6 [BOMBL] Legion121 Beta Testers 61 posts 5,441 battles Report post #1 Posted August 28, 2015 Alright, so a lot of hype and anger about a certain ship is in these forums. I thought that for a change we could have a thread not dedicated to the German BB's, and it's CA's. (Though I still worry of how a Admiral Hipper will fare at tier 8 with a 80mm armor belt.) But, that's for another topic. I was hoping we could put on our best made tin foil hats and discuss the up and coming not yet announced German destroyer line. What will it play as? Will it be gunboats, torpedo stalker or some sort of middle ground. Perhaps something new? What premium could they offer? How will WG go about balancing them as most German DD were designed and built in the 1930's. Will we see WW1 DD? What class exactly will we see in the tree? (I'm thinking Zerstorer mostly ) What to do you think of the German DD's that were equipped with 150mm main guns, will they be top tier or some sort of middle ground? Will they feature the double turrets? What about RoF and gun traverse. How many torpedoes does the German line hold and what could it's possible average range be? (Please don't let it be the 6km torps on Tirpitz.) Will the guns be fast and accurate with lower damage, as they advertised the German line for having more HP but less powerful guns? Personally I hope the 150mm guns don't have a BB traverse rate and RoF. But, we all know WG has a funny way of balancing things. Finally I would like to see as a premium a destroyer from the (Regia Marina) or Italian navy. (Germans captured some Italian DD's when Italy surrendered.) This will add a little bit of variety while at the same time introducing people to the play-style of a as of yet not created navy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67 Night60700 Members 639 posts 1,355 battles Report post #2 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) As far as I know they'll be gun boats. Germany was know for sticking the 88mm and the 105mm guns on everything. They had a supply barge with 2 88mm guns on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinef%C3%A4hrprahm Edited August 28, 2015 by Night60700 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
627 Naughtius_Maximus Beta Testers 3,000 posts 4,522 battles Report post #3 Posted August 28, 2015 ***** But if WG makes them gunships and they aren't completely crap like USN DDs, I'd instantly switch over. Anything would be better than 0 DPS, 0 Fire chance, and double digit shell flight time at double digit ranges. [content moderated - non constructive/inappropriate]- Yshoneist 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
249 Skramjet Members 733 posts 2,483 battles Report post #4 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Normally I despise driving German stuff on principle. Nazis during this period after all. But if WG makes them gunships and they aren't completely crap like USN DDs, I'd instantly switch over. Anything would be better than 0 DPS, 0 Fire chance, and double digit shell flight time at double digit ranges. I heard USN DDs would get an anti aircraft buff. If you despise driving German stuff, you should hate driving Japanese stuff. What they did in china was every bit as bad as what the Nazis did in the death camps. And in German prisons, I believe 98% of western prisoners survived. In Japanese prisons I believe it was 76% Edited August 28, 2015 by Skramjet 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
194 [CONQR] Happy_Thoughts Beta Testers 895 posts 13,174 battles Report post #5 Posted August 28, 2015 Anything would be better than 0 DPS, 0 Fire chance, and double digit shell flight time at double digit ranges. lower shell sizes have even lower dps, even lower fire chance, and lower range but faster flight time =/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #6 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) I heard USN DDs would get an anti aircraft buff. If you despise driving German stuff, you should hate driving Japanese stuff. What they did in china was every bit as bad as what the Nazis did in the death camps. And in German prisons, I believe 98% of western prisoners survived. In Japanese prisons I believe it was 76% And don't forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and internments. Anyway, don't try to derail the thread. I'd think German destroyers would be gunboats with good guns and torpedoes for when they have to get up close. Basically like a mini-cruiser. I'd expect seeing those Tirpitz torps superglued all over the line. Edited August 28, 2015 by ShermanMedium 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,693 [FOXEH] BladedPheonix Alpha Tester 6,885 posts 22,193 battles Report post #7 Posted August 28, 2015 The Germans will probably have good torpedoes and a good top speed. remember these ships were built to operate in the Baltics, which has really rough seas! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67 Night60700 Members 639 posts 1,355 battles Report post #8 Posted August 28, 2015 ***** **** [content moderated - off topic/inappropriate]- Yshoneist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
23 DSA_Corsair114 Members 208 posts 691 battles Report post #9 Posted August 28, 2015 I'd think German destroyers would be gunboats with good guns and torpedoes for when they have to get up close. Basically like a mini-cruiser. I'd expect seeing those Tirpitz torps superglued all over the line. D'you suppose KM DD's will just be all-around +1 USN DD's? I'm hopin' the USN DD AA buff amounts to more than a hill of beans, but.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,123 Fuchsy Beta Testers 13,436 posts 141 battles Report post #10 Posted August 28, 2015 TBH, the German DDs are going to be a mixed bag.Sure they're fast and have 5.9in Guns. But at what cost? RoF? That's for sure... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67 Night60700 Members 639 posts 1,355 battles Report post #11 Posted August 28, 2015 The Germans will probably have good torpedoes and a good top speed. remember these ships were built to operate in the Baltics, which has really rough seas! Most German Torpedoes were short range but were very fast. With 12.5km being the longest range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #12 Posted August 28, 2015 D'you suppose KM DD's will just be all-around +1 USN DD's? I'm hopin' the USN DD AA buff amounts to more than a hill of beans, but.... German DDs will probably have bad AA, so those carrier planes will try to screw them over. But to make up for that, in the higher tiers, you get a Kuma and decent torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33 Kitakami_ Beta Testers 286 posts 958 battles Report post #13 Posted August 28, 2015 I'd expect a premium US DD as DD-939 pretty soon. No idea who she is? DD-939 was a German Type 1936A-class destroyer, specifically Z39. Two twin mount 150mm guns, and one single 150mm gun make up the main armament, and 8 torp tubes (21in). German DDs should play a lot like US DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,693 [FOXEH] BladedPheonix Alpha Tester 6,885 posts 22,193 battles Report post #14 Posted August 28, 2015 Most German Torpedoes were short range but were very fast. With 12.5km being the longest range. correct and we all know it only takes 1 of them to ruin your day in WOWs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
23 DSA_Corsair114 Members 208 posts 691 battles Report post #15 Posted August 28, 2015 I'd expect a premium US DD as DD-939 pretty soon. No idea who she is? DD-939 was a German Type 1936A-class destroyer, specifically Z39. Two twin mount 150mm guns, and one single 150mm gun make up the main armament, and 8 torp tubes (21in). German DDs should play a lot like US DDs. Jeez, that's pretty close to a Phoenix for punching power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6 [BOMBL] Legion121 Beta Testers 61 posts 5,441 battles Report post #16 Posted August 28, 2015 Jeez, that's pretty close to a Phoenix for punching power. True, but at what cost? I can't begin to imagine the RoF and turret traverse on German DD with 150mm guns. Oh the horror, especially if they are designed as most believe here to be gunboats. Sure you hit hard but good luck tracking your target or firing fast enough to do any good dpm. Im guessing WG will balance it out with fast shells and a flat trajectory.... I hope they don't have IJN DD turret traverse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
719 [UFFA] SinqueScheiDeMona Beta Testers 3,784 posts 5,102 battles Report post #17 Posted August 28, 2015 German later destroyers will be hetzer derp cannons. Probably play out like furutakas with less hp. From the looks of mr. 3s thread ending in one of the light cruiser builds? http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/destroyer/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67 Night60700 Members 639 posts 1,355 battles Report post #18 Posted August 28, 2015 True, but at what cost? I can't begin to imagine the RoF and turret traverse on German DD with 150mm guns. Oh the horror, especially if they are designed as most believe here to be gunboats. Sure you hit hard but good luck tracking your target or firing fast enough to do any good dpm. Im guessing WG will balance it out with fast shells and a flat trajectory.... I hope they don't have IJN DD turret traverse. Not 45sec, it will be the 75 sec of the WarSpite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
296 [WOLFG] Falls_USMC [WOLFG] Members 990 posts 9,588 battles Report post #19 Posted August 28, 2015 I can only hope the German DD line will be gunboats, but with flatter trajectory shells, higher chance of fire an more alpha damage in exchange for medium range torps and inferior AA. And a premium DD so that I can get my fix while I actually get some silver. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,520 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,134 posts 42,527 battles Report post #20 Posted August 28, 2015 I heard USN DDs would get an anti aircraft buff. If you despise driving German stuff, you should hate driving Japanese stuff. What they did in china was every bit as bad as what the Nazis did in the death camps. And in German prisons, I believe 98% of western prisoners survived. In Japanese prisons I believe it was 76% And don't forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and internments. Anyway, don't try to derail the thread. I'd think German destroyers would be gunboats with good guns and torpedoes for when they have to get up close. Basically like a mini-cruiser. I'd expect seeing those Tirpitz torps superglued all over the line. I'd say that Naughtius_Maximus already did that when he said "Normally I despise driving German stuff on principle. Nazis during this period after all." If he didn't want to derail the thread, he shouldn't have said this in the first place. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #21 Posted August 28, 2015 I'd say that Naughtius_Maximus already did that when he said "Normally I despise driving German stuff on principle. Nazis during this period after all." If he didn't want to derail the thread, he shouldn't have said this in the first place. True. Apologies to Skramjet for that. I was gonna do a mini-rant on why principle doesn't matter, but then again, I'd be on Naughtius' level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
719 [UFFA] SinqueScheiDeMona Beta Testers 3,784 posts 5,102 battles Report post #22 Posted August 28, 2015 I can only hope the German DD line will be gunboats, but with flatter trajectory shells, higher chance of fire an more alpha damage in exchange for medium range torps and inferior AA. And a premium DD so that I can get my fix while I actually get some silver. I'd imagine something Dutch or Norwegian would make it as a premium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
627 Naughtius_Maximus Beta Testers 3,000 posts 4,522 battles Report post #23 Posted August 29, 2015 I heard USN DDs would get an anti aircraft buff. If you despise driving German stuff, you should hate driving Japanese stuff. What they did in china was every bit as bad as what the Nazis did in the death camps. And in German prisons, I believe 98% of western prisoners survived. In Japanese prisons I believe it was 76% ***** Also the AA buff is superficial to the problems of USN DDs, which goes right back to gunships that really have no gun. lower shell sizes have even lower dps, even lower fire chance, and lower range but faster flight time =/ That really doesn't explain the flight times between the outrageous USN DDs and the more reasonable Gremy. [content moderated - non constructive/inappropriate]- Yshoneist 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #24 Posted August 29, 2015 ***** How many threads about German and Soviet ships have you derailed with this attitude? Instead of derailing a thread, breaking forum rules, and annoying everyone, how about contributing to the topic? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
719 [UFFA] SinqueScheiDeMona Beta Testers 3,784 posts 5,102 battles Report post #25 Posted August 29, 2015 @legion121 Gremy is based off Italian design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
