IJN guns are so bad!

[sushimaster]

 

61% hit rate and average 2,2 k dmg a salvo, such bad bad guns 

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

poor myoko

[RearAdmiralButts]

Nothing wrong with Myoko's guns,  I see you didn't fire a round of AP.  That's your problem right there. 

[sushimaster]

Nothing wrong with Myoko's guns,  I see you didn't fire a round of AP.  That's your problem right there. 

But am in a Fubuki XD

[DownhillDino]

Fubuki's guns are awesome, when they're pointed the right way... dreaded traverse times!

[RearAdmiralButts]

But am in a Fubuki XD

 

Oh LOL!!   Missed that!  Good Job!

 

[Draconas]

Thing is, for a DD at least, IJN is not meant to have good guns, they are adequate and can do the job, but if you want a gunboat your playing wrong nation.

 

Also, you must have finished people off with torps because 55k for 6 torp hits is pretty low.

[sushimaster]

Thing is, for a DD at least, IJN is not meant to have good guns, they are adequate and can do the job, but if you want a gunboat your playing wrong nation.

 

Also, you must have finished people off with torps because 55k for 6 torp hits is pretty low.

They are not meant to but they do have good guns. 9 k per torp is pretty average, not low since BB torpedo bulge can cut a torp dmg in half, Fubuki Torp have a max of 17 k

[dahdah325]

Thing is, for a DD at least, IJN is not meant to have good guns, they are adequate and can do the job, but if you want a gunboat your playing wrong nation.

 

Also, you must have finished people off with torps because 55k for 6 torp hits is pretty low.

 

Not necessarily. If a couple of those were belt hits, it would easily account for sub-10k hit average. Even Shima torps will hit for sub-10k on BB torp belts.  

[HazeGrayUnderway]

All the talk about USN DDs being the "Gunboats" of this game and the "IJN DD Killers" really only applies for low to mid tier games.

 

Thing is, for a DD at least, IJN is not meant to have good guns, they are adequate and can do the job, but if you want a gunboat your playing wrong nation.

 

Also, you must have finished people off with torps because 55k for 6 torp hits is pretty low.

 

That only applies until Tier VII Hatsuharu comes into play.  IJN DDs do not have the ROF to spam shells.  But the guns are accurate and fire at flatter trajectories than USN DD guns.  USN DD guns have a stupidly large firing arc and hang time that only gets worse with more range.

 

Add to this the fact that USN DDs are detected far earlier than IJN DDs.  USN DDs also have a ridiculously long timer to re-conceal themselves than IJN DDs.

 

So, IJN DDs can:

1. Detect USN DDs before USN DDs can detect the IJN ones.

2. At upper tiers, have the guns to pick apart USN DDS with accurate fire while USN DD gunfire is hanging in the air for what seems like forever.

3. Due to having better concealment ranges than USN DDs, the IJN DD doesn't struggle as much to get into a range to re-conceal themselves if trying to break contact.

4. Have shorter re-concealment timers than USN DDs to slip away sooner

5. Up and down the tech trees, have longer ranged torpedoes to boot.

 

The only place where USN DDs truly shine is very short ranged gunfire spam.  Nothing else.

[Xenomancers]

All the talk about USN DDs being the "Gunboats" of this game and the "IJN DD Killers" really only applies for low to mid tier games.

 

 

That only applies until Tier VII Hatsuharu comes into play.  IJN DDs do not have the ROF to spam shells.  But the guns are accurate and fire at flatter trajectories than USN DD guns.  USN DD guns have a stupidly large firing arc and hang time that only gets worse with more range.

 

Add to this the fact that USN DDs are detected far earlier than IJN DDs.  USN DDs also have a ridiculously long timer to re-conceal themselves than IJN DDs.

 

So, IJN DDs can:

1. Detect USN DDs before USN DDs can detect the IJN ones.

2. At upper tiers, have the guns to pick apart USN DDS with accurate fire while USN DD gunfire is hanging in the air for what seems like forever.

3. Due to having better concealment ranges than USN DDs, the IJN DD doesn't struggle as much to get into a range to re-conceal themselves if trying to break contact.

4. Have shorter re-concealment timers than USN DDs to slip away sooner

5. Up and down the tech trees, have longer ranged torpedoes to boot.

 

The only place where USN DDs truly shine is very short ranged gunfire spam.  Nothing else.

 

BINGO! Better boats all around in every category that matters. USN guns to have better range...an advantage that can't really be exploited due to poor arcs...Better AA - whoohoo!

[Cobraclutch]

 

BINGO! Better boats all around in every category that matters. USN guns to have better range...an advantage that can't really be exploited due to poor arcs...Better AA - whoohoo!

 

I love when people argue that USN DD's have better AA? Big deal !

 

38 AA wooo so dangerous .. 

 

I really am worried what they are gonna do (or not do). As it stands now a Shimakaze can do everything a Gearing can do but better. 

 

Oh wait, we have our superior AA right? 

 

 

[Xenomancers]

 

I love when people argue that USN DD's have better AA? Big deal !

 

38 AA wooo so dangerous .. 

 

I really am worried what they are gonna do (or not do). As it stands now a Shimakaze can do everything a Gearing can do but better. 

 

Oh wait, we have our superior AA right? 

 

 

You want a gun boat play the Atalanta dude. USN DD are under-powered supports - nothing more. Still fun to play though ;). I still think I can do some serious work in gearing though. Tonight I bust out the Fletcher for the first time too. I hope I have some good battles to report.

[Cobraclutch]

You want a gun boat play the Atalanta dude. USN DD are under-powered supports - nothing more. Still fun to play though ;). I still think I can do some serious work in gearing though. Tonight I bust out the Fletcher for the first time too. I hope I have some good battles to report.

 

I don't really care if it plays as a gun boat or a support. What bothers me is the lack of actual meaningful stats for the support role, which just pigeon hole us into looking like bad players.... 

 

I wish WG Would stop advertising the USN DD's as gun boats, it sets a really bad example. 

 

The number one complaint most players have going into tier 7/8 with the USN DD's is the fact that they really aren't that good at being dedicated gunboats, and that is partially the fault of Wargaming for pimping them out to being such. 

 

What will WG do once more powerful gun boats come out from the French/USSR lines, will they go back and retroactively change the descriptions for USN DDs? 

 

Should be advertised as a jack of all trades master of none... Even then its hard to swallow that pill when i see top tier IJN DD's doing everything i can do but better. 

 

OH wait, we have the Defensive fire and better smoke right? Support roles here we commeeeeeee!