1,626 The_GoDDfather Beta Testers 4,982 posts 6,249 battles Report post #1 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) All I hear nowadays is how much better the Fletcher is than the Gearing. I'm currently speed grinding the gearing with my new flags, but I get the feeling I'm going to be disappointed. It was great during CBT, but is it as good as I will remember? Thoughts? Current distance from Gearing: 15k Edited January 3, 2016 by KmsH44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,762 [-K-] Lord_Zath Supertest Coordinator, Alpha Tester, WoWS Community Contributors, Wiki Editor 6,626 posts 29,064 battles Report post #2 Posted January 2, 2016 Fun game w/u today! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,626 The_GoDDfather Beta Testers 4,982 posts 6,249 battles Report post #3 Posted January 2, 2016 Fun game w/u today! Except I got rekt. And for some reason, our Mahan lost his s*** because I wouldn't go into a 3v2 against a Fubuki, Baltimore, and another DD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #4 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) All I hear nowadays is how much better the Fletcher is than the Gearing. From who? The same phantom group that said you were a Top 10%er in DDs? Edited January 2, 2016 by AutismSpeaks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,626 The_GoDDfather Beta Testers 4,982 posts 6,249 battles Report post #5 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) From who? The same phantom group that said you were a Top 10%er in DDs? http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/62736-fletcher-vs-gearing/page__hl__gearing__fromsearch__1 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/62381-poll-best-midhigh-tier-destroyer/page__p__1530186__hl__gearing#entry1530186 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/60950-gearing-vs-fletcher/page__hl__gearing__fromsearch__1 There's three And where's your latest thread about how s*** my newest variation of my guide is? Edited January 2, 2016 by KmsH44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #6 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/62736-fletcher-vs-gearing/page__hl__gearing__fromsearch__1 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/62381-poll-best-midhigh-tier-destroyer/page__p__1530186__hl__gearing#entry1530186 There's two And where's your latest thread about how s*** my newest variation of my guide is? The first link takes me to an opinion written by a player that has not played any games in either the Fletcher or the Gearing. Would probably be best to listen to players that have played the ships that they are giving opinions on. The second link takes me to a poll of all DDs tier 6 and higher. Are you assuming that the Gearing is said to be worse than the Fletcher because it got more votes than the Gearing? If so, statements based solely on that would prove to be highly inaccurate. Is that all you are hearing? I have noticed that you have expanded from 1 guide to three. I have not wasted my time reading ver. 2 or 3. Been there, done that.....would rather not waste more time, but thanks for asking! Maybe your next guide should focus on how to average 22K damage and win 27% while "powergrinding" the Fletcher? Edited January 2, 2016 by AutismSpeaks 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
775 [CRNGE] Im_The_Seeker2 Banned 3,786 posts 3,406 battles Report post #7 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) From who? The same phantom group that said you were a Top 10%er in DDs? Me. The Gearing is worse because of its handicapped torpedo reload. 0.6/minute on the Fletcher vs. 0.4/minute on the Gearing Edited January 2, 2016 by Im_The_Seeker2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,626 The_GoDDfather Beta Testers 4,982 posts 6,249 battles Report post #8 Posted January 2, 2016 The first link takes me to an opinion written by a player that has not played any games in either the Fletcher or the Gearing. Would probably be best to listen to players that have played the ships that they are giving opinions on. The second link takes me to a poll of all DDs tier 6 and higher. Are you assuming that the Gearing is said to be worse than the Fletcher because it got more votes than the Gearing? If so, statements based solely on that would prove to be highly inaccurate. Is that all you are hearing? Yes, I'm using these three links as evidence. As you can see Sushimaster splays out all the stats into quite a convincing argument on how much better the Fletcher is than the Gearing is tier for tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #9 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Me. The Gearing is worse because of its handicapped torpedo reload. 0.6/minute on the Fletcher vs. 0.4/minute on the Gearing HUGE LOL............expert opinion here, for sure. You have not played a single game in a USN DD.....not even in tier 2, and you are his "proof" of why the Gearing is worse than the Fletcher? I hope he does not use quotes from you in his DD guides! Edited January 2, 2016 by AutismSpeaks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #10 Posted January 2, 2016 Yes, I'm using these three links as evidence. As you can see Sushimaster splays out all the stats into quite a convincing argument on how much better the Fletcher is than the Gearing is tier for tier. You only posted two, but counting is hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #11 Posted January 2, 2016 gearing does have higher dmg avg for what its worth. you gain better ranged torps that reload slower, shorter range guns and slower speed, not to mention more costly to run. it would become more of a personal style and choice though. I am only going to benson, so I can't say too much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
46 [DAS] Focke66 Members 352 posts 23,902 battles Report post #12 Posted January 2, 2016 I prefer Gearing over Fletcher for a few reasons. Few more HP. Better but more risky gun layout. Area denial torps that still do great damage and travel moderately fast. With all buffs detection range is 5.9km. That isnt to say I dont like the fletcher, I just see the Gearing as the ultimate culmination of US gunboat in the scope of this game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,626 The_GoDDfather Beta Testers 4,982 posts 6,249 battles Report post #13 Posted January 2, 2016 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/62736-fletcher-vs-gearing/page__hl__gearing__fromsearch__1 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/62381-poll-best-midhigh-tier-destroyer/page__p__1530186__hl__gearing#entry1530186 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/60950-gearing-vs-fletcher/page__hl__gearing__fromsearch__1 There's three And where's your latest thread about how s*** my newest variation of my guide is? You only posted two, but counting is hard. It is you that needs to learn to count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
775 [CRNGE] Im_The_Seeker2 Banned 3,786 posts 3,406 battles Report post #14 Posted January 2, 2016 HUGE LOL............expert opinion here, for sure. You have not played a single game in a USN DD.....not even in tier 2, and you are his "proof" of why the Gearing is worse than the Fletcher? I hope he does not use quotes from you in his DD guides! since the only changes to USN DDs since the end of CBT were smoke nerfs and minor torpedo detectability buffs, I'm going to say that my CBT experience is still valid in this field (I have more battles in DDs than you do total, and I've actually owned both the Fletcher and the Gearing) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #15 Posted January 2, 2016 It is you that needs to learn to count. Now that you added another, it is three.....check my original quote of your post.....only two scrubber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #16 Posted January 2, 2016 since the only changes to USN DDs since the end of CBT were smoke nerfs and minor torpedo detectability buffs, I'm going to say that my CBT experience is still valid in this field (I have more battles in DDs than you do total) I owned both the Fletcher and the Gearing in CBT You are just holding a grudge against that poor Gearing because you only won 41% in CBT. LOL 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
841 Kookaburras Alpha Tester 2,800 posts 1,291 battles Report post #17 Posted January 2, 2016 Never played the Gearing, but the Fletcher was a lot of fun. Not only were the torpedoes good, but the 5 inch guns work wonders as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
775 [CRNGE] Im_The_Seeker2 Banned 3,786 posts 3,406 battles Report post #18 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) You are just holding a grudge against that poor Gearing because you only won 41% in CBT. LOL never had any difficulty with the Fletcher though, that's my point in fact, the best game that I've ever played was in my Fletcher 30s torpedo reload is a huge difference, especially considering that the Fletcher's torps are more damaging to boot Edited January 2, 2016 by Im_The_Seeker2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #19 Posted January 2, 2016 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/60950-gearing-vs-fletcher/page__hl__gearing__fromsearch__1 Most of the arguments in this topic do not focus on how good the ships are compared to one another. Rather, they are saying that with low population at tier 10, and the high cost of purchase and repair, that it may not be worth buying the Gearing. These arguments, in no way, prove that the Fletcher is a better ship than the Gearing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #20 Posted January 2, 2016 never had any difficulty with the Fletcher though, that's my point in fact, the best game that I've ever played was in my Fletcher 30s torpedo reload is a huge difference, especially considering that the Fletcher's torps are more damaging to boot No doubt that the torpedo advantage goes to the Fletcher; however, they are gunboats. The raw DPM of the Gearing's guns crushes the Fletcher 18x5 (90) vs 20x6 (120)........33% more DPM is HUGE on a gunboat. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
775 [CRNGE] Im_The_Seeker2 Banned 3,786 posts 3,406 battles Report post #21 Posted January 2, 2016 These arguments, in no way, prove that the Fletcher is a better ship than the Gearing. well it's more convincing than your nonexistent arguments, I'd say 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
775 [CRNGE] Im_The_Seeker2 Banned 3,786 posts 3,406 battles Report post #22 Posted January 2, 2016 No doubt that the torpedo advantage goes to the Fletcher; however, they are gunboats. The raw DPM of the Gearing's guns crushes the Fletcher 18x5 (90) vs 20x6 (120)........33% more DPM is HUGE on a gunboat. but they are not gunboats, they are jack-of-all-trade boats and good torpedoes are objectively more useful than 5"/38 guns, which have the slowest shell velocity in the game & have very poor fire chance compared to the other tier 10 DDs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 AutismSpeaks Members 783 posts 6,554 battles Report post #23 Posted January 2, 2016 but they are not gunboats, they are jack-of-all-trade boats and good torpedoes are objectively more useful than 5"/38 guns, which have the slowest shell velocity in the game & have very poor fire chance compared to the other tier 10 DDs A 5% fire chance is not bad, when you are firing 120 rounds per minute (base). Fastest firing guns in the game belong to the Gearing, but it is not a gunboat. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7 BillBellamy Members 35 posts 324 battles Report post #24 Posted January 2, 2016 You are just holding a grudge against that poor Gearing because you only won 41% in CBT. LOL As opposed to you who has exactly 0 games combined in US destroyers above tier 6...... go away troll 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
775 [CRNGE] Im_The_Seeker2 Banned 3,786 posts 3,406 battles Report post #25 Posted January 2, 2016 A 5% fire chance is not bad, when you are firing 120 rounds per minute (base). Fastest firing guns in the game belong to the Gearing, but it is not a gunboat. no, the "gunboat" of the bunch is the Khabarovsk, because its guns have much better muzzle velocity, and because its torpedoes are utter crap the 5"38 have mediocre range and godawful flight time, at anything greater than 7km it means you have to aim with the target offscreen you should not be relying on the Gearing's guns as its primary weapon, they are there so you aren't nearly as helpless as a Shimakaze if you find yourself in a knife-fight also, the Fletcher has the tightest turning circle of the tier 9 and 10 DDs, by a healthy 80m Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
