Where is Tone?

[Cruiser_Nagara]

it would make a nice Christmas present for myself, and the game needs another tier 7 premium. Plus we've had lots of premium battleships for sale lately, time to throw the cruisers a bone. TONE! GIMME!

[4bRbyHSSzZ6pk]

Isn't it still being "Toned"?

[Grevester]

well considering i havent seen tone at all but have seen a few kitakami's being tested, i would bet kitakami will come out first.

[RuinerZ]

Isn't it still being "Toned"?

 

Ha.

 

OT: I'm curious as well, been waiting since forever.

[Grevester]

donno why so many people want the tone, its going to have the same problems as the izumo, you can't really retreat with it. very risky on close engagements especially if enemy torp wall you to retreat and then you cant fire guns.

[Cruiser_Nagara]

donno why so many people want the tone, its going to have the same problems as the izumo, you can't really retreat with it. very risky on close engagements especially if enemy torp wall you to retreat and then you cant fire guns.

I dunno about you but for 99% of the players I've seen, if they are evading torpedoes, they aren't shooting. Unlike a real ship that has hundreds of crew to do more than one thing as a time, we don't. The turret arcs are tricky, sure, but Myoko has a turret that is tricky as well, and You still get lethal torpedoes. 

[Grevester]

I dunno about you but for 99% of the players I've seen, if they are evading torpedoes, they aren't shooting. Unlike a real ship that has hundreds of crew to do more than one thing as a time, we don't. The turret arcs are tricky, sure, but Myoko has a turret that is tricky as well, and You still get lethal torpedoes. 

 

best way to keep shooting while dodging is to aim and hold right click. it will keep your guns locked in that position against the enemy ship and keep you out of zoom. just hold both left and right click and you'll keep shooting away with less accuracy since its your last selected area, but still shooting while dodgin!

[Dr_Venture]

I dunno about you but for 99% of the players I've seen, if they are evading torpedoes, they aren't shooting. Unlike a real ship that has hundreds of crew to do more than one thing as a time, we don't. The turret arcs are tricky, sure, but Myoko has a turret that is tricky as well, and You still get lethal torpedoes. 

 

You forget Tone is half aircraft carrier, the entire rear aside from steering and propulsion was related to carrying aircraft munitions and fuel for it's planes.

 

Coupled with the next to no armor of the Japanese cruisers, you're gonna get a ship with a bigger citadel than the Atago. 

[DoomStomper]

 

You forget Tone is half aircraft carrier, the entire rear aside from steering and propulsion was related to carrying aircraft munitions and fuel for it's planes.

 

Coupled with the next to no armor of the Japanese cruisers, you're gonna get a ship with a bigger citadel than the Atago. 

 

Yup.

 

Been saying for a while that I might be interested in the Tone if they give it some unique aircraft-related perks, such as a significantly reduced cooldown between launches, or the ability to operate both a fighter and spotter at once.  If not, I don't see it bringing enough to the table that the Atago doesn't already.

[Cruiser_Nagara]

 

You forget Tone is half aircraft carrier, the entire rear aside from steering and propulsion was related to carrying aircraft munitions and fuel for it's planes.

 

Coupled with the next to no armor of the Japanese cruisers, you're gonna get a ship with a bigger citadel than the Atago. 

 

It has thicker armor than Atago, and having a big citadel doesn't make it any different from other tier 7 cruisers (Pensacola? At least Tone has a beefy belt) An angled Tone showing its front will be difficult for other cruisers to penetrate. The rear should be its weak spot, but other ships, Warspite notably, also have vulnerable rears. So what's the problem?

[crzyhawk]

I want it because I like the ship and wish to add it to my collection.  I don't have some idea in my mind that it's going to be any kind of awesome.

[Dr_Venture]

 

It has thicker armor than Atago, and having a big citadel doesn't make it any different from other tier 7 cruisers (Pensacola? At least Tone has a beefy belt) An angled Tone showing its front will be difficult for other cruisers to penetrate. The rear should be its weak spot, but other ships, Warspite notably, also have vulnerable rears. So what's the problem?

 

Cruisers will be the least of your worries boss, it's the Battleships who will see you as an easy kill that will be the major issue. 

[DoomStomper]

It has thicker armor than Atago, and having a big citadel doesn't make it any different from other tier 7 cruisers (Pensacola? At least Tone has a beefy belt) An angled Tone showing its front will be difficult for other cruisers to penetrate. The rear should be its weak spot, but other ships, Warspite notably, also have vulnerable rears. So what's the problem?

 

I tried to go into detail comparing the Tone and Atago last month.

 

 

As requested, here is a detailed look at Tone's armor scheme.  It goes without saying that as an unreleased ship, these values are subject to change.  At the moment I would say that while indeed well-protected for tier 7, Tone is nothing exceptional and by no means has the best cruiser armor in the game. (contrary to popular belief and based solely on 3d model comparisons, I'd say that titles belongs to the Des Moines due to having coverage comparable to Zao in most regards except for stronger turrets and a more extensive belt over the engineering spaces) The armor models in general are exceedingly complex, so a good number of pictures will be required to make sense of them.

 

Let's take a look at the belt and magazine armor, along with the citadel hit box and some comparisons with Atago:

 

 

 

Atago's has greater vertical coverage, but Tone's also covers the steering gear where Atago only has 38-51mm of protection.

 

 

 

 

Tone has a clear edge here, yet still only finds itself between the Mogami/Ibuki with 140mm and the Zao with 152mm.  The only area where Tone has 175mm is a small bulkhead just forward of the #1 turret.

 

 

 

Less difference here than one might hope.

 

Deck armor is modeled with layers upon layers and would require too many pictures to accurately depict.  It did seem a bit better overall on the Tone, however.

 

Hopefully this has been of some use for those who are interested.  If anyone wishes to see any further comparisons, please feel free to ask and I will post them when I have a chance.

 

Edit: Those pics are too big to show up completely in that quote (from my phone, anyway). Might have to click the arrow link back to the original post to view them in their entirety.

[Cruiser_Nagara]

 

Cruisers will be the least of your worries boss, it's the Battleships who will see you as an easy kill that will be the major issue. 

 

again how does that make Tone different from any other cruiser in the game that's lunch for a battleship if gives up the broadside? And why are we comparing a tier 7 to a tier 8 that can heal?

[Legendary_Typo]

Isn't the Tone going to be the one with lots of AA, not lots of planes?

[RuinerZ]

Isn't the Tone going to be the one with lots of AA, not lots of planes?

 

I read somewhere that she would have a lot of catapult planes when compared to other CAs, not sure though.

[DoomStomper]

Isn't the Tone going to be the one with lots of AA, not lots of planes?

 

That niche would probably belong to Maya (a Takao-class with a forward turret removed in place of a more comprehensive AA suite) if they ever add her in game.

[Legendary_Typo]

 

I read somewhere that she would have a lot of catapult planes when compared to other CAs, not sure though.

 

 

That niche would probably belong to Maya (a Takao-class with a forward turret removed in place of a more comprehensive AA suite) if they ever add her in game.

 

You can already see it with the extended tech tree mod IIRC.

[Tekina_]

Isn't the Tone going to be the one with lots of AA, not lots of planes?

 

I was under the impression it had both. Enough planes to get 3 double sea plane launches with skills and good AA for an IJN cruiser.

[RuinerZ]

 

 

You can already see it with the extended tech tree mod IIRC.

 

 

That's a lot of AA guns. Can't view the consumables though. :/

[IKU19]

 

 

That's a lot of AA guns. Can't view the consumables though. :/

 

Consumables are the same as any other T8 cruiser (Atago not included)

 

Source: data mining

 

I was under the impression it had both. Enough planes to get 3 double sea plane launches with skills and good AA for an IJN cruiser.

 

Yup, she has a hangar space of 6 planes which is 2 more than the American cruisers and 3 more than the other Japanese cruisers. Basically a boat to retrain carrier captains.

 

well considering i havent seen tone at all but have seen a few kitakami's being tested, i would bet kitakami will come out first.

 

Bad comparison, Kitakami won't release in a conventional manner.

 

Also to OP: I read a dev post somewhere on the RU forums that she wasn't bound to release in 2015, but rather sometime early 2016; spring at the latest. Same goes for Kitakami but that was heavily connotated with a "maybe." Tone's wasn't. It's safe to say that Tone going to get released in the first quarter of 2016.

[Hunter_Steel]

Also, Tone's belt is 170mm thick, not 100mm thick. Her citadel actually would be smaller compared to other IJN CA, and she won't have the problem Izumo has, for one simple reason is, unlike Izumo, Tone is nimble. Izumo isn't, meaning Tone can EASILY take advantage of her guns. (And the fact that getting a magazine citadel hit would be next to impossible if a Tone is angled correctly. She'd be able to tank shells with that belt.)

 

 

Besides, I want Tone.

 

~Hunter

[dcr66]

Extra float planes will be pretty much fighters' bait unless we have control of them like regular carrier planes. I read elsewhere in this forum controlling float planes was considered OP way back when. If we can send them to attack something, it will make the ship more useful.

[FuyuzuKii]

Tone will come...

Soon.

Trademark.

[Lord_Dolza]

well considering i havent seen tone at all but have seen a few kitakami's being tested, i would bet kitakami will come out first.

 

I did see a Kitakami in battle last night so you might be right