2,571 players have played 77,551 battles in Sims and it's still only doing avg Tier III damage

[x2_Weekends]

Hypothesis:

Tier VII Sims still only averages 17,955 damage per game and only has a whopping 46.8% WR for All-Time statistics and so I think it sucks. 

 

Data for comparison:

Tier III Wickes averages 14,011 damage and has a 48.8% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier III Wakatake averages 17,658 damage and has a 51% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier IV Clemson averages 20,248 damage and has a 50.2% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Mahan averages 21,326 damage and has a 49.5% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Hatsuarhu averages 24,329 damage and has a 49.3% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Kiev averages 37,274 damage and has a 58.9% WR for All-Time statistics (will likely lower very slightly due to cosmetic nerf)

 

Conclusion:

Tier VII Sims; Tier-for-Tier worst ship in the game. 

 

Discuss.

[Raven114]

What's your point, most people play the ships they like and have fun with and are not statistic orientated. I agree some are, most are not.

[Cruiser_Sendai]

What's your point, most people play the ships they like and have fun with and are not statistic orientated. I agree some are, most are not.

 

The point is that the Sims is absolute garbage.

[AspiringCodger]

Hopefully it's not that bad.  I'll unlock it today.  I've enjoyed the entire American DD line so far.

[10T0nHammer]

Statistically, it is the worst performing ship in game lol beating only the Atlanta.

 

Hopefully it's not that bad.  I'll unlock it today.  I've enjoyed the entire American DD line so far.

Currently, there is no way to get the Sims ATM

[Hanz_Gooblemienhoffen_42]

Hypothesis:

Tier VII Sims still only averages 17,955 damage per game and only has a whopping 46.8% WR for All-Time statistics and so I think it sucks. 

 

Data for comparison:

Tier III Wickes averages 14,011 damage and has a 48.8% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier III Wakatake averages 17,658 damage and has a 51% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier IV Clemson averages 20,248 damage and has a 50.2% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Mahan averages 21,326 damage and has a 49.5% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Hatsuarhu averages 24,329 damage and has a 49.3% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Kiev averages 37,274 damage and has a 58.9% WR for All-Time statistics (will likely lower very slightly due to cosmetic nerf)

 

Conclusion:

Tier VII Sims; Tier-for-Tier worst ship in the game. 

 

Discuss.

 

conclusion completely wrong.

 

Its a T7 premium meaning lots of people with no experience at this game buy a tier 7 and go out and get thier butts handed to them.

 

This is the fate of many if not most higher tier premiums...there is no barrier to entry except money...yet the skill levels from T1 to T7 are huge.

 

Ship is not bad at all, has 5 sec turret rotation...simply of bunch of people who dont know how to use a "gun boat" DD, i imagine these are same people who you see fire 5 km torps at targets 15km away.

 

 

[Cruiser_Sendai]

Hopefully it's not that bad.  I'll unlock it today.  I've enjoyed the entire American DD line so far.

 

Nay, you unlock the Mahan.

 

Now THAT ship is quite nice. I enjoyed my time with it. 

[IronWolfV]

Hypothesis:

Tier VII Sims still only averages 17,955 damage per game and only has a whopping 46.8% WR for All-Time statistics and so I think it sucks. 

 

Data for comparison:

Tier III Wickes averages 14,011 damage and has a 48.8% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier III Wakatake averages 17,658 damage and has a 51% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier IV Clemson averages 20,248 damage and has a 50.2% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Mahan averages 21,326 damage and has a 49.5% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Hatsuarhu averages 24,329 damage and has a 49.3% WR for All-Time statistics.

 

Tier VII Kiev averages 37,274 damage and has a 58.9% WR for All-Time statistics (will likely lower very slightly due to cosmetic nerf)

 

Conclusion:

Tier VII Sims; Tier-for-Tier worst ship in the game. 

 

Discuss.

 

Again Yubari I worse. Take a Sims, add a citadel, restrict the arcs to basically 85 to 95 degrees port and starboard and put the 4 main guns s into 2 turrets made of paper.

 

Sorry in no way shape or form is the Sims worse off than. Yubari. Granted Sims is quite bad, but Yubari takes the cake as worst ship in game.

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

conclusion completely wrong.

 

Its a T7 premium meaning lots of people with no experience at this game buy a tier 7 and go out and get thier butts handed to them.

 

This is the fate of many if not most higher tier premiums...there is no barrier to entry except money...yet the skill levels from T1 to T7 are huge.

 

Ship is not bad at all, has 5 sec turret rotation...simply of bunch of people who dont know how to use a "gun boat" DD, i imagine these are same people who you see fire 5 km torps at targets 15km away.

 

 

 

Why does the Bliskawica have such a high winrate then? It's ALSO a T7 premium DD.

 

Clearly it's not people just not knowing how to play gunboat DDs.

[AspiringCodger]

 

Nay, you unlock the Mahan.

 

Now THAT ship is quite nice. I enjoyed my time with it. 

 

My bad.

 

Nice.  Very good to hear.

[x2_Weekends]

 

conclusion completely wrong.

 

Its a T7 premium meaning lots of people with no experience at this game buy a tier 7 and go out and get thier butts handed to them.

 

This is the fate of many if not most higher tier premiums...there is no barrier to entry except money...yet the skill levels from T1 to T7 are huge.

 

Ship is not bad at all, has 5 sec turret rotation...simply of bunch of people who dont know how to use a "gun boat" DD, i imagine these are same people who you see fire 5 km torps at targets 15km away.

 

 

 

It was not simply a "anybody can purchase" tech-tree premium.  It was available to Beta Players and players began playing it in Beta.  Hence a while back.  Granted not all will improve but a lot should and did.  Most owners of the Sims know how to play the game now.  They're not brand new accounts who just came aboard after seeing a TV commercial. 

 

If it were just a regular tech tree premium, I'd say your second and third sentences may have some validity.  But it wasn't so they don't. 

[Moksie]

Sims was the number one teamkiller for quite a while and that will cost you, so it would be reasonable to see it as less profitable of a ship no?

[x2_Weekends]

Sims was the number one teamkiller for quite a while and that will cost you, so it would be reasonable to see it as less profitable of a ship no?

 

You sure you're not mistaken it for Kitikami? 

[x2_Weekends]

 

Again Yubari I worse. Take a Sims, add a citadel, restrict the arcs to basically 85 to 95 degrees port and starboard and put the 4 main guns s into 2 turrets made of paper.

 

Sorry in no way shape or form is the Sims worse off than. Yubari. Granted Sims is quite bad, but Yubari takes the cake as worst ship in game.

 

I'd argue Yubari, while not great, is ok.  Looking at it's stats (damage, win rate, etc.) against it's same tier IV peers and it's actually right in the middle.  Many, myself included, would argue Karlsruhe is a much worse ship than Yubari. 

[I401_Fog]

worst ship in the game u say, um looks like someone forgot about Yubari 

[flounder2760]

nah sims sucks donkey dong because the shells on it take longer to land then some bbs.  them high arc slow velocity shells are what killed the sims.   they tried fixing it by buffing its weakest attribute...its torps but that wasnt what it needed.  what it needs is its shell velocities back and you can see a sharp increase in all time stats for it. also having kicked a lot of [edited]in the yubari im must say sims is worse by a long shot.

 

if you try to play the yubari as a brawler your gonna get Tyrannosaurus rekt   i mean yeah iv killed myogis in it who udnerestimated me  but your a tier 4 aa platform and support ship.

[Lieutenant_Horn]

Don't forget that it originally had a max torp range of 4.5km. I'm just now getting my WR and avg dmg up from the average crap I did in Beta test. Remember, you had alot of players that didn't know how to play it during Beta (myself included) who brought the stats down. Try looking up the stats for say, the past month of play in it.

[IronWolfV]

 

I'd argue Yubari, while not great, is ok.  Looking at it's stats (damage, win rate, etc.) against it's same tier IV peers and it's actually right in the middle.  Many, myself included, would argue Karlsruhe is a much worse ship than Yubari. 

 

No it is not. Only reason it does as well as it does, bunch of rookie drivers who don't have a clue. Take that away Yubari would be rock bottom of tier 4 period.

[Mesrith]

It's just not a good ship.  The trajectory sucks, rendering the AP unusable and the HE difficult to use past 10km.  Getting 150 hits on a battleship can still give laughable damage numbers.  The stock torpedoes are ok if you use them in the same manner as the Russian DD torps, but the "upgraded" ones are terrible.  I loved this ship in Beta but now I barely use it.

[Moksie]

 

You sure you're not mistaken it for Kitikami? 

 

 ​Positive, the Kitakami guys were a little more cognizant to their threat.  The sims guys were buy in's that were oblivious.  They used to teamkill me constantly.

[flounder2760]

Don't forget that it originally had a max torp range of 4.5km. I'm just now getting my WR and avg dmg up from the average crap I did in Beta test. Remember, you had alot of players that didn't know how to play it during Beta (myself included) who brought the stats down. Try looking up the stats for say, the past month of play in it.

 

those upgraded torps are fackin useless. they suffer from the same problem the sims guns do.  slow velocity. i dont need long range torps if i can run faster  then them.

[flounder2760]

 

 ​Positive, the Kitakami guys were a little more cognizant to their threat.  The sims guys were buy in's that were oblivious.  They used to teamkill me constantly.

 

i so wanted to grab the kitakami....i would be such a terror in that thing. but alas my bank situation did not allow me to grab them before wargaming up and dropped them from the tree.

[10T0nHammer]

 

conclusion completely wrong.

 

Its a T7 premium meaning lots of people with no experience at this game buy a tier 7 and go out and get thier butts handed to them.

 

This is the fate of many if not most higher tier premiums...there is no barrier to entry except money...yet the skill levels from T1 to T7 are huge.

 

Ship is not bad at all, has 5 sec turret rotation...simply of bunch of people who dont know how to use a "gun boat" DD, i imagine these are same people who you see fire 5 km torps at targets 15km away.

 

 

 

This is a really bad mentality for one very simple reason:

 

Tirpitz.

 

Tirpitz performs around the middle and is LOADED with bad players. We all have horror stories from when we had the Tirpocolypse.

 

In fact, the Tirpitz has DOUBLE the amount of players that the Sims has. Sims was only available to Beta testers, which arguably have had the most time to gain experience in this game.

[CodyMenz]

 

Again Yubari I worse. Take a Sims, add a citadel, restrict the arcs to basically 85 to 95 degrees port and starboard and put the 4 main guns s into 2 turrets made of paper.

 

Sorry in no way shape or form is the Sims worse off than. Yubari. Granted Sims is quite bad, but Yubari takes the cake as worst ship in game.

The difference is the Sims is a tier 7 ship and the Yubari is a tier 4.   Playing the Sims right now is essentially bring a tier 3/4 DD weighted as a tier 7 DD.

[BrushWolf]

 

conclusion completely wrong.

 

Its a T7 premium meaning lots of people with no experience at this game buy a tier 7 and go out and get thier butts handed to them.

 

This is the fate of many if not most higher tier premiums...there is no barrier to entry except money...yet the skill levels from T1 to T7 are huge.

 

Ship is not bad at all, has 5 sec turret rotation...simply of bunch of people who dont know how to use a "gun boat" DD, i imagine these are same people who you see fire 5 km torps at targets 15km away.

 

 

 

 

This is a really bad mentality for one very simple reason:

 

Tirpitz.

 

Tirpitz performs around the middle and is LOADED with bad players. We all have horror stories from when we had the Tirpocolypse.

 

In fact, the Tirpitz has DOUBLE the amount of players that the Sims has. Sims was only available to Beta testers, which arguably have had the most time to gain experience in this game.

 

This, the Sims used to have a nice flat arc to its guns and was quite capable but when they gave it that rainbow arc it became garbage. The torpedoes are a mixed bag, the stock torpedo requires you to get into knife fighting range against ships that have secondaries that reach beyond its detection range. The upgrade is so slow you will only hit people that are not paying attention which happens a lot more than you would think for the tier range.