Should I even bother with US CV?

[Madman7]

"Know" I understand the differences between US and IJN in regards to squadron size, amount of squadrons, reload times (IJN faster), etc..

 

I started the US CV line prior to this knowledge. I can buy the Bogue right now, but am holding off because I hear nothing but bad things about US CV... (Unless tier X).

 

I do not plan to go to tier X in CV>  My goal is tier 6-8.

 

One other concern I have is: I hear IJN CV are more offensive and US are more defensive. If US are just flying fighters to clear the skies, how are they getting any XP? You need damage to get xp..  so I do not see how US CV can compete with IJN.

 

Are the tier 6-8 US CV worth the grind?

 

Thanks,

 

 

[darien22]

Until about tier 9 you will feel that way .

[catsmoke]

Should I even bother with CV?

 

[Edited] no.

[TASK_FORCE_16]

honestly i have the independence... will keep the stock loadout... when i had bogue i flew all bombers and enjoyed it.... i plan on either running all stock loadouts or bomber the entire way through.... havent had much issue keeping my squads alive just yet

[Madman7]

thanks for the replies... I did not think so.

[HyperFish]

I'll just leave this here for you. 

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/28522-ijn-cvs-currently-unplayable/

 

 

[Fishrokk]

Well, I'm grinding everything, so I'm on the Bogue right now (last tier 5 to clear before I start buying tier 6's).  I can tell you that even when I shoot down 30+ planes and get some good dive bomb strikes in, it doesn't get as much in XP and credits as my Zuiho did.

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V   Zuiho    9 (Battles)    6 (Victories)   1,326 (Average XP)
Spoiler

Overall Results

Battles    9
Victories    6 (67%)
Battles survived    4
Damage caused    369,561
Warships destroyed    9
Aircraft destroyed    103
Base capture    0
Base defense    0
Average Score per Battle

Experience    1,326.33
Damage caused    41,062.33
Warships destroyed    1.00
Aircraft destroyed    11.44
Base capture    0.00
Base defense    0.00
Highest Score

Experience    1,920
Damage caused    59,790
Warships destroyed    3
Aircraft destroyed    17

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V   Bogue    8 (Battles)   6 (Victories)   1,285 (Average XP)

Overall Results

Battles    8
Victories    6 (75%)
Battles survived    4
Damage caused    123,621
Warships destroyed    2
Aircraft destroyed    190
Base capture    0
Base defense    0
Average Score per Battle

Experience    1,284.63
Damage caused    15,452.63
Warships destroyed    0.25
Aircraft destroyed    23.75
Base capture    0.00
Base defense    0.00
Highest Score

Experience    1,881
Damage caused    43,963
Warships destroyed    1
Aircraft destroyed    42

 

Okay, that didn't work out quite as cleanly as I'd hoped.  And until I looked at these, I thought I had more battles in my Bogue.  For reference, I researched all upgrades and mounted the ones that I wanted on each ship before the first battles.

 

Those are my actual numbers for each ship to date.  I have 34,347 XP on my Bogue, and 1,201 free XP in the bank, so I'd have to get 7,653 XP to finish it without free XP, or 6,452 with.  Probably going to be the full three battles suggested by my average experience with it to finish it out.

 

I'm actually kind of surprised to look at these numbers.  I felt like the Bogue was getting much less XP than the Zuiho.  The credits are definitely much less with the Bogue.

 

Oh - another detail I left off:

I run the Bogue with a fighter load (2/0/1) and I ran the Zuiho with the TB load (1/2/1).

[iman360]

Bogue with fighters all i did with it  once i got Independence i choose tb and db package. (torpedo and dive bombers) 0/1/2

 

Bogue i worked my ([edited]) off to kill fighters. 2/0/1

 

Independence i went at my pace and earned more money. only problems is  Japanese CV are more in control in air (no idea why it got underlined or link)..  they have more group planes so i found it best to 0/1/2 vs 2/0/1

5 groups vs my 2 fighters you get idea.

 

Ranger i unlocked it and bought it haven't figured how i want to play it.

might have to get 2/0/2  because all cv's i'm coming across has fighters but that 0/1/3 is looking more my style cause of payout .

 

T7 ijn has 6 groups vs usn 4 problem here if all cv's got fighters i'm pretty useless (0/1/3) AA on these ships is pain in rear.

 

this was last game i had in indy  both of us was 0/1/2

 

this here is 0/1/2 against fighter load out 2/0/1 as you can see xp is more = higher payout. 2cv match

and here vs another fighter cv 1vs1

and this is why i didn't pick fighter load out cause of how i played Bogue.

[Fishrokk]

Bogue with fighters all i did with it  once i got Independence i choose tb and db package.

 

Independence i went at my pace and earned more money. only problems is Japanese Aircraft Carriers can't stop them.

 

Your link goes to the forum section, would you mind clarifying your statement that IJN CV's "can't stop them"?  I'm having the same experience with the Bogue (working my tail off to get plane kills), and if I can skip that in the Independence, I'd like to.  What's the load for Independence that you use?

[HARDCORE_BR]

Hello ! Madman7

 

I was reading some Aircraft Carriers threads here and there , and I feel like I MUST share something with you. This is a match , that happend 2 days ago . I hope that change your mind about US CVs. Enjoy.

 

Oh , forgive me my bad language in the replay . 

 

 

 

 

 If you eventually want to wipe out, mostly alone , an enemy team , reach 3k base exp ( 3.6k on that one if I remeber well by the Essex player,witch did eveything right in my opinion , despite his ship power) . Even when your team dont help you at all ... You should grind Essex . Carry more then planes , carry matches.

 

[Sticky_Bombed]

The amount of planes evens out since the IJN can have more squads in the air so the IJN have an advantage until T8 then a smaller advantage. Forcing USN to be more defensive in order to get more squadrons kills it for allot of players. Going with default config is ok but can easily get overwhelmed by IJN plane spamming. T7 scenario: 3 IJN fighter squads with TB versus 1 USN fighter squad with TB is a mess. It also boils down to MM luck usually.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

As it stands right now, there is no doubt that Tier IX Essex and Tier X Midway are great performers.  Everything else below ranges from being a subpar performer (Tier V-VII) or barely passable (Tier VIII).  To get to the goodness of Essex & Midway you have to crawl through a lot of subpar crap.

 

Realize that I said "As it stands right now" at the beginning of my post.  Because Essex & Midway will be brought down a notch soon enough, Midway first though.  The only good thing about the USN CV line is at Tier IX and X.

 

I'll also leave with this:

 

Throughout the tiers, you can find many bad USN CVs.

 

Throughout the tiers, there is no such thing as a bad IJN CV.

[AdmiralMudkip]

Do what all the other CV players do:

 

Grab the IJN CV's, grind to the Hakuryu, then use all the free XP and money to shoot yourself all the way to the Essex/Midway! OR suffer through the tiers and reward yourself immensely when you finally reach it. Cause at Tier 9 and 10, they're freaking worth it! Hakuryu and Taiho are fine, but none of those strong IJN CV's can scream "OHKO" or "Fatality..." or "get rekt scrub" like the combined tight spread of the 12 torpedoes that comes from the USN CV's of Essex and Midway. 

 

A mouthful.  

 

I suffered through the Ranger against more powerful Hiryus (though I did a lot better than I anticipated) and suffered through the (personal) travesty that was the Lexington.  Essex and Midway are the stars of the USN CV's and even after the nerf, they're still going to be as powerful as they are right now and stand toe to toe against the IJN CV's.

 

Though pondering about the nerf, I think it's simply either a slight reduction of their rear tail fire, slight reduction of their hit points, or their slight reduction of their air reserves. Because those 3 deadly concoctions make the Midway extremely powerful.