I just finished my 15 battle in the Essex

[Indiox]

I now understand all the complains. This is not fun at all, sink the enemy CV then proceed to sink the entire enemy team without even upgraded planes yet. I think balance should be more like the Lexington, Essex has too much power and in all those battle i haven't even seen a single Taiho that also seems like a problem :S. Im unsure what needs to change but i think maybe switching up the manual drop arming distance could help or dropping torp damage. Anyway im on the needs change team now XD.

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

Murica CVs are really scary at high tiers. I've only gotten back to tier 5 since the wipe because I don't have much time anymore, but when I see a Ranger I have to pray that he doesn't care about me. IJN CVs are kinda meh because you can't defend your planes as well even if you have more squadrons with less planes they get rekt easier and there are less torps in the water. 

 

Also you must remember that the Essex was a tier 10 during the beta, let that say something.

 

Really for me the only thing that IJN CVs have over USN CVs is that IJN CVs look better :3 (Except the Ryujo, eww)

[Indiox]

Murica CVs are really scary at high tiers. I've only gotten back to tier 5 since the wipe because I don't have much time anymore, but when I see a Ranger I have to pray that he doesn't care about me. IJN CVs are kinda meh because you can't defend your planes as well even if you have more squadrons with less planes they get rekt easier and there are less torps in the water. 

 

Also you must remember that the Essex was a tier 10 during the beta, let that say something.

 

Really for me the only thing that IJN CVs have over USN CVs is that IJN CVs look better :3 (Except the Ryujo, eww)

Scary its not enough to describe it. Like its not healthy that the entire match revolves about killing the enemy CV. Just look at how my winrate almost perfectly matches my survival rate :S.

[Dr_Venture]

It's the planes, they are too powerful compared to the AA of the ships that they fight. 

[Nuk_]

American CVs at high tiers are terrifying. I haven't seen a Taiho or Harkuyu in about a month, yet plenty of Midways and Essexs.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Murica CVs are really scary at high tiers. I've only gotten back to tier 5 since the wipe because I don't have much time anymore, but when I see a Ranger I have to pray that he doesn't care about me. IJN CVs are kinda meh because you can't defend your planes as well even if you have more squadrons with less planes they get rekt easier and there are less torps in the water. 

 

Also you must remember that the Essex was a tier 10 during the beta, let that say something.

 

Really for me the only thing that IJN CVs have over USN CVs is that IJN CVs look better :3 (Except the Ryujo, eww)

 

LOL, you are so far off on the assessment of CVs.  You fear the Ranger?  That's one of the worst ones out there in either IJN and USN CV lines.  USN CVs only shine at Tier IX and X.  VIII is passable.  IV / Langley is good for her tier.  But V-VII are horrible play experiences.

 

If you think IJN CVs are "meh" then you really don't know what you're talking about.  Their specs open up huge starting at Tier VI and from there, the floodgates are open with some truly capable loadouts they can use.

[Kilroyiv]

Scary its not enough to describe it. Like its not healthy that the entire match revolves about killing the enemy CV. Just look at how my winrate almost perfectly matches my survival rate :S.

 

I don't know what needs to be done, but T9-10 CV's (mainly the midway/Essex) are leagues ahead of everything else at T10 in terms of capabilities. Sure they're fragile in gunfights when they're spotted, but being able to nuke any ship on the map with no risk to the mother ship and no actual counter besides hoping your guns do enough damage just tilts the meta to much. I don't want them nerfed like arty is in WoT, but its very clear there is an issue here.

[Indiox]

It's the planes, they are too powerful compared to the AA of the ships that they fight. 

 

Though i agree with this i think lowering plane HP so its like in lower tiers its not an enjoyable experience either. AA is automatic, if they increased the arming distance or maybe do something else to up the skill on the manual drop that's what i want for carriers. Also increasing arming distance negates my chance at 1 shorting DDs with 1 us squad which is only possible because of the arming distance so I'm not sure if that is the answer either but I think game-play with the Essex just dose not encourage me to continue on. I invested a lot in upgrading it and buying everything just for those crappy matches :S. I have notice that more players in a match diminish a lot of this problems from being so visible but regardless of that a change is needed.

[Cruiser_Sendai]

Edit: Messed up my data, see my post below.

 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

 

I don't know what needs to be done, but T9-10 CV's (mainly the midway/Essex) are leagues ahead of everything else at T10 in terms of capabilities. Sure they're fragile in gunfights when they're spotted, but being able to nuke any ship on the map with no risk to the mother ship and no actual counter besides hoping your guns do enough damage just tilts the meta to much. I don't want them nerfed like arty is in WoT, but its very clear there is an issue here.

 

So what's it supposed to be?

 

Unlike the other gunfighting ships, Carriers:

- Cannot spam their attacks

- Their aircraft travel the map and have rearming timers.  The longer the distance to travel, the longer the time it takes going back and forth, the longer the rearming that has to be done

- Have a finite supply of aircraft whereas other ships have unlimited shells and torpedoes

- Their attacks can be spoofed by the magical Defensive Barrage or ships in proximity to each other lending their AA

 

The damage has to be done in very few attempts because the amount of attacks they can do is limited in a given timespan.  It's one thing if CVs and their aircraft can spam lots of attacks in a short span, then their damage would go down for "balance."  But they cannot spam attacks.

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

Though i agree with this i think lowering plane HP so its like in lower tiers its not an enjoyable experience either. AA is automatic, if they increased the arming distance or maybe do something else to up the skill on the manual drop that's what i want for carriers. Also increasing arming distance negates my chance at 1 shorting DDs with 1 us squad which is only possible because of the arming distance so I'm not sure if that is the answer either but I think game-play with the Essex just dose not encourage me to continue on. I invested a lot in upgrading it and buying everything just for those crappy matches :S. I have notice that more players in a match diminish a lot of this problems from being so visible but regardless of that a change is needed.

 

 

Midway has been confirmed to be getting a nerf, but I don't see how Essex is better than Taiho.

 

Also, keep in mind that there are rumors that IJN is getting their tight TB spread back. If that happens...you'll see Taiho and Haku jump to 90k and 100k, respectively, I'm sure.

[Anumati]

 

So what's it supposed to be?

 

Unlike the other gunfighting ships, Carriers:

- Cannot spam their attacks

- Their aircraft travel the map and have rearming timers.  The longer the distance to travel, the longer the time it takes going back and forth, the longer the rearming that has to be done

- Have a finite supply of aircraft whereas other ships have unlimited shells and torpedoes

- Their attacks can be spoofed by the magical Defensive Barrage or ships in proximity to each other lending their AA

 

The damage has to be done in very few attempts because the amount of attacks they can do is limited in a given timespan.  It's one thing if CVs and their aircraft can spam lots of attacks in a short span, then their damage would go down for "balance."  But they cannot spam attacks.

 

Shush, you are making sense.

How dare you make sense.

 

Though I would be seriously okay with a damage nerf across the board if planes actually got their IRL speeds.

Ya know, moving 4-5 times faster than they are now.

 

[Marcanbus_NA]

I now understand all the complains. This is not fun at all, sink the enemy CV then proceed to sink the entire enemy team without even upgraded planes yet. I think balance should be more like the Lexington, Essex has too much power and in all those battle i haven't even seen a single Taiho that also seems like a problem :S. Im unsure what needs to change but i think maybe switching up the manual drop arming distance could help or dropping torp damage. Anyway im on the needs change team now XD.

 

What is this? A CV player who realises high tier CVs are OP? Is this a dream?

[Indiox]

 

 

Midway has been confirmed to be getting a nerf, but I don't see how Essex is better than Taiho.

 

Also, keep in mind that there are rumors that IJN is getting their tight TB spread back. If that happens...you'll see Taiho and Haku jump to 90k and 100k, respectively, I'm sure.

 

Maybe i just have been unlucky but 15 battles and no Taiho kinda pointed me to none playing it. 

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

Maybe i just have been unlucky but 15 battles and no Taiho kinda pointed me to none playing it. 

 

You can see from the statistic that there are 320 Essex players and 319 Taiho players. You're just unlucky.

[Ms_Makawee]

 

You can see from the statistic that there are 320 Essex players and 319 Taiho players. You're just unlucky.

 

What happened to the 320th Taiho player?

[Cruiser_Sendai]

 

What happened to the 320th Taiho player?

 

Locked safely away in a dungeon. 

[Indiox]

I guess i will focus on my other lines for now. Also fyi i only lost money in 3 of those 15 matches without premium account which is kinda crazy too XD.

[Kermut]

I'll admit to my high tier CVs over performing if WG agrees to buff the atrocious lower tier US CVs.

 

EDIT: Also it should be pointed out that only the good US CV drivers are over powered, the bad ones suck even worse than in the lower tiers.

 

EDIT 2: Also, you really need to take into account the lower cruiser population at Tiers 9/10. And I'll tell you one thing, it's not over powered CVs that are causing people to not run cruisers, it's the Yamato/Iowa etc. In matches where a good percentage of the enemy team is running CA's you will have difficulty getting those good high scores.

[Anumati]

I'll admit to my high tier CVs over performing if WG agrees to buff the atrocious lower tier US CVs.

 

EDIT: Also it should be pointed out that only the good US CV drivers are over powered, the bad ones suck even worse than in the lower tiers.

 

EDIT 2: Also, you really need to take into account the lower cruiser population at Tiers 9/10. And I'll tell you one thing, it's not over powered CVs that are causing people to not run cruisers, it's the Yamato/Iowa etc. In matches where a good percentage of the enemy team is running CA's you will have difficulty getting those good high scores.

 

What are you talking about, it can't possibly be the reason that BBs are overpowered compared to cruisers.

BBs are perfectly balanced ./s

 

Firehose don't mean crap when you get 1 shotted from 15km even while angling.

[Indiox]

I'll admit to my high tier CVs over performing if WG agrees to buff the atrocious lower tier US CVs.

 

EDIT: Also it should be pointed out that only the good US CV drivers are over powered, the bad ones suck even worse than in the lower tiers.

 

EDIT 2: Also, you really need to take into account the lower cruiser population at Tiers 9/10. And I'll tell you one thing, it's not over powered CVs that are causing people to not run cruisers, it's the Yamato/Iowa etc. In matches where a good percentage of the enemy team is running CA's you will have difficulty getting those good high scores.

Considering i won a match were a certain player admitted to timing out matchmaking in his Midway to get an easyer match and still loose cause bads are bads, i will concede this point. But if you look at my previous us cvs im above avarage on all of them but not sinking an entire team above average XD. In that midway game i sunk almost everyone but the Midway.

[Kermut]

I still strongly feel that the following issues need to be addressed before we talk about nerfing CVs

 

1) High tier BB v CA balance

2) High tier credit earnings/costs in general

3) High tier DD balance

 

IMO the meta in current high tier games is just a complete mess. Right now most everyone runs BBs or CVs aside from a few brave souls in their CA's/DDs, due to the ability of BBs to just murder the CAs. Also most BBs don't want to push because repair bills are so high. As such we end up with a stagnant game where nobody really moves and the CVs use their alpha strikes to obliterate first each other and then 1 ship at a time (again, this is assuming the CV driver is good and not using the fighter heavy loadout, which a surprising number of people still do for whatever reason).

 

So yea, I would be OK with changes to the US CVs after the issue of class representation is addressed, and I think that really needs to start with the BB/CA balance. As far as CV changes go, I would probably most support a reduction in torpedo damage combined with faster aircraft servicing time. This would get rid of CV v CV alpha contests while still allowing good CV drivers to maintain good damage.

[Marcanbus_NA]

I'll admit to my high tier CVs over performing if WG agrees to buff the atrocious lower tier US CVs.

 

EDIT: Also it should be pointed out that only the good US CV drivers are over powered, the bad ones suck even worse than in the lower tiers.

 

EDIT 2: Also, you really need to take into account the lower cruiser population at Tiers 9/10. And I'll tell you one thing, it's not over powered CVs that are causing people to not run cruisers, it's the Yamato/Iowa etc. In matches where a good percentage of the enemy team is running CA's you will have difficulty getting those good high scores.

Midway doesn't care about AA

[Anumati]

I still strongly feel that the following issues need to be addressed before we talk about nerfing CVs

 

1) High tier BB v CA balance

2) High tier credit earnings/costs in general

3) High tier DD balance

 

IMO the meta in current high tier games is just a complete mess. Right now most everyone runs BBs or CVs aside from a few brave souls in their CA's/DDs, due to the ability of BBs to just murder the CAs. Also most BBs don't want to push because repair bills are so high. As such we end up with a stagnant game where nobody really moves and the CVs use their alpha strikes to obliterate first each other and then 1 ship at a time (again, this is assuming the CV driver is good and not using the fighter heavy loadout, which a surprising number of people still do for whatever reason).

 

So yea, I would be OK with changes to the US CVs after the issue of class representation is addressed, and I think that really needs to start with the BB/CA balance. As far as CV changes go, I would probably most support a reduction in torpedo damage combined with faster aircraft servicing time. This would get rid of CV v CV alpha contests while still allowing good CV drivers to maintain good damage.

 

Agreed. Slightly buff aircraft speeds as well.

I very rarely see any cruisers that counter my Midways.

Midway doesn't care about AA

 

 

It does. Actually play them before you speak as if you play them.

[Marcanbus_NA]

 

Agreed. Slightly buff aircraft speeds as well.

I very rarely see any cruisers that counter my Midways.

 

 

It does. Actually play them before you speak as if you play them.

Are you still playing your f**king Midway? Stopped playing that crap tier because of OP Midways and people like you claiming its balanced