

I wonder how many people went playing cruisers like me because the early battleships were a turn off.  

 

I may rebuy the New York later though, since I do love playing mid tiers and not having the New York feels incomplete.  I noticed I actually played better on the early battleships after I relearned the habit by playing on higher tier battleships, which in this case, by practicing on my Tirpitz and Warspite.

 

 

 

Free XP ships isnt smart at times, for one I loved my NY while she was a pain she was reliable it taught me to know my limits in USN BBs are how to play of of them, its greatly helped me in my NM in ways I cannot describe. 

 

Though to quantify it I got a 100k damage match in a Stock NM in a T7 match, I dont think I could have done that without the NY

[Exciton8964]

I agree it is straight up worse than Kongo. But I don't think the ship is so bad that you need to free exp past it.