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Heavy and light cruisers make up two distinctly different types of warship; each should have their own tech tree.   The current tech tree is illogical, evolving from light to heavy cruisers doesn't represent a linear progression.    Why not have two cruiser tech trees?  

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Heavy and light cruisers make up two distinctly different types of warship; each should have their own tech tree.   The current tech tree is illogical, evolving from light to heavy cruisers doesn't represent a linear progression.    Why not have two cruiser tech trees?  

 

its planned in the future

 

but right now they working on nation trees. then they'l branch out

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this is already planed. you have to remember WG is trying to add 3-5 other nations at this time to the game, they'll also be adding more ships later down the line and will eventually separate CLs form CAs and form multiple lines.:bajan:


 

Just be patient!

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its planned in the future

 

but right now they working on nation trees. then they'l branch out

 

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its planned in the future

 

but right now they working on nation trees. then they'l branch out

 

Good to know.  I'm looking forward to seeing other nations represented too.    

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this is already planed. you have to remember WG is trying to add 3-5 other nations at this time to the game, they'll also be adding more ships later down the line and will eventually separate CLs form CAs and form multiple lines.:bajan:

 

 

Just be patient!

 

I read there will be German, British, French, and Italian.   Do you know of any others?  The Netherlands navy would be interesting from a historic point of view.

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There have been several proposals for this (including my own).

 

Most of them agree with the Omaha being the "fork point", and going to the Pensacola and Brooklyn, sometimes through a "watered down" or "paper" design (like "8 gun proto-Pensacola" or "Scout Cruiser 1921")

 

Don't worry mate, the calls for action are loud and clear on this one :bajan:

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Its going to be a bit of a problem with the IJN.  You see the fork point for the IJN between light and heavy begins with the Yubari, which is moved out of the tree by turning it into a premium.  Because its a one off ship?  The problem is that the Yubari is also a vital missing link in the IJN cruiser evolution.

 

The Yubari is the basis of modern Hiraga based IJN ship design.  From the Yubari, the Furutaka was designed after it, originally with 6 140mm guns (would like to see that config in the game) before they were switched to 203s in response to the US (Omaha to Pensacola).  From the Furutaka, you get the Aoba, then the Myoko and then the Takao.  The last three were all dedicated heavy cruisers from the started.  From the Yubari also comes the Katori training cruisers and the Ning Hai class (sold to the Chinese before they had a war, and then the Agano and Mogami (which were later switched to 203s). From the Mogami you get the Tone which also originally started as a light cruiser, then converted into a heavy cruiser.

 

So here is another problem with the IJN --- they decided that their larger cruisers should get 8" guns instead of 6".  This resulted in the lack of "large" light cruisers other nations have, e.g. Brooklyn/Cleveland classes, Towns classes in the UK, etc,.).

 

Light cruisers can even be split into two --- a scout or destroyer leader type, which is basically a small light cruiser, and the large light cruisers that match and sometimes even exceed, heavy cruisers in size and tonnage.  The latter belongs to types like the Cleveland, Brooklyn, Worcester, County classes, etc,.  The IJN decided they don't need the big type, which is adopted in the US, UK, and USSR, and the "big" cruisers all get 8" guns.  But they needed a ship to lead their excellent destroyer fleet, which were primarily led by RN design inspired WW1 light cruisers (Tenryu, Kuma, Nagara, Sendai). As these cruisers were getting old, the Agano, growing out from the techs developed in the Yubari, was slated to replace them.

 

The Germans also have another problem because they do not have sustainable light cruiser to the high tiers, their heavy cruisers is a bit of an anomaly, their naval cruiser meta stems from the First World War, where you look at the Armored Cruisers and Battlecruisers.  Their light cruisers end up as training ships despite their voracious armament.  Their Z plan had a lot of improved Panzerschiffe types and they don't seem to have much ideas going beyond the Hipper class.  Their M class cruisers are supposed to be the heart of their CL line, but appeared more for suited for commerce raiding.  Despite being paper ships and as successors to the Leipzigs, they are actually inferior to them in armament.  A scout cruiser proposal, Spahkreuzer 38 is more like a destroyer leader.  The German WW2 fleet is more of a pirate fleet rather than a balanced fleet intended for decisive naval engagement.  

 

The British has an opposite problem from the Japanese.  They appeared to view light cruisers as the future for cruiser design and invested on it.  While the Japanese view the 8" as the heart of their cruiser fleet (and the Germans the 11"), the British placed their eggs on their 6".  The County classes were the apex of heavy cruiser development, kind of meh when compared to the competition, not bad, not that good either, likely able to hold on their own but won't be dominating.  Beyond those ships, you have to rely on paper ships for higher tier heavy cruisers.  The British is going to rely on some very strong light cruisers on the upper tiers, and this is where the RN cruiser line will truly shine.

 

The Soviet Navy has a unique problem for having cruisers using 7" guns. Technically we consider these "heavy cruisers" but their gunnery characteristics are quite inbetween.  The Soviets never succeeded these cruisers, and instead spawned some very good light cruisers for their higher tiers, leaving true 8" heavy cruisers to a paper line.  This makes crafting a dual line difficult for the Soviets.

 

How the people are howling the Cleveland are better than the Pensacola or even the New Orleans foreshadows the tip of the iceberg in the upcoming cruiser meta of the game.  Light cruisers are going to get very good in this game once you have more of them in.

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The British has an opposite problem from the Japanese.  They appeared to view light cruisers as the future for cruiser design and invested on it.  While the Japanese view the 8" as the heart of their cruiser fleet (and the Germans the 11"), the British placed their eggs on their 6".  The County classes were the apex of heavy cruiser development, kind of meh when compared to the competition, not bad, not that good either, likely able to hold on their own but won't be dominating.  Beyond those ships, you have to rely on paper ships for higher tier heavy cruisers.  The British is going to rely on some very strong light cruisers on the upper tiers, and this is where the RN cruiser line will truly shine.

 

 

The principal reason for the British wanting more CL's was that they had a massive commerce chain to maintain.  You see this decision in the CA line with the York class, which was a stripped down County, looking to get better cruising range.  Where the Germans and Japanese wanted bigger cruisers, the British needed MORE cruisers, and as a result, needed them to be cheaper to build and maintain.

 

It's the USN that got the best deal though, since not only could they afford to go big, but they could also build lots.

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