PSA for Tirpitz Captains

[JojoTheMongol]

STOP SHOOTING HE!

 

The performance and damage of the HE rounds are really quite awful and should not be used in any circumstance. Even against DDs and CVs.

 

Yesterday I ran into 2 Derpitz Captains firing HE at BBs. One was on my team who wasn't doing diddly. The very next match, I ran into an enemy Tirpitz at under 10 klicks. We began exchanging salvos at very close range. I was quickly set on fire and realized this moron was shooting HE at me. Easy Kill. Went full broadside and began to light up his hull with AP. He tried to get closer to torp me, but I kept the distance above 6 kms and he was unsuccessful. I sent him to the bottom in less than 2 minutes.

[MexicanPanda]

Actually, it's not a terrible idea for the Tirpitz to fire HE at higher tier BBs. Same tier and below, yeah, AP all the way, but it's questionable against higher tiers.

 

I do see too many BB captains firing HE though, in all tiers. Then again, it can work in a way. Had a Fuso focus down my New York with just HE once.

[_Sarcasticat_]

I thought Derpitz was immune to close range AP. That's probably why he was firing HE. 

[TASK_FORCE_16]

Actually, it's not a terrible idea for the Tirpitz to fire HE at higher tier BBs. Same tier and below, yeah, AP all the way, but it's questionable against higher tiers.

 

I do see too many BB captains firing HE though, in all tiers. Then again, it can work in a way. Had a Fuso focus down my New York with just HE once.

 

agreed.. i use HE at very long range if its a higher tier BB and against all DD

[JojoTheMongol]

My Tirpitz AP had no trouble sinking him at less than 7 KMs. You won't get many Citadels (or any), but I was getting 10-15k worth of damage a salvo.

 

I was also doing consistent 3-4k damage a hit with AP on an Iowa. This was at +15 KM range. I wouldn't have been doing that much damage with HE.

[DoomStomper]

I thought Derpitz was immune to close range AP. That's probably why he was firing HE. 

 

Not immune, just hard to citadel.  Very unlikely to bounce or over-pen, so standard AP penetrations will still do more than HE.

[TASK_FORCE_16]

STOP SHOOTING HE!

 

The performance and damage of the HE rounds are really quite awful and should not be used in any circumstance. Even against DDs and CVs.

 

Yesterday I ran into 2 Derpitz Captains firing HE at BBs. One was on my team who wasn't doing diddly. The very next match, I ran into an enemy Tirpitz at under 10 klicks. We began exchanging salvos at very close range. I was quickly set on fire and realized this moron was shooting HE at me. Easy Kill. Went full broadside and began to light up his hull with AP. He tried to get closer to torp me, but I kept the distance above 6 kms and he was unsuccessful. I sent him to the bottom in less than 2 minutes.

 

why would you not use HE against DD and CV??? AP will overpen DD in most cases doing little to no damage and with HE you can knock out modules.... I use ONLY HE against CV to keep the deck on fire so they cant launch or land planes while im engaging them...

[JojoTheMongol]

Unless its just you and the DD, then go for it. But really AP will do just fine. For some reason the HE damage for the Tirpitz's guns are awful. They barely do more damage than the South Carolina's 12"s.

 

You'll kill the CV much, much quicker with AP than HE. A dead CV can't bomb or torp you.

[MexicanPanda]

 

why would you not use HE against DD and CV??? AP will overpen DD in most cases doing little to no damage and with HE you can knock out modules.... I use ONLY HE against CV to keep the deck on fire so they cant launch or land planes while im engaging them...

 

Actually, BB AP vs DDs does just as much damage or slightly more than HE against them. The only advantage of firing HE is the knocked out modules. So firing only AP from BBs is a viable tactic.

[G0lfSierra1]

I love when they fire only HE and sail in straight lines at a constant speed.

 

[Captain_of_the_Bismarck]

I fire AP at everything except DDs and lightly armoured cruisers in BBs. I have yet to be citideled at sub 12 Km with Tirpitz though... So HE with Bbs on Tirpitz will be a good last resort if u arent Yamato with 18 inchers

[Bravo_Zulu_000]

The majority of Tirpitz owners using HE are players who don't even have ships anywhere near tier 8 and showing their ignorance of how to play the game as they think they paid to win with an OP ship and have no idea as to the mechanics of the game. Unfortunately, I suspect most of them also don't read the forums so you will continue to see it until they progress.

[StingRayOne]

HMMM, AP shells do not start fires, if you start fires and the ship uses it ability and then you start another fire, they burn.

I get your point but if you cannot take enough with your low tier AP, then burn the enemy.

[BladedPheonix]

Actually, it's not a terrible idea for the Tirpitz to fire HE at higher tier BBs. Same tier and below, yeah, AP all the way, but it's questionable against higher tiers.

 

I do see too many BB captains firing HE though, in all tiers. Then again, it can work in a way. Had a Fuso focus down my New York with just HE once.

 

yeah, specially since most BBs upon being lite up burn like they've been soaked in gasoline. Though I'd probably only do it twice, 1 for the first fire another for the 2nd fire, then swap to AP

[Lert]

Even against DDs and CVs.

 

That is absolute bullcrap advice. Tirp HE will still do more damage to destroyers than AP will, since destroyers have no citadel your AP shell will at most do 1/3 of its total damage to a tin can, more likely 1/10. As for CV's, Tirp HE will still light them on fire more than Tirp AP will, and a burning carrier can't launch planes.

[Xenomancers]

I shoot at AP vs everything in Tirp. AP actually does more damage vs everything - it just doesn't start fires. An 8 hit salvo on a DD will do about 75% of it's life.

[Lert]

An 8 hit salvo on a DD will do about 75% of it's life.

 

And in my experience an 8 hit HE salvo on a DD will kill him so hard his descendants are crippled, leaving me to find another target and not eating his torpedoes.

[Mayhem1]

I use HE in mine. I guarantee you wont take me in 2 min, unless your an T9 or T10 USA BB. HE works quite well for me. I usually keep first salvo loaded up for a DD that turns up first. But, if I set you on fire with a good salvo hit, then I switch AP until fire is out, then pop you with another salvo of HE. So far my win rate in the Tirpitz is great. So why mess with a good thing.

[EvilBrokenCaptain]

I feed on newb Derpitz captains nom nom nom

 

[kjarri]

Another PSA: your torps only have a range of 6km, so stop spamming them when the enemy is 10km+ away from you. Seen this way to many times.

[TASK_FORCE_16]

 

That is absolute bullcrap advice. Tirp HE will still do more damage to destroyers than AP will, since destroyers have no citadel your AP shell will at most do 1/3 of its total damage to a tin can, more likely 1/10. As for CV's, Tirp HE will still light them on fire more than Tirp AP will, and a burning carrier can't launch planes.

 

agreed

[JojoTheMongol]

 

That is absolute bullcrap advice. Tirp HE will still do more damage to destroyers than AP will, since destroyers have no citadel your AP shell will at most do 1/3 of its total damage to a tin can, more likely 1/10. As for CV's, Tirp HE will still light them on fire more than Tirp AP will, and a burning carrier can't launch planes.

 

 

I usually don't find it worth it most of the time to try and load HE to kill off a DD. A lot of the time, its oh crap there is a DD. Kill it! Kill it! Kill it! I only load HE if I know I'm not going to run into anything else for a while. The problem I see is a lot of Tirpitz players, loading HE and never using AP at all.