Atlanta and Cleveland need to swap tiers

[xPapa_Smurfx]

Atlanta is a paper bag and really doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as people think.  I like it, but it is badly outclassed at Tier VII.  It's not even that good at its intended AA role and would be a better AA fit at the lower tier.  The Cleveland is exactly the opposite.  There is pretty strong consensus that Cleveland punches above its weight at Tier VI and I have much better AA performance from it that the Atlanta.  After having played both ships, I really feel they should just swap tiers.

[Nuk_]

I have done really good in the Atlanta as both an AA escort and attacking enemies. With its detection range being 11 km, they only spot you when you are able to shoot them back.

[Carrier_Taiyo]

They said they will move the Cleveland up a tier or two when they split the USN tree into light and heavy cruiser lines.

[Seraphil]

Atlanta kills planes better than Cleveland.  iChase did a demonstration video a while back that shows them in identical controlled test situations, and Atlanta killed about 5 or so more planes than the Cleveland when activating their AA barrage.

[Noshiro_]

For you OP

[alexf24]

I prefer Atlanta and yes I did kill more planes than with my Cleveland a few times. Once I was jumped, in the first minute of the game, even before I was in range of anybody, by a CV with all he got (I believe it was five squadrons). All together, TBs and DBs, all at the same time. Why did he singled out an Atlanta when the game was starting and he had BBs behind me, I do not know. Id did not go well for him. Popped ny Defensive AA Fire ability, and shot 10 planes in second.s Not one bomb or torpedo hit. Suffice to say I was impressed (and I bet he was too). He left me alone the rest of the game.

 

I agree they should be swapped. Atlanta should be at T6 and Cleveland at T7.

 

When I get a T6 or T7 game in Atlanta it is wonderful. DDs die and BBs melt. When I get T8 (and been in games with a couple of T9 cruisers and BBs, things don't go so well).

 

I also experienced first hand, many times, that 1v1, Cleveland will kill Atlanta more often than not (unless Cleveland starts the fight with lower health).

[RobertViktor68]

For you OP

 

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Burn OP

[Xenomancers]

No....they really don't....First - atlanta hands down destroys the Cleveland 1v1. 2nd Atlanta has better AA too. Basically...Shut up about the cleveland already! It's not in the least bit OP. There isn't a t6 ship I can't 1v1 a cleveland in. That includes the Farragut.

[Lonewolfpj]

I love both ships

[QWERTYEel89]

The ATL reminds me of some of the non-pref MM tanks you have in WOT. Such as the T34 or the Lowe, they're good tanks but until you get a feel for them and the game you're in you're only gonna end up thinking at the end of each battle, why did I buy this thing? I think it has potential much like an E25 or the RHM. Issue is staying alive while dishing out reasonable damage. I spent a good chunk of time in one match before moving in so as to keep from being the center of attention. From there I let out the barrage, hit right click and wiggle in and out of the 12-10 km radius, adjusting my aim accordingly.

 

I won't say I've mastered it or any ship in here, but I will say I don't want to see myself leaving a fine machine to rust for 6 months to a year because of my refusing to sit down and understand it's weaknesses. The Murmansk is another one, but with that, that is for all intents and purposes, an Omaha...no seriously, it is.

[crzyhawk]

Atlanta was a lot more fun before the USN muzzle velocity nerf.

[MrDeaf]

No....they really don't....First - atlanta hands down destroys the Cleveland 1v1. 2nd Atlanta has better AA too. Basically...Shut up about the cleveland already! It's not in the least bit OP. There isn't a t6 ship I can't 1v1 a cleveland in. That includes the Farragut.

 

I don't think this is true unless it's a sub 9km engagement or a torpedo ambush.

 

152mm AP will wreck Atlanta's turrets

152mm flies flatter than 127mm and goes further

Cleveland is faster and more maneuverable

Cleveland has more armor and more HP

 

127mm HE can hit for a lot, but this means exposing yourself against 152mm AP

127mm AP will only pen Cleveland at very short ranges

Atlanta can't reasonably dodge Cleveland's shots, thanks to slow rudder

Atlanta can't dictate the engagement range a majority of the time, unless hiding around islands and ambushing.

 

 

The only way Atlanta can win against other cruisers is if it hides behind islands, or if the Cleveland is dumb enough to close the distance and sail in a straight line.

[Bril01]

The Atlanta is more of an escort cruiser than the predator the Cleveland is.  It has better AA and can completely dominate any cruiser or DD that wanders within it's gun range.  It is intended to help protect BBs and CVs, in this role it is very powerful.

[Ekimonuck]

I agree Bril, they both have to separate roles to play in the game.

 

[Eisennagel]

 

 

Omaha C has better range than an Atlanta.  I am able to get some damaging pen AP shots at an Atlanta using my Murmansk.  Its kind of ridiculous to think a Tier 5 cruiser is outranging and hurting a Tier 7 cruiser.  The Atlanta is super damaging when it's in range, but the Tier 5 cruiser can outrun it, easier to flip between the islands while doing so with its smaller turn radius and faster rudder shift.  In other words, a Tier 5 cruiser is allowed to dictate the terms of engagement against a Tier 7 cruiser.

[crzyhawk]

 

 

Omaha C has better range than an Atlanta.  I am able to get some damaging pen AP shots at an Atlanta using my Murmansk.  Its kind of ridiculous to think a Tier 5 cruiser is outranging and hurting a Tier 7 cruiser.  The Atlanta is super damaging when it's in range, but the Tier 5 cruiser can outrun it, easier to flip between the islands while doing so with its smaller turn radius and faster rudder shift.  In other words, a Tier 5 cruiser is allowed to dictate the terms of engagement against a Tier 7 cruiser.

 

The problem is entirely because of the uncalled for velocity/trajectory nerf.  Atlanta was lovely in CBT before they gutted it with that nerf.  It went from being my very favorite ship to play to somewhere around 3rd favorite or so behind Murmansk and *gasp* Pensacola.  now I look at her in my port and miss the good ol days when she was really awesome and fun.

[Eisennagel]

 

 

The Atlanta should have similar muzzle velocities and arcs to the Cleveland and Baltimore:

 

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-38_mk12.htm

 

The 762mps figure is too common for all these cruisers and appears to be design and specification, not coincidence.  They could at least adjust that to 792 mps for new guns.  

[MrDeaf]

 

 

Omaha C has better range than an Atlanta.  I am able to get some damaging pen AP shots at an Atlanta using my Murmansk.  Its kind of ridiculous to think a Tier 5 cruiser is outranging and hurting a Tier 7 cruiser.  The Atlanta is super damaging when it's in range, but the Tier 5 cruiser can outrun it, easier to flip between the islands while doing so with its smaller turn radius and faster rudder shift.  In other words, a Tier 5 cruiser is allowed to dictate the terms of engagement against a Tier 7 cruiser.

 

Omaha/Murmunsk range, fire chance and AP damage has gotten to the point of, "If I'm not in a Cleveland, Pensacola or Myoko, I don't want to engage it inside of 15km"

[StrikeTalon]

Atlanta kills planes better than Cleveland.  iChase did a demonstration video a while back that shows them in identical controlled test situations, and Atlanta killed about 5 or so more planes than the Cleveland when activating their AA barrage.

 

Thats because T7 AA is always better than T6 AA.  All things being equal.