what is wrong with you guys?

[After__Effect]

"DD controls the game now"

"me can't dodge no torpedoes"

"DDs much stealth. Can't kill it"

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e.c.t....

 

 

not gonna make it long. I am speaking for general DD captains out there.

The Only Reason you would get hit by a torpedo is because you sailed to where we expect you to be. Sail straight? sure~! you can have 3 fat and red torpedoes straight to your belly and you deserved it and we get eargasms from that BOP! BOP! BOP! sound that it makes when our torpedoes hit you. Moar plz.

now this answers "ohhh me can't dodge torpedoes".... Yes you F'ing can.

I've seen a yamato getting torpedo [edited] by a shima and a Fubuki. that Yamato captain dodged all of it's torpedo like nothing and citadeling the crapout of my Tirpitz and killing me. At the end, that captain was unharmed from those torpedoes. If he can do it, so can every one of you dooms day preacher saying "DD controls the game now".

 

 

"DDs much stealth. can't kill it"

haha, no you can't.

You can't make a relationship between high tier cruisers and destroyer like that.

it's not like we can torpedo anyone at any given time. If there is risks, it's unlikely you get torpedoed. But if you present us with situations like a lonely montana just cruising along, sure! I will take that any day of the week. The reason why you are getting torp is because you make things easier for DDs to torp. Let your team's DD screen the area prior to your main fleet entering the area. Can't do that? well, too bad.

Deal with it.

if you took 1-2 hit(s) from torpedoes and if you give up and rage, you just made these torpedoes even more effective. 

You still can do a lot more work than giving up.

What do they say? never give up. Gotta give up? then deal with it.

 

 

 

Edit: apparently this is how BB captains out there thinks. "so I can one shot the shet out of CAs. I can also delete 50% of other BB with one salvo"... hehehe that is all good because THAT IS WHAT BB IS GOOD AT. But DD doing what it's good at is not good. nothing should harm the BBs... BBs are God. BBs are the top notch motha f*ckers in the game. 

Frankly, if you think like this, please for the sake of other players. You are better off quitting the game.

DDs are excellent at punishing lazy BB captains sailing straight. BBs are excellent at messing up cruisers lazy to not angle their armor.

so should my pepsi-cola and Atago make me have to come to forums to complain about citadels? if I did.... IF I did.... what would you BB captains say?

basically "Deal with it". Well, my answer is the same to BB captains that has their feelings hurt because their BB get's F'ed because they sail straight.

"deal with it" don't wanna get hit? get a CA escort, change course, change speed, look at the map. Not that hard. Is it hard for you? too bad. This is the only way for you to dodge torpedoes. 

 

 

 

 

[Batwingsix]

They don't like being hit for good damage by something they cant see, yet none of them complain when they evaporate another ship from 20+ km in a single salvo. 

[MagentaTears]

Funny thing is I've been having better luck dodging torpedoes ever since the new update came out. Minekaze at 3km couldn't torp my Fusou XD

[RedSeaBear]

Let me add that as a Destroyer driver of three different T7 dd lines long range torps are very easy to dodge, I miss all time with long range torps. However, if you get close to an island in you big scary battleship and I happen to be hiding behind that island get ready to eat a broadside of torps. I can't count the number of times I've ambushed zoned out bb drivers who thought hugging an island was a good idea. Now granted I've died a lot in these ambushes because scary bb have scarier cruiser friends but taking down two or three ships is worth the sinking. 

Now if my teams wouldn't melt at the sight of the enemy I could get a win around here. 

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

They don't like being hit for good damage by something they cant see, yet none of them complain when they evaporate another ship from 20+ km in a single salvo. 

 

Getting evaporated at 20km is exactly the same as getting torped, if that happened you had all the warning in the world and plenty of time to dodge but didnt. 

[Batwingsix]

 

Getting evaporated at 20km is exactly the same as getting torped, if that happened you had all the warning in the world and plenty of time to dodge but didnt. 

 

Precisely. Dodging torpedoes is even easier than dodging shells depending on what ship is being shot at with said shells. Torpedoes can be dodged by toying with those OP WASD keys every once in a while (unless it is a close range ambush). Dodging shells can be a tad harder sometimes since the ship may not see them right away or has a slower rudder shift time considering the speed of the shells.

 

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

Precisely. Dodging torpedoes is even easier than dodging shells depending on what ship is being shot at with said shells. Torpedoes can be dodged by toying with those OP WASD keys every once in a while (unless it is a close range ambush). Dodging shells can be a tad harder sometimes since the ship may not see them right away or has a slower rudder shift time considering the speed of the shells.

 

 

You can use the same excuses with torps honestly. Evading long range shells is even easier, the shells are visible the entire time and it is easy to see where they are headed. 

[BURN_Miner]

I heard stereotyping is the "in" thing now. In before the latest and greatest "baBBy" reference is dropped by the "select few".

 

EDIT: To be fair, I've seen a ton of "my modules broke wth WG"... threads. Or, "fix cruiser citadels!!!"

[_Sarcasticat_]

Funny thing is I've been having better luck dodging torpedoes ever since the new update came out. Minekaze at 3km couldn't torp my Fusou XD

North Carolina managed to dodge all 8 of my Torpedoes from my Farragut at 3.4 kilometers. ;-;

[gurudennis]

So am I alone in seeing an obvious fault in a number of hardcore DD primaries satisfying each other in a circular manner, going on about how everyone else is a bad player because they purportedly sail in straight lines?

 

Here's a challenge for you. Starting today, never torp anything other than the white cone, and never at a rate of more than 4-6 torpedoes a minute. Because that should be enough to kill all the losers sailing in straight lines, right?

 

Why wouldn't you understand, for the umptieth time. Very few people sail in straight lines at mid and high tiers. Certainly not ones with BB/CA stats like as some people here have, and yet they complain. Could there umm I don't know actually be something to it? Just on the off chance...

[centarina]

when i get hit by a torp in my CA or BB, its due to mistake I made and I know it.   its pretty rare though.   heck  even in my aurora, its rare to be hit.   if you see DD, assume you have been shot at.   my hit rate with torp is under 10%.   it is not easy

[The_GoDDfather]

North Carolina managed to dodge all 8 of my Torpedoes from my Farragut at 3.4 kilometers. ;-;

 

Pensacola dodges all ten benson torps at .1km ;-;-;-;-;-;;;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;;-;-;-;

[USMarine]

My only source of DD hatred is 20km torps at tier ten. They don't even aim, just spam the open part of the map where bigger ships have to go.

[gurudennis]

when i get hit by a torp in my CA or BB, its due to mistake I made and I know it.   its pretty rare though.   heck  even in my aurora, its rare to be hit.   if you see DD, assume you have been shot at.   my hit rate with torp is under 10%.   it is not easy

 

Get to tier 9 as a BB or CA and we'll chat again.

[bad_arcade_kitty]

if you don't sail in a straight line you are very hard to hit

 

and then, what do you imply, that you somehow deserve not to be damaged by dd ever?

[BURN_Miner]

North Carolina managed to dodge all 8 of my Torpedoes from my Farragut at 3.4 kilometers. ;-;

 

Which happens, the proverbial "threading the needle", heck, I've been able to do it rarely in an Iowa if the stars align. Granted, the torps were launched directly at me from a DD and not broadside. Have they been launched broadside from behind an island or dropped at close range screened by fighters, it would have been a different story. Though, don't construe this as me complaining about taking damage, far from it. It's working as intended imho. Win some, lose some. Take damage, dodge some.

 

I think what people are seeing are the forums being used as an outlet, go figure (Captain Obvious here I know), however, it's being used by people that are voicing their opinions, on these matters for various reasons. Those, and this is just my speculations I have been seeing an incline in this recently, but I will bullet point them:

• Alt accounts: So I have my suspicions as people do have down time and love to regurgitate the same dribble and insults over and over again (I will use the term "baBBy" circa July/Aug 2015 despite even some of the mechanics that the term that it once was birthed have long since died, people will dredge it up in order to use that term. Go figure)...
• People like drama and have seen what causes it, so even if they have a Tier 4 BB or even a T5 with 10 games, they will say something is broken.
• Other Captains. Others loves to claim things are broken or great, depending and comment how brown or green it is, again, to stir drama (I'll just say signature font and leave it at that). Despite yet again, having minimal game played in other classes.

 

My whole prospective and by no means is this an end all be all as there cannot be in order to have balance, is that no one knows for sure how the other is. There will always be a bias from one prospective no matter how neutral one tries to be. This post is a good sign of that, not picking on you OP, just an example. How many posts have we seen in the last week by 3 members of the regular community that, while it may not be in their title, were solely dedicated to "baBBy" threads? Off the cuff, probably close to a dozen. Then again, the OP brings up a good point, there have been a lot of "Torps are broken", "CVs make me want to quit" threads, revering back to July of 2015.

 

When I saw the CV thread, I thought "WTH!!, they just started coming back! Don't complain now!" And I don't even play them, lol.

 

While people may want to point a finger and say "it's this class or that class" it's not guys. It's this person or that person. And all they are wanting to do is cause drama and cause segregation for nothing more than there personal pleasure. I equate them to what the U.S. Government is doing at the moment. The puppet show if you will. While they have us fighting between Democrat and Republican, "I'm right", no "I'm right", meanwhile, we are all getting screwed by both parties while they both laugh at us taking our money. In this case, the people causing the drama are laughing at the childish school yard dramatics on some video game boards over nothing.

 

Look at the context of the message and who is drawing the conclusion of "what is broken" in the game guys.

 

Just my take.

[gurudennis]

and then, what do you imply, that you somehow deserve not to be damaged by dd ever?

 

I imply, no, in fact I'm expressly saying: stop with the WASD / straight line argument. It's false and borderline offensive. No amount of WASD makes anyone immune or even remotely safe from torpedo walls at 20 km. Next time an experienced player complains about torpedo walls, instead of a kneejerk WASD / baBBy reaction try to understand what the heck they are saying.

 

I don't claim to know the answer, but it would go a long way to acknowledge the obvious problem. The presence, let alone actions, of a high-tier DD completely shuts down entire fleets in their ability to avoid incoming fire, position to take objectives or simply deal regular damage. The extent to which this ability of DDs is powerful is, according to many, quite extreme. It also transcends all the usual counters, as no class or playstyle can effectively counteract this threat except on a case by case basis and very often depending on sheer luck. Remember, even though a DD may be anticipated, nobody knows where it is (which side) and when it launches.

 

[bad_arcade_kitty]

it does

changing your course regularly does save you from most of the torpedo attacks period

[gurudennis]

it does

changing your course regularly does save you from most of the torpedo attacks period

 

1. "Most of the torpedo attacks". Yeah as a CA I take 2 (two!) Shimakaze torpedoes and I'm toast. This is easily ONE instance of getting caught in an unlucky turn because remember I can't know for sure where the heck the DD is. I can sometimes make an educated guess and survive. "Most". Right. Who cares about most.

2. When the whole fleet frantically maneuvers, collides and runs like chicken at the sight of an instant death wall approaching, they get citadeled to death and then still eat some torps. Super balanced and loads of fun for the whole family.

3. As they run, which they have to after such a shocking encounter, the enemy take the objective(s) and win on points.

 

Facepalm. I stronly suspect you have a limited idea of what high tier BB/CA play is like.

[centarina]

10km is tough enough to hit with.  spread on 20km is enormous.   i've been in tier X matches in my bucky, out in front.  i spotted and helped take down shima., fletcher and kagero while dodging torps .   i am  more afraid of the guns than torp.  i dodge and ca 3km behind me gets hit   hmmm

[gurudennis]

10km is tough enough to hit with.  spread on 20km is enormous.   i've been in tier X matches in my bucky, out in front.  i spotted and helped take down shima., fletcher and kagero while dodging torps .   i am  more afraid of the guns than torp.  

 

Good for you! Is this experience reliably repeatable, by you or anyone else?

 

I'm assuming by "bucky" you mean Benson? If so, it's a DD. The argument is invalid, of course it's easier to dodge with it.

 

I have all sorts of unusual [edited]-and-bull stories myself over a couple-three thousand battles, but it won't make them in any way fit to be generalized. Let's not generalize based on your isolated successful experience either.

[centarina]

my survival rate in bucky is low because i dont get enough support lot of times in higher matches.  best support ive gotten has been from DDs    CA are just too fragile.  6.1km concealment helps, spot.    without good support, bucky doesnt do enough by itself for anti DD.    too slow to run.   why i am working toward benson

[Theodin]

BB drivers drop cruisers with little effort and tha is all good.  Dueling other BB is also ok.

 

But bring a CV or DD and suddenly the game is totally wrong.   

 

Guys is try playing those classes and see how hard they actually are to play well before you complain.

 

Please.

[Crucis]

10km is tough enough to hit with.  spread on 20km is enormous.   i've been in tier X matches in my bucky, out in front.  i spotted and helped take down shima., fletcher and kagero while dodging torps .   i am  more afraid of the guns than torp.  

 

Good for you! Is this experience reliably repeatable, by you or anyone else?

 

I'm assuming by "bucky" you mean Benson? If so, it's a DD. The argument is invalid, of course it's easier to dodge with it.

 

I have all sorts of unusual [edited]-and-bull stories myself over a couple-three thousand battles, but it won't make them in any way fit to be generalized. Let's not generalize based on your isolated successful experience either.

 

 

Actually, by "Bucky" I'm assuming he means the Fubuki.

 

 

[After__Effect]

 

I imply, no, in fact I'm expressly saying: stop with the WASD / straight line argument. It's false and borderline offensive. No amount of WASD makes anyone immune or even remotely safe from torpedo walls at 20 km. Next time an experienced player complains about torpedo walls, instead of a kneejerk WASD / baBBy reaction try to understand what the heck they are saying.

 

I don't claim to know the answer, but it would go a long way to acknowledge the obvious problem. The presence, let alone actions, of a high-tier DD completely shuts down entire fleets in their ability to avoid incoming fire, position to take objectives or simply deal regular damage. The extent to which this ability of DDs is powerful is, according to many, quite extreme. It also transcends all the usual counters, as no class or playstyle can effectively counteract this threat except on a case by case basis and very often depending on sheer luck. Remember, even though a DD may be anticipated, nobody knows where it is (which side) and when it launches.

 

 

dear lord. Here is another BB fan trying to put up a point.

As a DD, the reason why I fire my torpedo at a certain location is because I expect you to sail STRAIGHT into where I expect you to be. And if you do sail straight into where I expect you to be, again,,,, YOU DESERVE A NICE FAT JUICY TORPEDO HIT.

now what do you have to do to not go into that zone where I expect you to be?

F*cking turn. Simple. changing speed in combination is a deadly anti torpedo method.

please. Join me in a training room with my Fubuki and whatever BB you got and I will point out stuff you can do.

I do this for my clan mates who rage and rage about torpedoes and at the end, they learn stuff.