Citideling the Tirpitz

[Sgt_Leviticus]

Is it just me or is Citideling the Tirpitz REALLY hard to do. I've fired flat into its broadside with both the Iowa and the Montana and never a single Citadel hit. Now it says its using the Mk.8 "Super Heavy" on the Iowa's and Montana's 16" Batteries. Here is a bit of info on the Mark 8 Shell.

 

The Mark 7 gun was originally intended to fire the relatively light 2,240-pound (1,020 kg) Mark 5 armor-piercing shell. However, the shell-handling system for these guns was redesigned to use the "super-heavy" 2,700-pound (1,200 kg) APC (Armor Piercing, Capped) Mark 8 shell before any of the Iowa-class battleship were laid down. The large caliber guns were designed to fire two different 16 in (406 mm) shells: an armor piercing round for anti-ship and anti-structure work, and a high explosive round designed for use against unarmored targets and shore bombardment.

The Mark 7 guns and the 2,700-pound projectiles were 25 percent lighter than the 46 cm/45 Type 94 naval guns of the Japanese Yamato-class battleships, but had nearly the same armor penetration ability.^[5]

The North Carolina and South Dakota classes could also fire the 2,700-pound Mark 8 shell, although with a shorter range, using the 16"/45 caliber Mark 6 gun. The Mark 6 gun was lighter than the Mark 7, which helped both battleship classes to conform to the limits of the Washington Naval Treaty.^[6]

The Mark 8 shells gave the North Carolina, South Dakota, and Iowa classes the second heaviest broadside of all battleship classes, even though the North Carolina and South Dakota ships were treaty battleships. Only the Yamato-class super-battleships could throw more weight.

 

 

So i geuss what im asking is what the deal is here? I seem to be more reliable at Citideling the Yamato then the Tirpitz.

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[Hurlbut]

When you get to within 10km, try to aim your your guns at a point just below the waterline. Bismarck/Tirpitz's armor scheme is world war 1 based, so the citadel sit lower than the ones in the later battleships of other navies. And try to make sure Tirptiz isn't angled toward you. Otherwise, just go for LONG range shooting, because the citadel of Bismarck isn't designed to resist plunging gunfire.

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

 

this.

but be aware.   stuff on deck like the deck house, guns, and such can further alter the shell's path. making it that much harder to pen.

 

 

and if the Tirpitz is angled....yeah beware.

 

 

[Macabe]

Just shoot midship of the Torpitz. It has the best citadel protection of tier 8/9 so hitting mid ship will maximize damage output.

 

 

 

[Xenomancers]

I like aiming for the bow or stern on the tirpiz - you get good damage numbers there.

[Compassghost]

The Tirpitz is the new Cleveland in terms of citadeling

[Zampy]

The Tirpitz is the new Cleveland in terms of citadeling

 

Tell that to my Victimland last night  

[G0lfSierra1]

I citadel them all the time just aft of the smoke stack. Just don't get too close and hammer away at the fire room.

[CodyMenz]

This should help, full break down of the Tirpitz armor in WoWs.

 

http://menzgaming.com/worldofwarships/armor-guide-tirpitz/

[dseehafer]

This should help, full break down of the Tirpitz armor in WoWs.

 

http://menzgaming.com/worldofwarships/armor-guide-tirpitz/

 

This is very good, but the turtle deck isnt 120mm thick its 110mm thick.. still very good.

[ryuukei8569]

Even my yamato at very close ranges seems incapable of citadeling this [edited], and yamato has by far the best close range armor pen in the game. the 460's can citadel it pretty good from long range, but not close range. If the tirpitz is this resilient, i can only imagine how tough H-39 and H-41 will be. In longer range fire the 16"50's armor pen is closer to the 460 mm, but at close range, the 460 mm has way more penetrative power, and if it cant beat that turtleback armor at close range, nothing can.

[KamiSamurai]

I have hit the citadel on a Tirpitz from farther than 15km only a few times. The key to hitting the Tirpitz citadel is making it do a sweeping big turn that exposes its hull. If you hit the Tirpitz in the turn broadside you will do massive damage.

[draftstone]

I citadeled some Tirpitz with my New Mexico, everytime between 12 and 15 kms.

 

Closer I would get good damage but never a citadel, but at range between those listed, I was aiming at the deck line so plunging fire would fall on deck, can get citadels even with the New Mexico.

[BlazerSparta]

I have hit the citadel on a Tirpitz from farther than 15km only a few times. The key to hitting the Tirpitz citadel is making it do a sweeping big turn that exposes its hull. If you hit the Tirpitz in the turn broadside you will do massive damage.

 

i.e. you won't citadel any Tirpitz who isn't a complete idiot.

[teamoldmill]

kept thinking stars of david were being shot at it......

 

Don't have to citadel them, and that is the beauty of firing on them.

[Lord_Arcadian]

 

Tell that to my Victimland last night  

 

LOL

[Kanzler_Bismarck]

Even my yamato at very close ranges seems incapable of citadeling this [edited], and yamato has by far the best close range armor pen in the game. the 460's can citadel it pretty good from long range, but not close range. If the tirpitz is this resilient, i can only imagine how tough H-39 and H-41 will be. In longer range fire the 16"50's armor pen is closer to the 460 mm, but at close range, the 460 mm has way more penetrative power, and if it cant beat that turtleback armor at close range, nothing can.

Yeah, I feel oretty confident pulling inside <15k vs. even Yamato. Although I can not cit her either, and will likley not survive if she is over 75%,

[Xenomancers]

Tirpitz was stealth nerfed since the first few days of playing her. She is a lot more brittle now. A freaking tirpitz 2x citadeled me at a 45 degree angle to my side from 15 km....this is much difference compared to the first night I played against her and she was bouncing my NC 16 inchers at 12 km while completely flat. Stealth nerfs are the best! Still a great ship - just not OP anymore.

[crazyjoe1337]

Tirpitz was stealth nerfed since the first few days of playing her. She is a lot more brittle now. A freaking tirpitz 2x citadeled me at a 45 degree angle to my side from 15 km....this is much difference compared to the first night I played against her and she was bouncing my NC 16 inchers at 12 km while completely flat. Stealth nerfs are the best! Still a great ship - just not OP anymore.

 

I haven't noticed a change in durability. I very seriously doubt there's been one. The citadels I've scored on Tirpitz tend to be near the rear half of the ship and against an unangled target. Even without citadel penetrations, against a broadside Tirpitz, it's not difficult to score 8k-16k damage salvos with non-critical penetrating hits. The issue is a lot of players are more focused on keeping all their guns on target than they are with angling themselves to a threat. 

[Xenomancers]

 

I haven't noticed a change in durability. I very seriously doubt there's been one. The citadels I've scored on Tirpitz tend to be near the rear half of the ship and against an unangled target. Even without citadel penetrations, against a broadside Tirpitz, it's not difficult to score 8k-16k damage salvos with non-critical penetrating hits. The issue is a lot of players are more focused on keeping all their guns on target than they are with angling themselves to a threat. 

I know I was citadeled though at 15 km and I was at a 45 degree angel to the taget - maybe he somehow snuck a shot in through my deck - but I figured it would be impossible for a tirpitz to do that due to his trajectory. You are correct you get good numbers anywhere you shoot on the tirpitz side once you get into effective range.

[Thoddy]

This is very good, but the turtle deck isnt 120mm thick its 110mm thick.. still very good.

 

the thickness of the sloped part of the armored deck of  Bismarck and Tirpitz were

-at magazines 120 mm

-at machinery 110 mm

 

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the left trajectory(if its a battleship shell) with a AOF of about forty degrees (refers to ranges in the order of 30 km) would likely defeat horizontal mounted single plates in the order of at least  180 - 200 mm (practically all BBs). So this sample is insufficent for proving a inferority of the german horizontal protection.

[10T0nHammer]

Guys instead of smashing your head against a wall, adapt to the new ship. The tirpitz magazines seem very weak. Most of my citadel some from penetration to the 2 forward magazines

[Crustay]

I've done it before. Not sure how, because I was within 15km with my Yamato. I've also done it with my own Tirpitz within 10. So it's not impossible. Still, not sure where to aim, to me it just seems random. But you can get non citadel pens for huge damage on the Tirpitz. 

[atPrick__]

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