How to calculate penetration potential of a shell?

[draftstone]

Hi!

Unless I did not saw them, in-game you only see the size of the guns, not the velocity at which they shoot neither the mass of the shell. But to calculate penetration of said shell, mass and velocity are needed (and distance to target since distance reduces speed, at least in real life, don't know about WoWS).

 

Is there any place to find those numbers? Are they the real life values so I can look at the guns info off google?

 

And also, once I get the values, how is the penetration potential calculated? If possible adding distance + angling of opponent into equation.

I would like to make some charts for the ships I play to know the best distance to engage different ships.

 

Thanks!

[Ares2890]

Unfortunately WG hasn't decided to put those numbers in the UI, so there's no way to know in game. The velocity and penetration of the shell are in the game files so if you feel like rooting around in there you should be able to find them. IIRC shells in WoWS don't have a mass, just a penetration value ( like in WoT) which changes based on distance, could be wrong though, I've never looked at the data myself. As for angling the standard equations for that should apply, though I don't know if WoWS has any special overmatch mechanics.

[xTheButcherPete]

Try shooting a DD with AP from anything. That's the overmatch mechanic

[IKU19]

Unfortunately WG hasn't decided to put those numbers in the UI, so there's no way to know in game. The velocity and penetration of the shell are in the game files so if you feel like rooting around in there you should be able to find them. IIRC shells in WoWS don't have a mass, just a penetration value ( like in WoT) which changes based on distance, could be wrong though, I've never looked at the data myself. As for angling the standard equations for that should apply, though I don't know if WoWS has any special overmatch mechanics.

 

There is a mass value, in the lower tiers in particular it is entirely possible to citadel a battleship as a cruiser, however you have to be very close and it largely depends on a number of other things. Mass also affects the shell's arc and drop speed, the chance of it ricocheting or overpenetrating. 

 

There hasn't been a whole lot of science and research dumped into figuring this out, mostly because there isn't a lot of tangable data but there are indicators that mass is present.

[teamoldmill]

WG thinks we are too dumb to analyze this information.

[draftstone]

Thanks for the information so far!

 

Could anyone point me which files contain all the gun infos?

[Im_The_Seeker2]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Hstfrmla.htm

 

This is the formula that they use.

[pmgaudio]

no math needed, RNG is rule.... KING..... GOD!!!! ALL HAIL RNGeesusssssssssssss

[Bacl]

Now take out your Warspite with its pinpoint accuracy and give the honor finger to the RnG!

 

[teamoldmill]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Hstfrmla.htm

 

This is the formula that they use.

 

Do we know how closely they stick to it? If they are right on target, than some new ships upcoming have some severe penetration problems at any real range.

[Im_The_Seeker2]

 

Do we know how closely they stick to it? If they are right on target, than some new ships upcoming have some severe penetration problems at any real range.

 

I don't know, all I know is that is the formula that is used, or some variation of it

[Higgle]

Kongo's 35.6cm shells can penetrate 460mm of armor at 10,300 metres in-game.

 

See if you can do anything with that information. Chances are, you'll need another data point before you can extrapolate anything, and even then, that's only for Kongo's guns. Myogi's and Fuso's 35.6cm guns may differ in penetration power.

 

Source: an hour in a training room.

[pmgaudio]

 

Do we know how closely they stick to it? If they are right on target, than some new ships upcoming have some severe penetration problems at any real range.

 

not if they are Russian ships, cause.... WG

 

 

just sayin

[BlackAngelCom]

 

Do we know how closely they stick to it? If they are right on target, than some new ships upcoming have some severe penetration problems at any real range.

 

Mostly. Some of the guns or their upgrades never existed, and the Yamato seems to have a much greater difference versus the Iowa/Montana gun than those charts allow.