3,407 Compassghost Supertest Coordinator 7,223 posts 14,454 battles Report post #1 Posted August 28, 2015 does anyone familiar with German paper ship history know what these ships possibly correspond to? We know that Admiral Hipper existed but beyond that I have a horrible background regarding German ship design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 [NFC] FierceTomato Beta Testers 330 posts Report post #2 Posted August 28, 2015 I too am wondering this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #3 Posted August 28, 2015 Possibly the Deutschland and P classes, but I really hope that is far from the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
531 Demon93IT Alpha Tester 1,879 posts 21 battles Report post #4 Posted August 28, 2015 Most likely paper projects which were then renamed by WG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69 Crocmeister Beta Testers 219 posts 2,787 battles Report post #5 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Some simple Google and wiki searching, yes I know it's not the best source but I'm lazy today, came up with a few things. The SMS Hindenburg was a Derfflinger class battlecruiser that participated in WWI and saw no major action before being interned in Scapa Flow and then was scuttled in 1919. The Roon brought up a couple results as a class consisting of a pair of pre-WWI armored cruisers. One sank after striking a German mine and the lead ship, the Roon, survived the war. Apparently it was planned to convert the Roon into a seaplane tender but they just decided to scrap her. Edited August 28, 2015 by Crocmeister Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,455 [FOXEH] DoomStomper Beta Testers 3,985 posts 2,373 battles Report post #6 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Most likely paper projects which were then renamed by WG Perhaps the Hindenburg is a code name for a German CV? Might make sense considering the Graf Zeppelin... Edit: Nevermind, didn't see the above post. Edited August 28, 2015 by DoomStomper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,407 Compassghost Supertest Coordinator 7,223 posts 14,454 battles Report post #7 Posted August 28, 2015 Some simple Google and wiki searching, yes I know it's not the best source but I'm lazy today, came up with a few things. The SMS Hindenburg was a Derfflinger class battlecruiser that participated in WWI and saw no major action before being interned in Scapa Flow and then was scuttled in 1919. The Roon brought up a couple results as a class consisting of a pair of pre-WWI armored cruisers. One sank after striking a German mine and the lead ship, the Roon, survived the war. Apparently it was planned to convert the Roon into a seaplane tender but they just decided to scrap her. Neither of those ships is in any shape to be a T9 or T10 cruiser succeeding the AdHip. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,280 [CD47] Moksie Alpha Tester 11,714 posts 25,094 battles Report post #8 Posted August 28, 2015 H class, the cancelled Z plan super battleships. Ersatz Hindenburg http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/8452-april-5-focus-roon-class-armored-cruisers/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #9 Posted August 28, 2015 Some simple Google and wiki searching, yes I know it's not the best source but I'm lazy today, came up with a few things. The SMS Hindenburg was a Derfflinger class battlecruiser that participated in WWI and saw no major action before being interned in Scapa Flow and then was scuttled in 1919. The Roon brought up a couple results as a class consisting of a pair of pre-WWI armored cruisers. One sank after striking a German mine and the lead ship, the Roon, survived the war. Apparently it was planned to convert the Roon into a seaplane tender but they just decided to scrap her. Some links: Hindenburg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Hindenburg Roon Class Armored CAs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roon-class_cruiser You had too much to drink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
113 Rangestalker Beta Testers 462 posts 6,275 battles Report post #10 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Z.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-class_battleship_proposals Here you go. Edited August 28, 2015 by Rangestalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
129 Tricericon Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 734 posts 2,784 battles Report post #11 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Some simple Google and wiki searching, yes I know it's not the best source but I'm lazy today, came up with a few things. The SMS Hindenburg was a Derfflinger class battlecruiser that participated in WWI and saw no major action before being interned in Scapa Flow and then was scuttled in 1919. The Roon brought up a couple results as a class consisting of a pair of pre-WWI armored cruisers. One sank after striking a German mine and the lead ship, the Roon, survived the war. Apparently it was planned to convert the Roon into a seaplane tender but they just decided to scrap her. The historical German ships of WW2 re-used WW1 names. In this case, WG is using the names of some WW1 ships (the ones you astutely found) that were neither (1) class ships (so the name won't be used in game at low tiers) nor (2) used for historical WW2 ships for WW2 era paper projects. What OP is asking is if we know what paper designs those names are being used for. The answer is almost certainly no. There is no way for even someone well versed in German design projects to tell which paper designs are associated with which arbitrary name. Edited August 28, 2015 by Tricericon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69 Crocmeister Beta Testers 219 posts 2,787 battles Report post #12 Posted August 28, 2015 You had too much to drink. More like too little sleep! Oh, don't answer questions with only 4 hours of good sleep under your belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,407 Compassghost Supertest Coordinator 7,223 posts 14,454 battles Report post #13 Posted August 28, 2015 They are cruisers, not battleships. I think we should start over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
129 Tricericon Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 734 posts 2,784 battles Report post #14 Posted August 28, 2015 H class, the cancelled Z plan super battleships. Ersatz Hindenburg The tree lists Hindenburg as a tier 10 heavy cruiser. Clearly, adhering to wargame convention and assigning Hindenburg to the H-class would have made too much sense for WG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,694 [FOXEH] BladedPheonix Alpha Tester 6,886 posts 22,714 battles Report post #15 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) does anyone familiar with German paper ship history know what these ships possibly correspond to? We know that Admiral Hipper existed but beyond that I have a horrible background regarding German ship design. Roon I believe was a ww1 battle cruiser design for the Austrian navy, it was canceled along with the Heerzog class BBs due to war coming to an end. Hinden burg was supposed to be a "super carrier" roughly around twice the size of the graf zeplin. this ship was also canceled due to failures in the German kriegs marine and the naval staff switching to more U-boat tactics over surface vessel tactics/plans. Edited August 28, 2015 by BladedPheonix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 [NFC] FierceTomato Beta Testers 330 posts Report post #16 Posted August 28, 2015 Godamn it can any of you people connect the dots that this will be the tier 10 Cruiser. OBVIOUSLY it wont be the WW1 designs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,455 [FOXEH] DoomStomper Beta Testers 3,985 posts 2,373 battles Report post #17 Posted August 28, 2015 Godamn it can any of you people connect the dots that this will be the tier 10 Cruiser. OBVIOUSLY it wont be the WW1 designs The first post didn't give us anything more than names, so many weren't sure what it was referring to. The image in #13 cleared that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 [NFC] FierceTomato Beta Testers 330 posts Report post #18 Posted August 28, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-class_cruiser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-class_cruiser_%28Germany%29 This is all I found that would make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #19 Posted August 28, 2015 More like too little sleep! Oh, don't answer questions with only 4 hours of good sleep under your belt. lolyes About H39/H41, even though it likely would have been named "Hindenburg", just keep it simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 [NFC] FierceTomato Beta Testers 330 posts Report post #20 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) That's what the P class would of looked like, since the wiki page I posted didn't have a picture. Edited August 28, 2015 by FierceTomato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,361 RedBear87 Alpha Tester 7,898 posts 27 battles Report post #21 Posted August 28, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-class_cruiser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-class_cruiser_%28Germany%29 This is all I found that would make sense. D and P class are unlikely, the tree would certainly include the Deutschland class if they were to be the ships people are looking for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 [NFC] FierceTomato Beta Testers 330 posts Report post #22 Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) D and P class are unlikely, the tree would certainly include the Deutschland class if they were to be the ships people are looking for. Deutschland class has already been confirmed to be too slow to be a high tier German cruiser, and will simply be a low tier BB. Its on one of the Q+A's Not sure why you think the D and P class are unlikely seeing as how they fit perfectly into the tier 9-10 categories. Their ridiculous firepower is countered by their low AA capacity. Edited August 28, 2015 by FierceTomato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,407 Compassghost Supertest Coordinator 7,223 posts 14,454 battles Report post #23 Posted August 28, 2015 Not sure if I want anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
531 Demon93IT Alpha Tester 1,879 posts 21 battles Report post #24 Posted August 28, 2015 Deutschland class has already been confirmed to be too slow to be a high tier German cruiser, and will simply be a low tier BB. Its on one of the Q+A's Not sure why you think the D and P class are unlikely seeing as how they fit perfectly into the tier 9-10 categories. Their ridiculous firepower is countered by their low AA capacity. A 10000 ton BB? She wouldn't work since proper BCs would roflstomp her in no time 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2 srmalloy Members 11 posts 434 battles Report post #25 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) The Ersatz Yorck wasn't completed far enough to tow the hull out and sink it; it had to be broken up in place. The design, though, was bigger than the Admiral Hipper, which makes it problematic in the tree, with both the O- and P-class cruisers still being smaller than it. I suspect all three of Yorck, Roon, and Hindenburg are all going to be pretty much paper designs pulled out of some naval archive of theoretical cruisers. Edited September 25, 2015 by srmalloy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
