Battleships Hiding

[Andreas_Jager]

What the blue blazes is the deal with BB's running from a push like scared little girls? Seems more and more they leave the cruisers to deal with the enemy push while they hide. You guys seeing this or is it just my rotten streak of luck?

[Sinboto]

BBs are the most important part of the fleet, cruisers are expendable.......or something like that I'm not good at being snooty. 

 

[The_Goblin_King]

I play BBs and it drives me nuts when the other BBs are firing pot shots from the rear. I had a glorious game in my NY where I went in balls deep into the crucible and the cruisers backed me up. We smashed the opposition and I got 6 citadels and 110000 dmg. After we had finished the intense exciting crucible of ocean warfare I had time to look at the minimap and noted there were battleships hugging the blue border. I assume they fired some long range sniper shots that mostly missed. They certainly didn't get 2000 base experience for the game like I did. Now don't get me wrong -a lot of the time you can't do what I did. But there is that moment in almost every game where you should. And by actually brawling at the crucial time you will smash them and win.

[pmgaudio]

so 46 battles in BBS (AND you BOUGHT the Tirpits) but 319 in Cruisers...
I am assuming you have not played BBs enough to actually know what and WHEN to do what  and to whom in them...??

As long as the CRUISERS take care of the DDs then maybe they can make successful runs...
THE CRUISERS ROLE IS TO PROTECT THE BBS, NOT the other way around... thought you would know that playing cruisers so much...
I may not be the best player but I so know when to STAY THE EFF away from a fight when there are 5 DDs that you cruisers can't seem to get rid of....
So why am I going to engage the enemy at close range when A- there are 4-5 DDs just ITCHING to torp me, and B- I have excellent range to take out the Cruisers ...
BBs koick out cruisers, DDs torrp BBs and Cruisers take out DDs and protect BBs.. while the BBs try to protect CVs... everyone has a role, and everyone thinks they know what to do... I mean it is a game after all, but if you are going to complain about BBs not protecting YOU, maybe you need to kill the DDs so we can get in closer and wipe everyone out...

Now I may be wrong about some things, but hey that's How I feel and when I am in my CA I am a DD hunting FIEND!!!
THEN I do my job
I am not one to run from ANY FIGHT, but I WILL run from 2 or 3 DDs that are still alive 5 minutes in

 

[pmgaudio]

I play BBs and it drives me nuts when the other BBs are firing pot shots from the rear. I had a glorious game in my NY where I went in balls deep into the crucible and the cruisers backed me up. We smashed the opposition and I got 6 citadels and 110000 dmg. After we had finished the intense exciting crucible of ocean warfare I had time to look at the minimap and noted there were battleships hugging the blue border. I assume they fired some long range sniper shots that mostly missed. They certainly didn't get 2000 base experience for the game like I did. Now don't get me wrong -a lot of the time you can't do what I did. But there is that moment in almost every game where you should. And by actually brawling at the crucial time you will smash them and win.

yeah when I get games like that I smile... but if the DDs aren't taken care of, well it doesn't always work out like that, LOL )i like my NY but am SO CLOSE to the NM I can taste it!!!)

 

[kjarri]

Really depends on the situation.when it's just 3 on one side vs half their team or more of course I will play the run and gun tactic for as long as I can. The longer I am alive and delaying the enemy, the more time my team has to mop up the other flank and cap or come around the back and assist. However if the odds are even or in my favor than yeah, BB's need to push and push hard (providing there are cruisers to assist if a DD pops up)

[Andreas_Jager]

so 46 battles in BBS (AND you BOUGHT the Tirpits) but 319 in Cruisers...

I am assuming you have not played BBs enough to actually know what and WHEN to do what  and to whom in them...??

 

As long as the CRUISERS take care of the DDs then maybe they can make successful runs...

THE CRUISERS ROLE IS TO PROTECT THE BBS, NOT the other way around... thought you would know that playing cruisers so much...

I may not be the best player but I so know when to STAY THE EFF away from a fight when there are 5 DDs that you cruisers can't seem to get rid of....

So why am I going to engage the enemy at close range when A- there are 4-5 DDs just ITCHING to torp me, and B- I have excellent range to take out the Cruisers ...

BBs koick out cruisers, DDs torrp BBs and Cruisers take out DDs and protect BBs.. while the BBs try to protect CVs... everyone has a role, and everyone thinks they know what to do... I mean it is a game after all, but if you are going to complain about BBs not protecting YOU, maybe you need to kill the DDs so we can get in closer and wipe everyone out...

 

Now I may be wrong about some things, but hey that's How I feel and when I am in my CA I am a DD hunting FIEND!!!

THEN I do my job

I am not one to run from ANY FIGHT, but I WILL run from 2 or 3 DDs that are still alive 5 minutes in

 

 

I love the arrogance dripping from your comments. Cruisers can't kill the DD's if they are busy dealing with incoming fire from enemy BB's. However, if the friendly BB's support the cruisers, the cruisers can support the BB's. When YOU know the enemy BB's are all going to one flank and you run away, you are running like a little girl and deserve to be sunk by the CV's torp planes.

 

Yeah, I bought the Tirpitz. So? Jealous much?

[Wowzery]

I'm seeing this type action in coop (coop, against bots).  Was in my NY, on the two brothers map, going up the left with two others (a BB and CA) and the moment we encountered an enemy, both (BOTH) turned tail and ran.  I'm shooting, absorbing the hits no problem, sank an enemy cruiser but got torped to death (which could have easily been dealt with by the others had they remained).  I don't even think they fired a shot, at least the results didn't show much, someone capped and I had the top score (sinking 1 ship).  I don't understand this attitude of running away (especially against bots).

[pmgaudio]

LOL,,,

 

[GearaDoga]

Probably pre-emptive running away, so they don't get hung out to dry when the Cruisers all turn tail and leave the Battleships to die...

 

It's become something of a survival reflex for Battleship captains by this point.

[MnemonScarlet]

Oh trust me, the BBs who don't run away get plenty pissed when they head out with the CAs and DDs, and the other BBs quietly turn around and leave everyone else who kept advancing to be hung out to dry.

[Arvanna_1]

The OP isn't imaging things a lot of BB drivers will only support a push from 15 or more klicks behind it cause they don't want to get shot at. Doesn't matter if there are other BB's up there supporting the cruisers these twerps are at least that far behind them ready to dodge behind the nearest Island the second any fire comes their way. It sucks and half the time it gets you focused fired down quickly, but more often then naught you also rack up a higher score then any of the back fielders who are averaging scores in the mid hundreds.

[Fusion_1965]

WWI  -  The Capital Ships spent a majority of their time in port until Jutland because the risk was so great; the expense to costly.

WWII -  The Germans really had to take care while attempting to make a blockade run undetected through the Denmark Straights.  Look at the way Bizmark and Graff Spee were hunted down.  Deutschland was renamed Lutzow because it would be to much of a moral breaker if a Capital Ship bearing the name of the Fatherland were sunk.  Perhaps one exception was the Channel Dash, but that was a very desperate moment.

 

Imo - I think the popularity of the German Capital ships was the fact that they were outnumbered and had to stay under the radar and play hide and seek.

It's not unlike the lore of being a pirate or a submarine commander.  Perhaps even a sense of defiance.  I will admit, a larger Navy can be more aggressive with their battleships, but even these had to use discretion with the rise of the Aircraft Carrier.

 

[Admiral_Ballsey]

 

I love the arrogance dripping from your comments. Cruisers can't kill the DD's if they are busy dealing with incoming fire from enemy BB's. However, if the friendly BB's support the cruisers, the cruisers can support the BB's. When YOU know the enemy BB's are all going to one flank and you run away, you are running like a little girl and deserve to be sunk by the CV's torp planes.

 

Yeah, I bought the Tirpitz. So? Jealous much?

 

 Doubt its a matter of jealousy, and this is not a reflection on YOU personally, but my observation is that many people who bought the Tirpitz bought it because its a cool ship, and they figured they could leapfrog the grind to have a tier 8 BB. The end result is you have players with a fancy ship they really don't understand, and lower tier BB's pound on them. In my T6 New Mexico, you would think that i would be concerned when I see a couple T8 Tirpitz on the opposing team. I am not. Some are good, but most are not. Whats more I have learned to be wary of Tirpitz drivers on my own team. I watch them in action and on the mini map and wonder what the heck they are doing or where the heck are they going. I'm pretty confident that many guys that focus on playing BB;s and have learned how to drive them the hard way through experience, generally look at Tirpitz drivers the same way, and the pmgaudio's comment is probably a reflection of that.

 

As for BB's and CA's supporting each other, people need to realize that both classes of ships are stronger when they work together. There is a similar thread in the Battleships section full of BB captains crying about how CA;s don't support them. Its true on both sides in my view, because everyone wants to do what is best for themselves. One thing that might help in the support department is to use the "Focus Fire on the Target" button more. I'm more than happy to oblige if I can. There isn't too much that is more satisfying in this game than playing on a team that is working together. (Okay, one shotting a cruiser is pretty satisfying but you get my point).

[Xenomancers]

Gotta get real here. BB's being afraid to take damage is ruining the game.

[Noreaga]

 

I love the arrogance dripping from your comments. Cruisers can't kill the DD's if they are busy dealing with incoming fire from enemy BB's. However, if the friendly BB's support the cruisers, the cruisers can support the BB's. When YOU know the enemy BB's are all going to one flank and you run away, you are running like a little girl and deserve to be sunk by the CV's torp planes.

 

Yeah, I bought the Tirpitz. So? Jealous much?

 

you can't find time to take a shot at the DD's in you cruiser during the 20-35 seconds it takes a BB to reload? no idea if they did the right thing in your games or not, but you also need to drop the arrogance and take responsibility for your mistakes as well. 

[Ujenele]

so 46 battles in BBS (AND you BOUGHT the Tirpits) but 319 in Cruisers...

I am assuming you have not played BBs enough to actually know what and WHEN to do what  and to whom in them...??

 

As long as the CRUISERS take care of the DDs then maybe they can make successful runs...

THE CRUISERS ROLE IS TO PROTECT THE BBS, NOT the other way around... thought you would know that playing cruisers so much...

I may not be the best player but I so know when to STAY THE EFF away from a fight when there are 5 DDs that you cruisers can't seem to get rid of....

So why am I going to engage the enemy at close range when A- there are 4-5 DDs just ITCHING to torp me, and B- I have excellent range to take out the Cruisers ...

BBs koick out cruisers, DDs torrp BBs and Cruisers take out DDs and protect BBs.. while the BBs try to protect CVs... everyone has a role, and everyone thinks they know what to do... I mean it is a game after all, but if you are going to complain about BBs not protecting YOU, maybe you need to kill the DDs so we can get in closer and wipe everyone out...

 

Now I may be wrong about some things, but hey that's How I feel and when I am in my CA I am a DD hunting FIEND!!!

THEN I do my job

I am not one to run from ANY FIGHT, but I WILL run from 2 or 3 DDs that are still alive 5 minutes in

 

 

1st. I didnt read anything in th OP about BBs arent protecting CAs.  He very simple asks why the hell are the scared to engage and run when its time to push.  If you play BBs then you must see this too, unless you dont see a problem with this type of strategy.

 

Also, "while the BBs try to protect the CVs"??? Please tell me that is a typo.  The greatest threat to CVs are DDs and planes, two enemies BBS are not great at handling.  Nothing says fail BB captain like him backed up to my Lexi.  So please understand that your HP and Armor are part of a succesful strategy.

 

BBs runing from the fight cause "Im scared the CA wont kill the DDs"

CAs runing from the fight cause "Im scared the BBs are cowards"

Leads to everyone cowering in a corner and the enemy pushing from all sides.  Sometimes the game winning strategy requires you to stay alive and keep your gun in the game, sometimes it requires you to stall an enemy advance and take as many down with you that you can.

 

[Wowzery]

Gotta get real here. BB's being afraid to take damage is ruining the game.

 

My highest tier is 5, so I don't know about higher levels, but I have no problem running in with cruisers in my battleship to take the damage and fire away, as long as the cruisers continue on with me.  I hate it when I do go in, taking on several cruisers and my allies turn tail and run leaving me all alone. This is when I usually die because I can't take out the torpedo carrying ships fast enough and I end up getting torped by 6-8 torps.

[Xenomancers]

 

My highest tier is 5, so I don't know about higher levels, but I have no problem running in with cruisers in my battleship to take the damage and fire away, as long as the cruisers continue on with me.  I hate it when I do go in, taking on several cruisers and my allies turn tail and run leaving me all alone. This is when I usually die because I can't take out the torpedo carrying ships fast enough and I end up getting torped by 6-8 torps.

Yeah - I can't explain why this happens but it does happen far too often (even in higher tiers) - you are on a nice push and several ships decide to turn around for no real reason and without even mentioning it. Then you are out in front and all alone - then usually sink. If only the support didn't fall off - you probably would have dominated the engagement.

 

 

[Admiral_Ballsey]

Gotta get real here. BB's being afraid to take damage is ruining the game.

 

BB's that are afraid of taking hits screw other BB's over too when they do that. I don't think you are talking about the majority though. I'd rather mix it up and brawl than sit on the edges anytime, When I see enemy ships cruising just outside of my range (which generally includes more cruisers than BB's I might add) I'll push for a fight if the odds are at least even.

[Admiral_Ballsey]

Yeah - I can't explain why this happens but it does happen far too often (even in higher tiers) - you are on a nice push and several ships decide to turn around for no real reason and without even mentioning it. Then you are out in front and all alone - then usually sink. If only the support didn't fall off - you probably would have dominated the engagement.

 

 

 

Exactly.

[ReddNekk]

I've seen BBs that hightail it to the wall and do some wall sliding. However, much more often than not, They're wading in there and slugging it out. BBs rock! (I'm a Cruiser fan myself)

[Zek_Men]

Everyone is searching for the right teamwork, that works for a team of mostly strangers.  There have been games where I have seen some really good teamwork.  It is a learning process for what works best for the players wanting to win.  Ocean map is one that really demands teamwork to win.  As the community gains experience some will learn and work together, others will only think about them selves.  But either way its still great fun and many ways just like the real thing.  So adjusting to the changing situations will be the winning tactic mostly likely...  So have fun, and let the cards fall where they may....

[Captain_Wizard]

Something I've read several times now is that cruisers should destroy the DDs.  I will grant you on the lower levels, I have great fun doing just that.  But the IJN ships at T6 (Myoko)+ - maybe even T5 don't have the reload, nor turret rotation to be very effective.  Our 8" guns are sure DD killers, but getting a hit is tough when a DD can outmaneuver you.  Usually it takes two of us to get a (experienced/skillful) DD.  The Myoko and above are really good at AA and long range support.  USA cruisers are far more effective at killing DDs.  So, do be aware of that.

 

You know, this "game" needs a far better communication method.  Frankly, in the real world, the admiral aboard a CV or BB would be giving the orders.  We are in desperate need of a leader in each and every battle to coordinate the effort.  I think the game would be far more interesting than the current hodge-podge of individuals - some of which are trying to cooperate and some of which are doing their own thing.

[Sothron]

I have seen cruisers not support BB but far more often I see BB hugging the zone wall and refusing to fight.