New PC build (off or on topic? not sure)

[soulsedge]

Current comp runs game on medium.  anything beyond that, with carriers planes i get stutters.   So looking to build a PC for max settings

 

Also wanna run fallout 4 at max settings and star citizen.

 

Thinking of the following:  could use advice as i haven't built a pc in a long time....What do you all think?  I'm 100% sure on the CPU and Graphics card, just not sure on ram/motherboard combo.   Ram is 2400 rated, which i think mobo can support.   Also, brother in law said AMD makes Asus, or the other way, whatever. and said i would be better off with a Asus GTX 970 vid card for compatibility, since i'm getting Asus board, and AMD cpu.  opinions?

 

CPU: AMD FX-9590 Vishera 8-Core 4.7 GHz Socket AM3+ 220W FD9590FHHKWOF Desktop Processor - Black Edition
 

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair V Formula-Z AM3+ AMD 990FX + SB950 8 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Gaming Motherboard with 3-Way SLI/CrossFireX ...

 

Video:  MSI GeForce GTX 970 DirectX 12 GTX 970 GAMING 4G 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support G-SYNC Support

Ram:  G.SKILL TridentX Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C10D-16GTX

 

[MikeCMyers]

AMD sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I'm an Intel fanboi, but AMD still sucks.

[OneTonGun]

Don't mix Intel and AMD driven components.  Stay with one or the other.  I prefer Intel myself.

[aussie1579]

I can tell you from experience a 970 will not run star citizen on max settings in its current state. High/Medium for sure

[soulsedge]

Don't mix Intel and AMD driven components.  Stay with one or the other.  I prefer Intel myself.

 

which is the intel driven component?

[soulsedge]

i'm open to any ideas for a pc build.    I have 1000 bucks to work with before taxes/shipping.   About 1100 overall.

[Player_3424612771]

Stay within the topic - he's not comparing AMD and Intel. Their are no bad CPU's nowadays if you know how/when to use them.

With that out of the way,....

 

"Q" - what is your monitor? Your build depends how 'demanding' your monitor(s) and games.

Are you planning to use double/triple/quad monitor setup since you mentioned SLI? 

Be aware some games, tho rare, does not support SLI. Better to get one good GPU than going with SLI.

Their are also SLI compatibility issues but that's another topic.

 

1Kusd  doesn't do much when it comes to building 'good' gaming rig....

 

Good luck with your build.

 

[soulsedge]

Stay within the topic - he's not comparing AMD and Intel. Their are no bad CPU's nowadays if you know how/when to use them.

With that out of the way,....

 

"Q" - what is your monitor? Your build depends how 'demanding' your monitor(s) and games.

Are you planning to use double/triple/quad monitor setup since you mentioned SLI? 

Be aware some games, tho rare, does not support SLI. Better to get one good GPU than going with SLI.

Their are also SLI compatibility issues but that's another topic.

 

Good luck with your build.

 

 

I just have a single monitor.  LG flatron W2452T.   never been a big fan of multiple monitors, and my eyesight is exceptional so dont need a huge screen hehe...this 24" is perfect =)

 

i would consider intel.  but honestly i have no clue about them.   i dunno the difference between i5's and i7's.   or which version of i5 or i7 is better, etc.     AMD is pretty straight forward.  6 core, or 8 core.   3.5, 4.0 or 4.7ghz.  heh

 

[Darksamus224]

 

which is the intel driven component?

I think he means the GPU, but last time I checked NVidia =/= Intel.

[soulsedge]

I think he means the GPU, but last time I checked NVidia =/= Intel.

 

Ahhh yes.   nvidia i heard is aligned with intel.    

[Lord_Zath]

Just built my PC 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/c7LD4D

 

I'd also suggest steering away from AMD.  Their processors are good bang for buck, but I don't like how they run so hot.  Same with their graphics cards...

[ZombieFlanders]

get an intel CPU/mobo. theyre just faster in just about every practical way. for the same price you can get a haswell i5 which is a great CPU. in some benchmarks AMD might edge out intel in some heavy multi-threading stuff, but not much else. most games will definitely run better with an i3/i5 at the same price point, then you can over-clock to get more performance (id get an aftermarket cooler, no matter which CPU you get, with the haswell i5 you could easily get it to OC to 4.4ish Ghz where it will way outperform the AMD chip).

 

as for 'alignment/mixing' of AMD CPUs/GPUs or intel with nvidia, that is a myth and wont cause issues. if you want an AMD CPU it will work just fine with an nvidia GPU, or intel CPU with and AMD GPU. intel is just better for CPUs at the moment and nvidia tends to have better driver support (but not always...) and more options for custom anti-aliasing, HBAO+ and other graphic options.

 

also, mixing vendors for components makes exactly 0 difference...most GPUs are exactly the same from each vendor, generally the only difference may be custom cooling which has no affect on compatibility or drivers etc..i have a gigabyte mobo and am running SLI with one EVGA GPU and the second is gigabyte. one GPU has stock/reference cooling, the second has custom (heck, they even have different clock speeds...). my system runs perfectly with mixed components and playes games great, in WoWS SLI is working and i am able to play down-sampled from 1440 to 1080 which really helps out the jaggies.

[aether_tech]

If it's not to late, you might want to take a look at the Dark Rock Pro 3 cooler from BeQuiet!, or the Noctua D14 or D15. And go with a Samsung 850 EVO, they are on sale all across the net right now, great drives.  I think a GTX980 is a dumb choice, you're paying a massive premium for them. Lastly, 1KW PSU is way, WAY overkill. I'm not particularly a fan of the P2 series from EVGA, but the particular model you chose does score well on the various review sites. Still, i'd suggest going down to a G2 (or other Super Flower Leadex platform of absurdly high quality) that's in the 850W range.

 

Lastly, I'd suggest a  regular i7-6700, you lose a few hundred mhz, but save about $50 and can easily make that up with a smidgen of overclocking.

 

In regards to your choice of GTX980....

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2177-fallout-4-pc-video-card-fps-benchmark-all-resolutions (I checked other reviewers, they had all similar results, so I just grabbed the easiest one to read.)

 

The 970 only suffers about 8% behind a much higher priced 980, AT 1440p.

At 1080p, the 970 is a FEW frames behind the 980.

Even at 4k, the 980 pulls only a few frames ahead of the 970.

[soulsedge]

everyone keeps teling me AMD sucks.   but i've always had great luck with AMD cpu's in the past.   if i get AMD CPU this time, it would have liquid cooling. (which i'm looking at corsair cpu coolers)

 

right now i'm running a Q6600 (2.4ghz) intel quad core. with a radeon 6850 video card.    with DDR2 ram...which oddly enough will run fallout 4 and star citizen at absolute lowest settings.  lol

Processors Information

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Processor 1            ID = 0
    Number of cores        4 (max 4)
    Number of threads    4 (max 4)
    Name            Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
    Codename        Kentsfield
    Specification        Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
    Package (platform ID)    Socket 775 LGA (0x4)
    Technology        65 nm
    Core Speed        3200.1 MHz  <--- OC'd
    Multiplier x Bus Speed    8.0 x 400.0 MHz
    Rated Bus speed        1600.1 MHz
    Stock frequency        2400 MHz
   Temperature 0        48°C (118°F) [0x34] (Core #0)  <-- running cool overlocked, no liquid cooling.

 

Chipset
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Northbridge            Intel X38 rev. 01
Southbridge            Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) rev. 02
Graphic Interface        PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width        x16
PCI-E Max Link Width        x16
Memory Type            DDR2
Memory Size            4 GBytes
Channels            Dual, (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency        400.0 MHz (1:1)

 

Memory SPD
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   Memory type        DDR2
    Module format        Regular UDIMM
    Manufacturer (ID)    Corsair (7F7F9E00000000000000)
    Size            2048 MBytes
    Max bandwidth        PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
    Part number        CM2X2048-8500C5D  
    Number of banks        2
    Data width        64 bits

 

Display Adapters
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Display adapter 0    
    Name            AMD Radeon HD 6850
    Board Manufacturer    PC Partner
    Codename        Barts
    Technology        40 nm
    Memory size        1024 MB
    Memory type        GDDR5
    PCI device        bus 1 (0x1), device 0 (0x0), function 0 (0x0)
    Vendor ID        0x1002 (0x174B)
    Model ID        0x6739 (0xE174)
    Performance Level    0
        Core clock    100.0 MHz
        Memory clock    150.0 MHz
    Performance Level    1
        Core clock    600.0 MHz
        Memory clock    1000.0 MHz
    Performance Level    2
        Core clock    775.0 MHz   <--- hits 850mhz on demand OC'd with AMD overdrive
        Memory clock    1000.0 MHz   <-- hits 1100mhz on demand OC'd with AMD overdrive

Monitor 0    
    Model            W2452 (LG Electronics)
      Size            24.0 inches
    Max Resolution        1920 x 1200 @ 59 Hz
    Horizontal Freq. Range    30-83 kHz
    Vertical Freq. Range    56-75 Hz
    Max Pixel Clock        170 MHz
    Gamma Factor        2.2

[_TheGuardian__]

I have read the NVidia 980 TI outperforms the NVidia Quadro, and is hundreds $$$ less.

[aether_tech]

well, duh, the 6850  is from like 2010, and the Q6600 is from...2006?

 

The q6600 doesn't even make the recommended spec for minimum on fallout 4 (i5-2300, or Phenom II x4 3ghz) You're about 40% under power on the CPU. As for the GPU, minimum recommended (AMD side,) is a 7870....and that's uh...15-20% underpowered, at least.

 

Ya, you'll run it at the minimum settings, but will it hit 30fps average?

 

I have read the NVidia 980 TI outperforms the NVidia Quadro, and is hundreds $$$ less.

 

 

Because the 980TI's drivers are for standard use "gaming," while quadro drivers are for workstations (3d object manipulation, rendering, cinema edits, etc...)

[Summon3r]

first of all mixing components will cause you no headaches what so ever, see my build in my sig, zero issues runs every game including star citizen on max.

get yourself a solid intel CPU preferable a K model I5 or if budget is no issue go I7, but if its choice of better gpu over the I7 then go with the better gpu as an I5 will mow through any game especially if you get a K model and allow yourself some overclocking room  

[ZombieFlanders]

look at these benchmarks: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8316/amds-5-ghz-turbo-cpu-in-retail-the-fx9590-and-asrock-990fx-extreme9-review/8

 

intel chips with lower speeds and core count outperform the 9590 (heck, its beat by an i3!), and with an i5 haswell K you can easily OC it to around 4.4Ghz, probably higher with liquid. plus the power draw on the AMD is huge...roughly 3x a haswell chip. intel is just better right now except for in some very situation highly multi-threading stuff which is hard to see outside of synthetic benchmarks. for games intel is better, hands down.

[Player_3424612771]

I've use both Intel and AMD cpu's several times - depending how its being used. Both CPU's have it's plus/minuses. Nothing wrong with them if used/build right way. Go with Intel if $$$$ is not an issue otherwise get AMD and drop extra $$$ saved on GPU. Most newer games now are GPU driven and doesn't depend much on CPU - tho its good to have them in case the needs arise.

 

Yes, SLI/Xfire can be combined with different vendors BUT you are not getting it's optimal performance. Theirs alot to it than just combining GPU's.

Think of it like combining different RAMs - they will work alright but not doing its optimum job.

 

< if i get AMD CPU this time, it would have liquid cooling. (which i'm looking at corsair cpu coolers)>

No need for after market cooler if your case has good airflow/ventilation and you don't plan to OC but then again why get an FX

 

 

 

[Player_3424612771]

I have read the NVidia 980 TI outperforms the NVidia Quadro, and is hundreds $$$ less.

 

You can't compare 'workstation' and 'gaming' GPU's...different API's 

[soulsedge]

well, duh, the 6850  is from like 2010, and the Q6600 is from...2006?

 

The q6600 doesn't even make the recommended spec for minimum on fallout 4 (i5-2300, or Phenom II x4 3ghz) You're about 40% under power on the CPU. As for the GPU, minimum recommended (AMD side,) is a 7870....and that's uh...15-20% underpowered, at least.

 

Ya, you'll run it at the minimum settings, but will it hit 30fps average?

 

 

 

believe it or not.   yes! LOL    i get zero stutters....well i will get an intial 5 second stutter when coming into big city landscapes in fallout 4.   but after 5sec.  loads up, and all good. =)   on min settings

[soulsedge]

ok, you guys changed my mind, and my current intel has done me well.  so i will follow your advice peoples!     This is what i have in my basket, just have to press buy.   good?

 

[Lord_Zath]

looks good but are you sure you want to go water cooling?  Not sure it's worth the risk for the "ooh" and "ahh".  

[aether_tech]

My vote, no water cooling. Unless you're going for a high overclock. A good standard air cooler is still the best option, with the least possibility of taking your computer out with small leak.

[MorbidGamer]

I get 76 FPS in WOWs...

I7 3770k @ 4.3 GHz 1.135v

2x8 GB DDR3 @ 2133 10-10-10-30 1.5v

GTX 980 Ti 1430 MHz core and 7222 MHz mem

2 x 256 850 pro's Raid0

 

If I were you go skylake. Since it's the new kid in town.