Detonation

[GAIVS_IVLIVS_CAESAR]

Was just in a Nurnberg, carried the whole team until the end of the game, then detonated by a shell hit on my tail when I was fully angled to that BB.

 

This is nonsense. I would suggest change the mechanism of detonation to that, for any ship except a DD, it should have to be a citadel hit before it is a detonation. Such sudden death should always be a penalty to a mistake, at some degree, but never a pure joke of RNGesus.

[bad_arcade_kitty]

i didn't get why dd should suffer... if anything they are known for surviving after detonations

 

p.s. 'a shell hit on my tail', aww, i'm imagining nurmberg as a catgirl with a hurt tail now, she tied a bandage there (:

[OseanTanker]

Hasn't someone been detonated by a shell hitting the flag on the aft of their ship? 

 

With that said, I do agree.  It seems to be purely random.  And that is stupid.  Unless the shell actually penetrates the magazines, there should be 0% chance for a detonation.

[Facehurt]

MFW the first match I run out of detonation flags in I am hit once by a HE round from a farrgut that destorys my ammo racks

 

good thing wargaming gave me more of those fancy new detonation flags:^) O H B O Y so excited

 

oh yeah and it was in ranked fugg

[Macabe]

i didn't get why dd should suffer... if anything they are known for surviving after detonations

 

p.s. 'a shell hit on my tail', aww, i'm imagining nurmberg as a catgirl with a hurt tail now, she tied a bandage there (:

Destroyers only "Survived" magazine detonations because their bows were more easily replaced. For example: The USS Shaw. Forward Magazine detonation, the only reason it was able to sail again is because it was drydocked at the time of detonation. For all intensive purposes, a ship regardless of class is going to sink if its magazine is detonated at sea. Same concept of having a firecracker go off in your hand. Open hand: You get burned badly, close your hand around it and you're likely to lose said hand. A ship quite frankly can't hold the pressure from their magazine blowing up.

 

 

Mahan-class USS Shaw post-detonation:

 

 

If you have sources showing destroyers being detonated at sea and surviving, please do tell.

 

 

[bad_arcade_kitty]

meantime mutsu and royal oak died while being in their ports

[Fog_Battleship_Yamato]

meantime mutsu and royal oak died while being in their ports

 

what the [edited]does that have anything to do with anything

[bad_arcade_kitty]

shaw survived her detonation while being in the port, those 2 bb didn't survive their detonations

[RogueFlameHaze]

Nurn and konig are reputable for two things, having their engine and steering get knocked out, and detonating. 

[mxlm]

 For all intensive purposes,

 

You either mean intents and purposes or intensive porpoises. 

[XxBlack_MagicxX]

Was just in a Nurnberg, carried the whole team until the end of the game, then detonated by a shell hit on my tail when I was fully angled to that BB.

 

This is nonsense. I would suggest change the mechanism of detonation to that, for any ship except a DD, it should have to be a citadel hit before it is a detonation. Such sudden death should always be a penalty to a mistake, at some degree, but never a pure joke of RNGesus.

 

Working as intended for German Cruisers. The Konigsberg and the Nurnberg are some of the worst but get used to this happening all the way up the line - unless you are facing directly at a BB, they'll wreck you from all kinds of angles. The detonation thing is a rare treat specifically from these two ships. Luckily the Yorck on up are pretty good about just blowing up in most cases. 

 

I actually improve my KM Cruiser's survivability in many cases by closing with a BB, bow forward and hoping for a torp shot and getting hits with AP.  Mind you this also makes you a huge target for the whole rest of the team, but that's another issue. I think there's some notes in 0.5.2 that indicate some of these low tier KM cruisers may get improvements to engine reliability, but not armor. 

[Macabe]

You either mean intents and purposes or intensive porpoises. 

 

The former.... I need to work on that. 

 

 

 

[Macabe]

shaw survived her detonation while being in the port, those 2 bb didn't survive their detonations

Nice Fallacy. 

[bad_arcade_kitty]

don't see how it's a fallacy

3 ships underwent detonations being in their ports, 2 died, they were bb, one survived, she was a dd, where is a fallacy there

[atPrick__]

Detonation is [edited]stupid...

[Macabe]

don't see how it's a fallacy

3 ships underwent detonations being in their ports, 2 died, they were bb, one survived, she was a dd, where is a fallacy there

You're comparing ships in completely different classes that have nothing to do with each other. You're putting out irrelevant information to distract people that this is a conversation about a destroyer's ability to survive a magazine detonation(The fallacy is called a Red Herring, Google it).  This is NOT a conversation contrasting Battleships and DDs. The Shaw image was used as an example to show that a magazine detonation will tear a destroyer apart. If we look at this realistically, the USS Shaw only survived because it was in a dry dock.. If it were at sea, it would NOT have survived. You can clearly see the separation of the bow and rest of the ship in the image i posted. 

 

We are not talking about battleships. The IJN Mutsu and HMS Royal Oak have nothing to do with the USS Shaw. We are talking about a Destroyers ability to survive a magazine detonation. Not a Battleship's.

[Raptor_alcor]

don't see how it's a fallacy

3 ships underwent detonations being in their ports, 2 died, they were bb, one survived, she was a dd, where is a fallacy there

 

Considering you are rather known for BSing and not exactly being the most accurate with information even I can see the red herring fallacy that you are putting out. 

[WhyamI]

Was just in a Nurnberg, carried the whole team until the end of the game, then detonated by a shell hit on my tail when I was fully angled to that BB.

 

This is nonsense. I would suggest change the mechanism of detonation to that, for any ship except a DD, it should have to be a citadel hit before it is a detonation. Such sudden death should always be a penalty to a mistake, at some degree, but never a pure joke of RNGesus.

 

HaHA get used to it this will not changed was in tanks at start of game and is still there its all Up to RNG who wins or who losses skill is only about 10% of it. I have done a side run on a BB and hit with 6 torps the guy lived and shot me one time with ap rounds and i detonated.

[Show_Me_Your_Cits]

don't see how it's a fallacy

3 ships underwent detonations being in their ports, 2 died, they were bb, one survived, she was a dd, where is a fallacy there

 

You still fail to see the point. All three were sunk, and all three would be at the bottom of the ocean EXCEPT for the fact that the destroyer just so happened to be sitting in a dry dock, so it was able to be salvaged. The others weren't. Were they in port? Yeah. Were they in a dry dock, with facilities for building and repairing ships mere tens of feet away and positioned optimally to work on said ships? Only one was. The Shaw was "killed," but they salvaged it and put a new bow on. It went on to sail again because of blind luck, and blind luck only.

[bad_arcade_kitty]

this 'would' 'except if' etc sound as a poor excuse imo

i swear she only survived because the dock, honest etc crap

 

ships with similarly destroyed bows remained afloat you know, consider this new orlean pic, she weren't in a dry dock

 

[Macabe]

this 'would' 'except if' etc sound as a poor excuse imo

i swear she only survived because the dock, honest etc crap

 

ships with similarly destroyed bows remained afloat you know, consider this new orlean pic, she weren't in a dry dock

 

I'll take an argument that has to do with destroyers surviving detonations. The New Orleans has nothing to do with that.

[Killjoy1941]

this 'would' 'except if' etc sound as a poor excuse imo

i swear she only survived because the dock, honest etc crap

 

ships with similarly destroyed bows remained afloat you know, consider this new orlean pic, she weren't in a dry dock

 

 

That was a torpedo strike and can only logically be used to build an argument for USN damage control (I can give you about half a dozen similar pics, all of them CAs and BBs). No ship has ever survived a magazine detonation. Ever.

 

The only reason G_I_C wanted to exempt DDs is because they don't have citadels in the game. You could just as easily substitute torpedo launchers for citadels.

[bad_arcade_kitty]

No ship has ever survived a magazine detonation. Ever.

 

shaw, a mahan-class dd, survived it with very similar damages, see the photo on the previous page

[MrDeaf]

 

That was a torpedo strike and can only logically be used to build an argument for USN damage control (I can give you about half a dozen similar pics, all of them CAs and BBs). No ship has ever survived a magazine detonation. Ever.

 

The only reason G_I_C wanted to exempt DDs is because they don't have citadels in the game. You could just as easily substitute torpedo launchers for citadels.

 

A bunch of IJN ships had that happen to them as well, and they made it back to port for repairs, so it's not like USN damage control was a cut above the rest.

If anything, it's an argument for crew experience level.

 

e.g. Amatsukaze, first smoke stack and forward, including bridge, fell off, but the rear half made it back to port.

Suzutsuki took a major hit near her bridge, nearly sunk due to flooding and fires, but made it back to port by sailing backwards.

[Macabe]

 

shaw, a mahan-class dd, survived it with very similar damages, see the photo on the previous page

 

So you're saying with certainty the USS Shaw would be salvageable had it been at sea or out of the dry dock that it was bombed in. Note that the ship is partially submerged(dry dock isn't fully flooded) so it would have been fully sunk at sea or in port. I don't see how essentially sunk is the same as afloat though.