1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #1 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Comments:-Carriers and cruisers are dying -The Yamato is making a resurgence -USN cruisers above tier 5 are almost dead Predictions: -Carriers and cruisers will die -Battleships and destroyers will become dominant -Specifically, German battleships will dominate along with IJN destroyers. -Japanese battleships will also be very viable. -Bring out a cruiser? You are a deadweight - Edited October 4, 2015 by ShermanMedium 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
627 Naughtius_Maximus Beta Testers 3,000 posts 4,522 battles Report post #2 Posted October 4, 2015 You do realize USN DDs are much better at the highest tiers, right? Yamato never had a "resurgence." It's been dominant throughout its lifetime, though there was a time back when turrets had no armor in CBT... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
762 IceSerpen7 Members 3,959 posts 7,738 battles Report post #3 Posted October 4, 2015 -Specifically, German battleships will dominate along with IJN destroyers. German ships will dominate in a WG game? I wouldn't hold my breath... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,211 10T0nHammer Members 7,307 posts 3,304 battles Report post #4 Posted October 4, 2015 I see high tiers being dominated by IJN BBs and VMF DDS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #5 Posted October 4, 2015 German ships will dominate in a WG game? I wouldn't hold my breath... They'll do what IJN ships are doing now, but even better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49 [ZR] Yasenpoi Members 482 posts 15,168 battles Report post #6 Posted October 4, 2015 Midway dominates all matches. MM gave up on trying to match tier 10 carriers. You often see a single midway against no CV or a tier 8-9 CV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #7 Posted October 4, 2015 Comments: -Carriers and cruisers are dying -The Yamato is making a resurgence -USN cruisers above tier 5 are almost dead Predictions: -Carriers and cruisers will die -Battleships and destroyers will become dominant -Specifically, German battleships will dominate along with IJN destroyers. -Japanese battleships will also be very viable. -Bring out a cruiser? You are a deadweight - Carriers are indeed dying out, I was a hardcore carrier player...a few games post 4.1 in the Hiryu was enough to make me sell it...fast! Cruisers are not dying out in the least, American ones yes...because well...they are garbage...almost like their destroyer line. Yamato has always been the king...just since the lack of carrier spam, more and more are coming out in force. They are once again the school yard bully of tier 10. USN cruisers above tier 7 are basically dead. The amount of Cola's I've seen tell me the cleveland spammers are trying something new...and most will burn out before they make it to the New Orleans...but those that do are damn good foes. --------- My perdictions: We'll see more German cruisers than a rally in Munich, because the alpha/beta players who got burned out will come back in droves. IJN cruisers, like the Aoba/Atago/Mogami will come out in more numbers when these guys wanna switch it up...most will see the Myoko as pointless due to the turret nurf (me I see it as a tier 7 atago now for ranked.) Carriers are a joke...I fail to see the logic behind an Independence in a tier 8 battle as top CV, not like they were steller in their own tiers. As it stands USN fighters are still OP as hell...and IJN carriers are very "meh" Outside of the 9 and 10, both lines are pretty much useless. I don't see anything below a 9/10 as a threat anymore...and I run a Tirpitz. IJN Destroyers are still shady...the ninja torp spam is annoying...but it's not as bad as the minekaze was...they may see a spotting nurf as more people progress. The USN DD's are straight up garbage...sure the Fletcher and Gearing are cool due to torp spam...but most of their line is an exercise in stupidity....or sheer willpower...or both.... Tirpitz will slowly fade away when the cruisers come out, she wont be warspite rare...but in time it'll be 2 maybe 3 a match at most. The russian DD's will eclipse the USN DD's from what I've seen of their line, their guns/speed/cloak make them stupid good. The German battleship line will be great if Tirpitz is what they will be offering, good armor, and medium range guns...I thought the 15 inch gun was hard to use...but they punch just as well as 16 inch guns...I imagine the 11 inch guns would be similar but with a rapid rate of fire to make up for the lack of raw Damage Per Shot. What I'm curious more so is the fix to carriers...the cone torpedo strikes will just make them broken beyond belief to anyone who has mastered click dropping. To me the "national flavor" is killing them...IJN was all about strike...whilst USN was about fighters...now IJN is gimped and USN rules with fighters...something I just don't understand. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
762 IceSerpen7 Members 3,959 posts 7,738 battles Report post #8 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) They'll do what IJN ships are doing now, but even better. Counter-prediction: "According to Sekret Dokuments, all german guns historically had a 5km range with 500m dispersion...and could only be reloaded while in a dry dock". Edited October 4, 2015 by IceSerpen7 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,367 [HINON] Captain_Dorja [HINON] Beta Testers 5,913 posts 5,645 battles Report post #9 Posted October 4, 2015 Dr_Venture's got it pretty much right on the nose. Special comments on the Indy. Worst carrier I've ever played. It has no load out that is effective, full stop, and not enough planes to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
366 [KNTAI] Ms_Makawee Beta Testers 1,293 posts 12,478 battles Report post #10 Posted October 4, 2015 Carriers are indeed dying out, I was a hardcore carrier player...a few games post 4.1 in the Hiryu was enough to make me sell it...fast! This part makes me sad, as I feel Carriers add an extra dimension to gameplay and the planes are fun to play around when balanced properly. I don't enjoy playing Carriers myself (since I would prefer to play defensively and protect people with my planes, which is subpar), but I wish more people did so I'd see them more often. The Cruiser statement is true as well. I'm currently at the New Orleans myself in the tree, and, once you get past the Cleveland, USN Cruisers seem to dry up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 Evil_Irish701 Alpha Tester 475 posts 1,930 battles Report post #11 Posted October 4, 2015 Japanese cruisers seem to be alive though not as many. I'm loving having the Mogami back but us dds aren't fun any more. I stopped at the Clemson. As a non carrier player i don't know what's happened buti hardly ever seen them. Sometimes it's fun not having to worry about planes but I feel like without that threat there people ae just gonna derp around in straight lines in BB and higher teir cruisers and I am definitely seening more of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
373 x2_Weekends Beta Testers 824 posts 2,509 battles Report post #12 Posted October 4, 2015 Carriers are indeed dying out, I was a hardcore carrier player...a few games post 4.1 in the Hiryu was enough to make me sell it...fast! Cruisers are not dying out in the least, American ones yes...because well...they are garbage...almost like their destroyer line. Yamato has always been the king...just since the lack of carrier spam, more and more are coming out in force. They are once again the school yard bully of tier 10. USN cruisers above tier 7 are basically dead. The amount of Cola's I've seen tell me the cleveland spammers are trying something new...and most will burn out before they make it to the New Orleans...but those that do are damn good foes. --------- My perdictions: We'll see more German cruisers than a rally in Munich, because the alpha/beta players who got burned out will come back in droves. IJN cruisers, like the Aoba/Atago/Mogami will come out in more numbers when these guys wanna switch it up...most will see the Myoko as pointless due to the turret nurf (me I see it as a tier 7 atago now for ranked.) Carriers are a joke...I fail to see the logic behind an Independence in a tier 8 battle as top CV, not like they were steller in their own tiers. As it stands USN fighters are still OP as hell...and IJN carriers are very "meh" Outside of the 9 and 10, both lines are pretty much useless. I don't see anything below a 9/10 as a threat anymore...and I run a Tirpitz. IJN Destroyers are still shady...the ninja torp spam is annoying...but it's not as bad as the minekaze was...they may see a spotting nurf as more people progress. The USN DD's are straight up garbage...sure the Fletcher and Gearing are cool due to torp spam...but most of their line is an exercise in stupidity....or sheer willpower...or both.... Tirpitz will slowly fade away when the cruisers come out, she wont be warspite rare...but in time it'll be 2 maybe 3 a match at most. The russian DD's will eclipse the USN DD's from what I've seen of their line, their guns/speed/cloak make them stupid good. The German battleship line will be great if Tirpitz is what they will be offering, good armor, and medium range guns...I thought the 15 inch gun was hard to use...but they punch just as well as 16 inch guns...I imagine the 11 inch guns would be similar but with a rapid rate of fire to make up for the lack of raw Damage Per Shot. What I'm curious more so is the fix to carriers...the cone torpedo strikes will just make them broken beyond belief to anyone who has mastered click dropping. To me the "national flavor" is killing them...IJN was all about strike...whilst USN was about fighters...now IJN is gimped and USN rules with fighters...something I just don't understand. this is pretty depressing to read because it is basically what we know is coming (USN being power creeped into uselessness) and because it's coming so early in the game's life. CV's nerfed into uselessness. Cruisers nerfed into uselessness beyond tier VI. DD's being either inconsistent (IJN), and therefore unreliable, or being useless (USN) or situational (Soviet). I hope the people who wanted World of Battleships to come to fruition are happy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #13 Posted October 4, 2015 Basically they took away the one thing that made the IJN carriers special, their strike package. Now you've got a pair of fighters to "help" (get murdered more like it) you along...all the whilst your ability to influence a match has gone down tremendously. Not to mention we've still got the Cleveland (tier 8 in a tier 6's clothing).... All they had to do was buff the AA on some lower tiered ships...but no we gotta go full [edited]and basically ruin a whole line. They need to just erase their balances with the carriers, make them all the same...a few tweaks here or there but this "national flavor" is bull... Hell American's get better as they progress, have you seen the spread on torpedo bombers? You can't dodge that crap from .6 away from your hull! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #14 Posted October 4, 2015 CV's need to be rebuilt from the bottom up with planes that are: -semi historically accurate (bye bye biplanes on a 1944 carrier!) -make the spread for torpedo bombers the exact same...just tweak their damage -remove the USN's "I'm a better fighter than you, and I'm stock!" nonsense. TBH if they wanted "flavor" they should have made IJN carriers torpedo bombers stronger, same spread as they have (give the same to the USN!) but made the USN better with dive bombers...because that is basically what they went for in the end right? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
366 [KNTAI] Ms_Makawee Beta Testers 1,293 posts 12,478 battles Report post #15 Posted October 4, 2015 CV's need to be rebuilt from the bottom up with planes that are: -semi historically accurate (bye bye biplanes on a 1944 carrier!) Backstreet Boys please. As well, I agree with this part absolutely. I found it strange even WW2 Carriers have... biplanes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
270 [BS] Pyrofiend Alpha Tester 586 posts 1,053 battles Report post #16 Posted October 4, 2015 CV's need to be rebuilt from the bottom up with planes that are: -semi historically accurate (bye bye biplanes on a 1944 carrier!) -make the spread for torpedo bombers the exact same...just tweak their damage -remove the USN's "I'm a better fighter than you, and I'm stock!" nonsense. TBH if they wanted "flavor" they should have made IJN carriers torpedo bombers stronger, same spread as they have (give the same to the USN!) but made the USN better with dive bombers...because that is basically what they went for in the end right? Hold up let me dig up a post I made in CBT Wargaming's response to US CVs being unfun to play is to make IJN CVs just as unfun to play. Perfect. Shokaku is going to gather dust in my port now I guess. I posted this on May 28th after the IJN TB spread nerf. Since then WG has continually nerfed the fun of CVs. Notice I said "fun," because it can actually be a separate entity from "power." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,126 [VNGRD] Shadowrigger1 Members 4,533 posts 18,724 battles Report post #17 Posted October 4, 2015 Indeed, the Windmill of Friendship fanboi's will be dropping their lederhosen to ankle level for a good few months when the German line is released, so the death of the US cruisers is just over the horizon. Once the Russian DDs pop out with their "Motherland Is Supreme Guns" the US DDs are done. CV's.. I sold mine just after the hair pulling grind of the Bogue and haven't looked back, the game play of the CVs is mind numbingly dull. I agree CV's need to be completely rebuilt from the concept up to make them compatible with the way the game is designed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
206 SpeedingBus Beta Testers 1,198 posts 2,732 battles Report post #18 Posted October 4, 2015 Comments: -Carriers and cruisers are dying -The Yamato is making a resurgence -USN cruisers above tier 5 are almost dead Predictions: -Carriers and cruisers will die -Battleships and destroyers will become dominant -Specifically, German battleships will dominate along with IJN destroyers. -Japanese battleships will also be very viable. -Bring out a cruiser? You are a deadweight - You mean US Cruisers above T6 than your correct. Also IJN BB's are more skill based compared to having US BB's being forced to brawling with rng. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
204 StrikeTalon Members 1,054 posts 11,054 battles Report post #19 Posted October 4, 2015 Midway dominates all matches. MM gave up on trying to match tier 10 carriers. You often see a single midway against no CV or a tier 8-9 CV. Ive yet to see a CV with no opposing CV since the CV MM changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #20 Posted October 4, 2015 You mean US Cruisers above T6 than your correct. Also IJN BB's are more skill based compared to having US BB's being forced to brawling with rng. Nope, Cleveland is crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,367 [HINON] Captain_Dorja [HINON] Beta Testers 5,913 posts 5,645 battles Report post #21 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Nope, Cleveland is crap. If the Cleveland is crap, than what pray tell, is good? Edited October 4, 2015 by Captain_Dorja Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
904 [CLOVR] teamoldmill Beta Testers 3,667 posts 1,637 battles Report post #22 Posted October 4, 2015 Russian DDs, IJN cruisers and BBs then whatever carrier is FOTM. Those are the best lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
194 [CONQR] Happy_Thoughts Beta Testers 895 posts 13,174 battles Report post #23 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) CVs wont die. You will always have that a$$hat cv player that just wants to set damage records and not play anything else while everyone who mains CVs moves on to grind a non-CV tree. .x./ Edited October 4, 2015 by Kancollewuzhere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #24 Posted October 4, 2015 Hold up let me dig up a post I made in CBT I posted this on May 28th after the IJN TB spread nerf. Since then WG has continually nerfed the fun of CVs. Notice I said "fun," because it can actually be a separate entity from "power." I'd give you a cookie for calling that, but alas I'm skint until friday. They've basically made CV's so bad that the 9 and 10 are only worth playing...thus the guys who have em will sit on em...and tell the rest of us we're horrible. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
561 Harv72b Members 1,571 posts 6,979 battles Report post #25 Posted October 4, 2015 I must be the only person alive who enjoys playing mid-level USN destroyers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
