WG just buff the Russian DDs now they are awful and you know it.

[DEADTIME]

wow wow wow....I mean horribad. Not the low tiers mind you, I mean yes 3 Km torps are suicide but the low tier Russian stuff is YOLO type fun and at tier 4 the lazy slob gets 5km torps and 5 guns and makes a fun DD Hunter and a great harasser of bigger ships. Then you hit tier 5 and 6.......

 

First of all the premium is better than the fully upgraded non premium version of itself. Next you have glacially slow turret traverse, higher detection range, and the final awesome nail in the coffin 4km torps. Wait til tier 6 you say?....oh it's just bigger, easier to spot, fewer turrets so that when one gets knocked out your down to one turret, and yes those 4Km torps.

 

WG, you and I and any sane person who is working on the Russian DD death march knows they are bad, worse than bad. And we know that you will slowly leak buffs out for them in the comming patches (US DDs anyone?) so can we just get them fixed now?

 

First buff, give the tier 5 the same torps that it's premium version has, suck it up and take the [edited]that will be thrown at you by those who bought it. You didn't guarantee them in writing that it's torps wouldn't go on the regular version. Just take it like a man, fix the situation and say Dah, we made bad bad DD's we fix them now.

[FirstOfOne]

I thought the 5 was great. Super fast, 130mm guns, "cit"ing CAs on the reg.

 

Due to matchmaker i am having a rough time with the 6. 5 and below you can be a bully and that fades with tier 6.

[HMSPancake]

L2p, no easy grind for you

[Deathskyz]

But.. But... Russian Bias!!

Oh wait...

 

On the point..

Imagine the amount of rage and whining there would be if the devs buffed SN DDs.

Every day there will be threads like LOOOOK!! SOVIET BIAS!! UHHMAGERRD!! RUSSIAN GAME SO RUSSIAN BIAS!!! when all along its them who wanted their buffs so badly.

[DEADTIME]

L2p, no easy grind for you

 

You have played 1 Russian DD.....the premium one. Congrats on being the "learn to play poster boy".

[Naughtius_Maximus]

Wish I can comment but I've only just kitted out my Kagero and now need to work on Nagato + equipment....with no premium.

 

Most RU DDs have been horribad. I haven't seen a single one properly played one yet. Though to be fair I'm playing primarily 8 and 9. Decent enough to earn credits with Fubuki with no premium, though it's really slow.

[Xenomancers]

The t4 RU DD is probably the best t4 DD in the game. The t5 RU is most certainly the best t5 DD. I don't know about the higher teir ones as their torps are pretty dang terrible how effective they will be BUT I am certain they are going to be doing better than USN and IJN counterparts - except at maybe t9-10.

[ExESGO]

You are a gun boat.

[misanthrope0]

No some are bad, some are marginal and one is very good. They nerfed them to hard for the release given the ability to stealth fire during sea trials. They need modest buffs.

[_Sarcasticat_]

L2p, no easy grind for you

L3rn2P!3y, sk3b. 

[HMSPancake]

 

You have played 1 Russian DD.....the premium one. Congrats on being the "learn to play poster boy".

 

sadly you dont know how to play the russian DDs nor looking at my stats properly, if you did both things correctly, you wouldn't have started this thread nor made this comment.

(ive played the derzki as well you know)

[Striker_002]

 

sadly you dont know how to play the russian DDs nor looking at my stats properly, if you did both things correctly, you wouldn't have started this thread nor made this comment.

(ive played the derzki as well you know)

 

Please, continue to tell us how your 6 games in a tier 3 invalidates the OPs opinion of the (non premium) Russian DDs.

[Cobraclutch]

I play the Tier 6 Ognevoi pretty well. Been avg 40+k dmg a game, 60% win rate.

 

Who the hell needs invis fire any way. The guns are good enough and the speed is high enough that you can fire between 9-10km fully lit and dodge most incoming salvo's with ease.

 

Definitely enjoying them up to now,  I heard the Kiev is a beast... Tier 8-9-19 seem to be underperforming but il reserve judgement until i get there.

 

Only thing that sucks about the Ognevoi is that when you loose a mount its like 50% of your fire power.. Things gotta have some weaknesses! 

[RogueFlameHaze]

Sounds basically how WG described the low tier russian dds. I mean even the prem has slow turning rates on the turrets. The high tiers are great ships, the low tiers are bad. How is this different from other lines, That have a similar setup?

[HMSPancake]

 

Please, continue to tell us how your 6 games in a tier 3 invalidates the OPs opinion of the (non premium) Russian DDs.

 

 

i know it is a difficult grind, but most of you expected easy invisi firing gamplay which isnt the case. and now you people start whining on the forums about it.

either adjust to its gameplay or dont grind the line, but stop complaining on the forums.

[Cobraclutch]

BTW OP , WG for WOWS does not prescribe to the idea that a premium "Can't be better" than its regular tree counterpart. 

 

Premiums can very much be better then the same tier vehicle. This is not WOT.

[sushimaster]

 

Please, continue to tell us how your 6 games in a tier 3 invalidates the OPs opinion of the (non premium) Russian DDs.

He's been in the Destroyer section, telling peoples l2p the RU DD all the time. Basically saying the same thing like " thought it would be an easy win ship? I hope you all suffer, hahaha". Dunno but someone who comment like that can't be taken serously, don't bother wasting time with that troll.

[HMSPancake]

He's been in the Destroyer section, telling peoples l2p the RU DD all the time. Basically saying the same thing like " thought it would be an easy win ship? I hope you all suffer, hahaha". Dunno but someone who comment like that can't be taken serously, don't bother wasting time with that troll.

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[Taichunger]

I gave up at T3. Waiting to see what happens to them before I go back. They require a totally different playstyle, and I had trouble adjusting. I just play my umikaze for the joy of torping now. Ironically, I get more hits in that than in any of the Russian DDs I played. 

 

Taichunger

[Swine_007]

Ok I've only played USN/IJN to T8 and the Russians to T5 but a couple things I would note.  I was really bad ( now only mildly bad ) at playing destroyers before so playing the US and IJN helped me when it came to deciding how to play the Russian ones.  

 

T2 Storozhevoi - No real opinion seemed ok for it's tier , not lame nor OP, and it's a T2 so really how many battles are you playing in it to get to the next tier. 

 

T3 Derzki - This boat is silly but can be a good laugh.  Yes it has really short ranged tops but they are easily exploitable on many T3 maps and it get TEN tubes.  With a remarkable reload time.  Great ambush boat.  Sure it has weaknesses but it also has strengths too, does not need buffing.  

 

T4 Izyaslav - Acceptable torp range and GREAT guns , very much enjoyed this and really don't think it needs buffing. 

 

T5 Gnevny - Ok this is where I have played to and I do not like this boat.  At all.  I think WG fell into a trap of their own making here.  That being the premium ships are supposed to be based on the regular line ships but tweaked in ways to make them different both better and worse than the fully upgraded line ships.  With the Gremyashcy WG had already made a very good fun balanced ( leaning slightly towards OP but mostly balanced ) ship, so what can they do with the fully upgraded  line ship to make it better than the premium ?  Their decision was just to make it worse ( was this to avoid more claims of RU types always being made to be OP ? ). 

Gnevny vs Gremy

Gnevny has better 800 more HP and is half a knot faster.

Gnevny has worse AA , Torps with half the range, MUCH worse turn radius and rudder shift, glacial turrets ( I don't own Gremy so I'm reading stats. Is the rotation same for both ? ) 

 

The painfully short range torps are what WG has decided will be the thing for the RU destroyers so it seems unlikely to change.  I don't like my Gnevny but how do you make it better than the already very good premium Gremyashchy without it being very OP comapred to Nicholas and Minekaze?  

 

Yes I know it doesn't cover the later RU destroyers but I don'r think the early ones are bad and need buffing , but the T5 Gnevny I am finidng to be a chore.  

 

( Ninja edit - has WG actually said that specifically that the Premiums wont be like treated strength wise compared to upgraded line types in the same way as in WoT ? that's the first time I've read that )

yes yes i know TLDR

[DEADTIME]

^

 

He's talking about you sporto, I've never told anyone learn to play. I think a lot of players have valid gripes or just need help with how the ship works. You need to work at seeing another persons point of view but as you had nothing constructive or entertaining to add to the post you chose to be obnoxious. At a minimum you could have just joined in and had some fun but your elitist attitude kinda ruins that. Try comming down off your ivory tower, kindness and a funny anecdote go a long way, then if you have a suggestion add it.

[DEADTIME]

I play the Tier 6 Ognevoi pretty well. Been avg 40+k dmg a game, 60% win rate.

 

Who the hell needs invis fire any way. The guns are good enough and the speed is high enough that you can fire between 9-10km fully lit and dodge most incoming salvo's with ease.

 

Definitely enjoying them up to now,  I heard the Kiev is a beast... Tier 8-9-19 seem to be underperforming but il reserve judgement until i get there.

 

Only thing that sucks about the Ognevoi is that when you loose a mount its like 50% of your fire power.. Things gotta have some weaknesses! 

 

how ya doing it? I'm trying to use the Ogn as a gun boat as well but the turret rotation is to slow and it only has 2 turrets. I've given up using the Russian DDs like any other DD I'm using them as a hybrid light cruiser I guess. WG just seems to have dropped the ball, if it's a gunship then give it more guns with a faster rotation. I could see the horrible torps if it had good guns but it's guns are lacking so for me it's not even doing what it's suppose to be good at. How's tier 7? I'm hoping better.

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[Xenomancers]

Ok I've only played USN/IJN to T8 and the Russians to T5 but a couple things I would note.  I was really bad ( now only mildly bad ) at playing destroyers before so playing the US and IJN helped me when it came to deciding how to play the Russian ones.  

 

T2 Storozhevoi - No real opinion seemed ok for it's tier , not lame nor OP, and it's a T2 so really how many battles are you playing in it to get to the next tier. 

 

T3 Derzki - This boat is silly but can be a good laugh.  Yes it has really short ranged tops but they are easily exploitable on many T3 maps and it get TEN tubes.  With a remarkable reload time.  Great ambush boat.  Sure it has weaknesses but it also has strengths too, does not need buffing.  

 

T4 Izyaslav - Acceptable torp range and GREAT guns , very much enjoyed this and really don't think it needs buffing. 

 

T5 Gnevny - Ok this is where I have played to and I do not like this boat.  At all.  I think WG fell into a trap of their own making here.  That being the premium ships are supposed to be based on the regular line ships but tweaked in ways to make them different both better and worse than the fully upgraded line ships.  With the Gremyashcy WG had already made a very good fun balanced ( leaning slightly towards OP but mostly balanced ) ship, so what can they do with the fully upgraded  line ship to make it better than the premium ?  Their decision was just to make it worse ( was this to avoid more claims of RU types always being made to be OP ? ). 

Gnevny vs Gremy

Gnevny has better 800 more HP and is half a knot faster.

Gnevny has worse AA , Torps with half the range, MUCH worse turn radius and rudder shift, glacial turrets ( I don't own Gremy so I'm reading stats. Is the rotation same for both ? ) 

 

The painfully short range torps are what WG has decided will be the thing for the RU destroyers so it seems unlikely to change.  I don't like my Gnevny but how do you make it better than the already very good premium Gremyashchy without it being very OP comapred to Nicholas and Minekaze?  

 

Yes I know it doesn't cover the later RU destroyers but I don'r think the early ones are bad and need buffing , but the T5 Gnevny I am finidng to be a chore.  

 

( Ninja edit - has WG actually said that specifically that the Premiums wont be like treated strength wise compared to upgraded line types in the same way as in WoT ? that's the first time I've read that )

yes yes i know TLDR

Never played the RU premium DD - never available to me. I don't think it's guns shoot quite as fast as the Gnevny but it has much better torps. I am destroying people with this DD though.

[Raptor_alcor]

Never played the RU premium DD - never available to me. I don't think it's guns shoot quite as fast as the Gnevny but it has much better torps. I am destroying people with this DD though.

 

Ironically the grem IS a gnevy, just better in the torp department.