A brief thought on tier-for-tier Fuso vs Nagato

[_Marines]

I have pulled some data from http://warshipstats.com/'s NA server ship analytics, compared, and re-calculated the kill/death ratio of different battleship:

 

 

It turns out while Fuso performs better than Nagato in a few things, she really shines on kill/death ratio (2.11 vs Nagato's 1.70). It is likely due to Fuso 14-inch guns' effectiveness against cruisers. Nagato's 16-inch guns just over-penetrate too much in my experience.

 

So if you like hunter down cruisers? Definitely pick Fuso.

[MrDeaf]

I think Fuso is just more forgiving to use, since it has a faster reload.

 

The dispersion it has is terrible.

[Carrier_Taiyo]

Nagato takes more practice.

[aether_tech]

Everyone has always said the Nagato is an awesome ship once you get it, blah, blah, blah.

 

Then I played it, and they released the german cruiser line, and the cleveland's still way to popular....

 

And my 16" shells deal 1,000 damage from overpens at every range. And I still cant citadel a New York or a Kongo at point blank, 8km, 12km, or 20km.

 

I think I'm going to sell the Nagato, and just stay the Fuso forever.

[Kenjister]

Ship stats aside, Fuso has an undeniable advantage in the form of MM.

 

Nagato rewards accurate shooting. Conversely a poor shot on a tier 5 or 6 ship will do little but overpen.

 

Fuso on the other hand has plentiful guns, and faster reloads. Her targets have less range, and less experience and horribly vulnerable citadels.

 

Basically Fuso is a ship very good at bullying - that is put against low range and weakly armored opponents.

[10T0nHammer]

I think Fuso is just more forgiving to use, since it has a faster reload.

 

The dispersion it has is terrible.

The Fuso also has better accuracy than the Nagato on top of having more guns.

 

Honestly I think the Nagato is poop lol no armor, very inaccurate, slow to turn and longer than my.... Cadillac its prime torp bait 

[Killer1941]

Kenjister sums it up pretty well.

[Arbinshire]

The Fuso also has better accuracy than the Nagato on top of having more guns.

 

Honestly I think the Nagato is poop lol no armor, very inaccurate, slow to turn and longer than my.... Cadillac its prime torp bait 

 

This. It is literally impossible to not hit a Nagato for significant damage, both with AP or HE. The Fuso actually has great protection, meanwhile I would rather be in a Kongo most of the time than a Nagato.

[goldeagle1123]

Haven't played either, about to get the Fuso though. I would think the Nagato is better just based on its Max Range alone. You get about 33% more range with the Nagato. Engaging with impunity is the best kind of engagement.

[Kenjister]

Haven't played either, about to get the Fuso though. I would think the Nagato is better just based on its Max Range alone. You get about 33% more range with the Nagato. Engaging with impunity is the best kind of engagement.

 

Youre looking at Fuso's range with the stock hull.  Once you get that padoga mast, your range actually is higher than Nagato

[goldeagle1123]

 

Youre looking at Fuso's range with the stock hull.  Once you get that padoga mast, your range actually is higher than Nagato

 

No I was looking at the final one, must be glitch. Thanks for clarifying anyhow.

[MrDeaf]

The Fuso also has better accuracy than the Nagato on top of having more guns.

 

Honestly I think the Nagato is poop lol no armor, very inaccurate, slow to turn and longer than my.... Cadillac its prime torp bait 

 

RNG must hate my Fuso then. Landing citadels in that ship is a chore.

 

Meanwhile, Kongo, New Mexico, Warspite and Colorado make it look easy.

[JSFWRX85]

i thought the Nagato was better than Fuso. Wasnt a big fan of the Fuso. 

[Misniso]

 

No I was looking at the final one, must be glitch. Thanks for clarifying anyhow.

 

The 2nd and final hull of the Fuso both shoot like 19k without the range increase upgrade.  If Nagato had 33% more range on top of that, it's time to try your hand at gambling while a destroyer sits in front to spot.

 

Still, you don't see these ranges until you actually buy the hull.

[Carrier_Taiyo]

Nagato's guns are unimpressive until the ship is fully upgraded.

[Dr_Venture]

If you know what you're doing both ships are fantastic.

 

I'd rather use the Nagato...because of those secondaries...not many better ways to tell an overeager cruiser to jog on than blasting him to death with the secondary battery. 

 

Plus when you get the hang of those 16 inch gun batteries, even the Cleveland knows trying to burn you to death, or even upset you is a poor idea.

 

Again this requires a good understanding of how the 16 inch guns work, faster velocity = less lead

 

Most people who hate Nagato haven't grasped that, and when I hated her so did I. 

[_Marines]

I have been playing both ships fully upgraded. The IJN BB line was the first line I grinded. When I got Nagato, I was hitting other BBs' citadels all day. In those days, I preferred her over Fuso so much that I sold my Fuso. To the past, noobish me, Nagato was contender both in melee and range, and Fuso was only good being a brawler.

 

As my skills improved, my play-style also changed from firing at enemy BBs at maximum range to making use of geographical features and hunting down enemy cruisers in the game's first half. Gradually I realize Fuso just does these things so much better than the Nagato, so now I have sold my Nagato.

 

[crzyhawk]

Everyone has always said the Nagato is an awesome ship once you get it, blah, blah, blah.

 

Then I played it, and they released the german cruiser line, and the cleveland's still way to popular....

 

And my 16" shells deal 1,000 damage from overpens at every range. And I still cant citadel a New York or a Kongo at point blank, 8km, 12km, or 20km.

 

I think I'm going to sell the Nagato, and just stay the Fuso forever.

 

I agree.  I kept my Fuso, Nagato will be sold when I get Amagi.  I like Nagato, but I love Fuso.

[Takeda992]

I don't have Fusou (had in CBT) but have a Kongou, and the 14inch guns just doesn't seem to citadel battleships very well, including ships like Wyoming. When I tried a Nagato in a previous public test server, Citadels were coming much easier. Fuso is a beast and always has been, but sometimes I wish my 14inch guns would do better against battlships.

 

A bit off-topic, does anyone know at what range does the 14inch guns start to reliably hit citadels on other BBs?

[Scotty_SE]

Preferred the Fuso in CBT, but now prefer the Nagato, but my reasons are varied.

 

 - Nagato gets better relative MM than Fuso, and I'm high tier more often in my Nagato. 

 - More idiots at T6 than T7 where there seems to be a big jump is team skill. Can't explain this one, but I do less raging at my team in my Nagato than my Fuso. Less HE spremming in Nagato matches.

 - I've killed Iowas in my Nagato - those big guns hurt, you just don't have a lo of them. Much tougher to kill T8 BBs in a Fuso. I get accused of using aim mods in my Nagato all the time. Never in my Fuso.

 - Fuso has pretty tough armor when angled relative to it's tier. Nagato is barely worth angling and can't seem to shrug off anything.

-  Secondaries on Nagato are so good I often trust them to kill close proximity damaged DDs and  cruisers while I focus on other targets.

[MrDeaf]

I don't have Fusou (had in CBT) but have a Kongou, and the 14inch guns just doesn't seem to citadel battleships very well, including ships like Wyoming. When I tried a Nagato in a previous public test server, Citadels were coming much easier. Fuso is a beast and always has been, but sometimes I wish my 14inch guns would do better against battlships.

 

A bit off-topic, does anyone know at what range does the 14inch guns start to reliably hit citadels on other BBs?

 

Definitely works under 4km

[pwadoc]

They're both awesome compared to their USN equivalents.

[Kenjister]

They're both awesome compared to their USN equivalents.

 

Thats hard to say... New Mexico seems to have a decent sized fan club. 

 

Nagato vs Colorado I'd agree, though recently brawlers have started praising Colorado as well.

[Celebrim]

 

Thats hard to say... New Mexico seems to have a decent sized fan club.

 

Nagato vs Colorado I'd agree, though recently brawlers have started praising Colorado as well.

 

 

New Mexico is decent, but decidedly inferior to the Fuso.  The only way you beat a Fuso in a New Mexico, is if the Fuso driver mishandles the ship and gives you his broadside.  If you can get the broadside, you can drill a Fuso hard.  But against Fuso's angled, you might as well fire HE if you are in a New Mexico, because you'll bounce almost everything.

 

 

The Colorado is for me the first US BB that feels even remotely balanced with its IJN component.   I feel ok taking a Colorado up against a Nagato, but it's ridiculous how much better the Kawachi is than the South Carolina, the Myogi is than a Wyoming, a Kongo over a New York, or a Fuso over the New Mexico.  Particularly at tier 3-5, the US ships are ridiculously inaccurate on top of being ridiculously sluggish and usually having inferior range.  Getting a hit in a low tier US battleship is pure luck, because even at 5km you can have full salvos miss by 500m from where you are aiming - often splicing both sides of the target.

[Kenjister]

*snip* Myogi is than a Wyoming

 

I agreed with most of everything...  But wut?

I did strangely well in my Myogi, but I think you'll find many people who'd rather gauge their eyes out than play Myogi...