333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #1 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Hi all, First, WoT and WoWS are the only on-line games I play and I very much enjoy both. Second, this is not a rant. I am only expressing my thoughts and, from what I can tell by in-game chat, the feelings of some others players. I have a keen interest in military and naval history. With respect to WoWS, I know a lot about the history of the ships in the game. For many of the IJN, Imperial German, Imperial Russian, and USN ships I know the historical place these ships had in the development of their specific navies and those ship's types. I know many of their historical specifications, design considerations, and actual performance. For the most part, I enjoy the game because of its historical references and I can live with the fact that almost all aspects of historical ship capabilities have been modified in the interest of game play; though, I often think that some of the modifications are not justified. But, the one thing that really bothers me is the influence of anime cartoon ships on the game. Yesterday, I heard of an ARP Myoko and was disturbed that cartoons may become a growing influence and destroy the historical aspects of the game. To those who will point out that in WoT there are fictional tanks, I get that and I don't like it either. I think it cheapens that game. I am fine with tanks that were designed but never made it into production; but, those completely fictional ones with dogs as crew members are ridiculous. I sincerely hope that WoWS will not go down the path of fictional or cartoon influenced ships. If I wanted to play a made-up, fantasy game, there are lots of other choices. What do others think? Edited January 4, 2016 by baxter_105 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,028 J30_Reinhardt Alpha Tester 10,267 posts 4,608 battles Report post #2 Posted January 4, 2016 1. You don't have to enable the 'cartoon ships'. It won't affect you in any way whatsoever. 2. Re-read #1. 3. Get over it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,605 [O_O] desmo_2 Members 7,944 posts 22,464 battles Report post #3 Posted January 4, 2016 Don't opt for the Japenese port (what's it called???) and you will never see the cartoon ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #4 Posted January 4, 2016 3. Get over it. Why? I have as much right to express my opinion and vote with my dollars as anyone else. Are you suggesting that my right to freedom of speech and action is not acceptable? I think you are in the wrong here. A great French philosopher, Voltaire, said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Maybe you should respect the rights and opinions of others. If you disagree, state the reasons that compel you to disagree. If everyone accepted the status quo, our great Republic would never have been created. 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
256 [WOLF8] MikeLWX Members 381 posts 9,820 battles Report post #5 Posted January 4, 2016 People forget that respecting someone's opinion is not the same thing as agreeing with that opinion. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,513 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,124 posts 42,465 battles Report post #6 Posted January 4, 2016 I'm with the OP. Just because you can ignore them doesn't change the FACT that WG is wasting resources on these ridiculous cartoon ships. Resources that could be better used on pretty much anything else that would improve the game itself, i.e. fixing bugs, adding new features, adding new ship lines, etc. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
855 Carrier_Taiyo Beta Testers 2,420 posts 1,809 battles Report post #7 Posted January 4, 2016 Why? I have as much right to express my opinion and vote with my dollars as anyone else. Are you suggesting that my right to freedom of speech and action is not acceptable? I think you are in the wrong here. A great French philosopher, Voltaire, said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Maybe you should respect the rights and opinions of others. If you disagree, state the reasons that compel you to disagree. If everyone accepted the status quo, our great Republic would never have been created. If you don't want to see the "Cartoon ships," then don't enable the mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,513 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,124 posts 42,465 battles Report post #8 Posted January 4, 2016 People forget that respecting someone's opinion is not the same thing as agreeing with that opinion. It's not so much respecting someone's opinion as respecting their right to HAVE an opinion. I can tell you that there are plenty of people whose opinions I most certainly do NOT agree with nor respect, though I respect their right to have one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
855 Carrier_Taiyo Beta Testers 2,420 posts 1,809 battles Report post #9 Posted January 4, 2016 I'm with the OP. Just because you can ignore them doesn't change the FACT that WG is wasting resources on these ridiculous cartoon ships. Resources that could be better used on pretty much anything else that would improve the game itself, i.e. fixing bugs, adding new features, adding new ship lines, etc. They said it is intended as a for of advertising. In other words, the resources used to make it will pay for themselves. ...And, just how much do you think a handful of inexpensive reskins ad a list of missions costs, anyways? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #10 Posted January 4, 2016 If you don't want to see the "Cartoon ships," then don't enable the mode. I get that; but, you are missing the point. The point is their influence in the game just by the fact that they are in the game. I'm with the OP. Just because you can ignore them doesn't change the FACT that WG is wasting resources on these ridiculous cartoon ships. Resources that could be better used on pretty much anything else that would improve the game itself, i.e. fixing bugs, adding new features, adding new ship lines, etc. That is another very valid point. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,028 J30_Reinhardt Alpha Tester 10,267 posts 4,608 battles Report post #11 Posted January 4, 2016 Why? I have as much right to express my opinion and vote with my dollars as anyone else. Are you suggesting that my right to freedom of speech and action is not acceptable? I think you are in the wrong here. A great French philosopher, Voltaire, said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Maybe you should respect the rights and opinions of others. If you disagree, state the reasons that compel you to disagree. If everyone accepted the status quo, our great Republic would never have been created. No. I'm saying that people keep complaining about a non issue that doesn't affect you SINCE YOU DONT HAVE TO FREAKING PLAY IT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,466 [KTKM] IKU19 Beta Testers 4,633 posts 4,076 battles Report post #12 Posted January 4, 2016 WoWS is about as historically accurate as my aiming. 30% 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
843 [TIF] EvilBrokenCaptain Alpha Tester 1,312 posts 4,574 battles Report post #13 Posted January 4, 2016 Hi all, First, WoT and WoWS are the only on-line games I play and I very much enjoy both. Second, this is not a rant. I am only expressing my thoughts and, from what I can tell by in-game chat, the feelings of some others players. I have a keen interest in military and naval history. With respect to WoWS, I know a lot about the history of the ships in the game. For many of the IJN, Imperial German, Imperial Russian, and USN ships I know the historical place these ships had in the development of their specific navies and those ship's types. I know many of their historical specifications, design considerations, and actual performance. For the most part, I enjoy the game because of its historical references and I can live with the fact that almost all aspects of historical ship capabilities have been modified in the interest of game play; though, I often think that some of the modifications are not justified. But, the one thing that really bothers me is the influence of anime cartoon ships on the game. Yesterday, I heard of an ARP Myoko and was disturbed that cartoons may become a growing influence and destroy the historical aspects of the game. To those who will point out that in WoT there are fictional tanks, I get that and I don't like it either. I think it cheapens that game. I am fine with tanks that were designed but never made it into production; but, those completely fictional ones with dogs as crew members are ridiculous. I sincerely hope that WoWS will not go down the path of fictional or cartoon influenced ships. If I wanted to play a made-up, fantasy game, there are lots of other choices. What do others think? As someone who used to work in a marketing department of an entertainment firm I can attest that if weren't for those animes that revolved around naval history, the player base for WoWs would be smaller. Those properties helped build interest and awareness in Naval history; a young audience that normally doesnt care about history. That's the power of pop culture that regular history documentaries could not effectively penetrate. Same rule applies to movies like Battleship (biggest reason why so many players are grinding for the Iowa battleship), Pearl Harbor, and a rumored Universal movie about the Bismark. Again, WG has stated that you have the option to see these skins and it's likely that you won't. Point is, to each their own and WG as a business will use any means to build their player base. Wargaming isnt a historical society it's entertainment enterprise. Thanks to pop culture entities like anime, movies, some games, and books; this is helping a player audience as a gateway drug to actual historical content. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,028 J30_Reinhardt Alpha Tester 10,267 posts 4,608 battles Report post #14 Posted January 4, 2016 I'm with the OP. Just because you can ignore them doesn't change the FACT that WG is wasting resources on these ridiculous cartoon ships. Resources that could be better used on pretty much anything else that would improve the game itself, i.e. fixing bugs, adding new features, adding new ship lines, etc. Yes, because I'm sure the programmers are also the same pixel-clickers that make skins LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #15 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) No. I'm saying that people keep complaining about a non issue that doesn't affect you SINCE YOU DONT HAVE TO FREAKING PLAY IT. Again, you missed the point. I am citing the fact that they exist in the game at all. By their very existence, they detract from the game, in my opinion. You keep stating what has already been pointed out and I keep stating my point which you keep missing. Since I have respect that you are intelligent, I conclude that you are trolling. Edited January 4, 2016 by baxter_105 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,466 [KTKM] IKU19 Beta Testers 4,633 posts 4,076 battles Report post #16 Posted January 4, 2016 You shouldn't see any of the ARP stuff if you're not using the ARP port, the missions do give a fair bit of resources so it's worth actually doing the missions. Based off the scope and previous Arpeggio events in other games... Sanzigen is probably paying WG to do this which in turn could speed up development. The event itself added a bunch of new systems including emissive textures, a fully functioning skinning system that can replace models and give special effects, an audio modding system which could be used to add national voices on a per-ship basis, and a unique commander system which works with the aforementioned audio modding system. So even if "the event is just wasted money" it added a lot of backend features that will be used for other things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,028 J30_Reinhardt Alpha Tester 10,267 posts 4,608 battles Report post #17 Posted January 4, 2016 Again, you missed the point. I am citing the fact that they exist in the game at all. By their very existence, they detract from the game, in my opinion. You keep stating what has already been pointed out and I keep stating my point which you keep missing. Since I have respect that you are intelligent, I conclude that you are trolling. No indeed I am not. I conclude that you don't like anime and refuse to allow it to be in your 'historical combat sim', which if you looked further into this game it is a far more cartoonish version of reality than even anime is at times. I fail to see how it 'detracts from the game' when it doesn't affect you in one way or the other and has not slowed progress on the next ship line, or other new content. So who's the troll then? Complaining just to complain? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #18 Posted January 4, 2016 So even if "the event is just wasted money" it added a lot of backend features that will be used for other things. Another excellent point. I wish some of the other posts on this topic were as thought provoking as this post. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7 BillBellamy Members 35 posts 324 battles Report post #19 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Why? I have as much right to express my opinion and vote with my dollars as anyone else. Are you suggesting that my right to freedom of speech and action is not acceptable? I think you are in the wrong here. A great French philosopher, Voltaire, said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Maybe you should respect the rights and opinions of others. If you disagree, state the reasons that compel you to disagree. If everyone accepted the status quo, our great Republic would never have been created. Well said and I agree with your OP as well. Anime wouldn't be so creepy if the focus wasn't on bug eyed, d cup, pre teen girls in very little clothing. That's not the message I would want daughters taking in as the way to be or to emulate in any way. Edited January 4, 2016 by BillBellamy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #20 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) refuse to allow it to be in your 'historical combat sim' First, as I said in my original post, or if can be inferred, I know this is not a "historical combat sim'. No arcade type game could be. It has been highly "play balanced". So again, you subvert what my post is about. Complaining just to complain? No. I stated my opinion to solicit intelligent discussion. Your tone and words do neither; that is why I conclude you are trolling. You also continue to be accusatory, focusing on your mis-interpretation of the post. Most of the other posters are adding to the discussion while you seem to just post to be argumentative in a childish way. I feel folks with your attitude and delivery style are illustrative of a segment of the population who incite and resort to inflammatory speech for no reason other than to create unnecessary drama. These actions do nothing to further the discussion. If you would debate the post and its points as opposed to be accusatory and resorting to what seem to be personal attacks, I think your opinions would carry more weight. BTW, there are a few people who have responded to this post in total agreement and lots of others who point out that there are some hidden benefits to the anime element in the game. Edited January 4, 2016 by baxter_105 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
116 ConquerorSEA_2014 Alpha Tester 645 posts 696 battles Report post #21 Posted January 4, 2016 I'm with the OP. Just because you can ignore them doesn't change the FACT that WG is wasting resources on these ridiculous cartoon ships. Resources that could be better used on pretty much anything else that would improve the game itself, i.e. fixing bugs, adding new features, adding new ship lines, etc. How much does the cartoon ships really affect the development of the game ?Its just re-skin of the existing ships without any special feature at all.Its not like the one who fix the bugs,adding new ships ,new features are involved in it at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,028 J30_Reinhardt Alpha Tester 10,267 posts 4,608 battles Report post #22 Posted January 4, 2016 First, as I said in my original post, or if can be inferred, I know this is not a "historical combat sim'. No arcade type game could be. It has been highly "play balanced". So again, you subvert what my post is about. No. I stated my opinion to solicit intelligent discussion. Your tone and words do neither; that is why I conclude you are trolling. You also continue to be accusatory, focusing on your mis-interpretation of the post. Most of the other posters are adding to the discussion while you are just trolling. Wallow in your own ignorance then if you can't understand English. Especially what 'get over it' means... which is a far cry from telling you not to post. How YOU misinterpreted that is beyond even me. There's nothing to add here that hasn't already been said in the past 2 weeks either bro. It's a complete non-issue. Doesn't affect anyone in anyway whatsoever. You just don't like anime. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
116 ConquerorSEA_2014 Alpha Tester 645 posts 696 battles Report post #23 Posted January 4, 2016 Well said and I agree with your OP as well. Anime wouldn't be so creepy if the focus wasn't on bug eyed, d cup, pre teen girls in very little clothing. That's not the message I would want daughters taking in as the way to be or to emulate in any way. That depend on which genre of anime you are talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 baxter_105 Members 500 posts 2,381 battles Report post #24 Posted January 4, 2016 Wallow in your own ignorance then if you can't understand English. Especially what 'get over it' means... which is a far cry from telling you not to post. How YOU misinterpreted that is beyond even me. There's nothing to add here that hasn't already been said in the past 2 weeks either bro. It's a complete non-issue. Doesn't affect anyone in anyway whatsoever. You just don't like anime. Your posts are really tiresome. You continue to keep on with this diatribe because you feel the last post wins. I am very sorry that you have not learned the art of intelligent debate and discussion. Again, personal attacks are not debate. I have no further interest in your posts. If you continue with this line of behavior, I will report you. If I can figure out how, I will blacklist you as I do not want to stoop to where you want this thread to go. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,513 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,124 posts 42,465 battles Report post #25 Posted January 4, 2016 Why? I have as much right to express my opinion and vote with my dollars as anyone else. Are you suggesting that my right to freedom of speech and action is not acceptable? I think you are in the wrong here. A great French philosopher, Voltaire, said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Maybe you should respect the rights and opinions of others. If you disagree, state the reasons that compel you to disagree. If everyone accepted the status quo, our great Republic would never have been created. No. I'm saying that people keep complaining about a non issue that doesn't affect you SINCE YOU DONT HAVE TO FREAKING PLAY IT. Ah, but I don't agree with your assertion that it's a non-issue, regardless of whether I play it or not. I think that it's a significant issue!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
