Guys... the Tier 8 German Battleship

[AirshipCanon]

Is going to be critically vulnerable to having its Steering Gears destroyed.

[BrianDavion]

Is going to be critically vulnerable to having its Steering Gears destroyed.

 

your source? 

[HerrCommandant]

 

your source? 

 

We need proof like he said ^

Link or didn't happen.

[LifePilgrim]

Is going to be critically vulnerable to having its Steering Gears destroyed.

 

Every single ship is going to be vulnerable if its rudder is destroyed.

 

What happened to Bismarck was a fluke. A coincidence that a torpedo struck her at her stern.

[IronWolfV]

Considering it's the Tirpitz not the Bismarck, I consider this a troll thread.

 

7/10

[Grisbane]

Considering it's the Tirpitz not the Bismarck, I consider this a troll thread.

 

7/10

 

note he didn't say premium..  still a troll thread, but moderately successful...    7.5/10

[IronWolfV]

 

note he didn't say premium..  still a troll thread, but moderately successful...    7.5/10

 

Got me there.

[Zodiac_A17]

 

Got me there.

 

11/10 IGN would troll again.

[IronWolfV]

 

11/10 IGN would troll again.

 

Shots fired, low blow. Down for count.

[Hans_Von_Lohman]

 

your source? 

 

History books.  You guys don't know your KMS Bismark history on how the real ship was defeated?

[Killer1941]

Taiho also sinks from 1 torpedo, players that shoot Hood will have increase chance of starting fires and Kitakami can ram friendlies. 

 

[Grisbane]

 

History books.  You guys don't know your KMS Bismark history on how the real ship was defeated?

 

^this of course, we all know how much WG is strict to historical accuracy..  after all, how else would the WT E-100 make it into WoT?

[Hans_Von_Lohman]

 

^this of course, we all know how much WG is strict to historical accuracy..  after all, how else would the WT E-100 make it into WoT?

 

Of course.  Wargamming is VERY well known for historical accuracy.

 

[TruePoindexter]

Is going to be critically vulnerable to having its Steering Gears destroyed.

 

Only when attacked by slow biplanes. 

[BBsquid]

 

Every single ship is going to be vulnerable if its rudder is destroyed.

 

What happened to Bismarck was a fluke. A coincidence that a torpedo struck her at her stern.

A fluke, much like the golden bb that smoked the Hood. Also, it was an engineering/design defect that IIRC the Germans were aware of. The single rudder/3 screw design made it difficult (in Bismarck's case impossible) to recover and maneuver in the event of an engineering casualty like that.

[Grisbane]

why does someone always have to poke in and ruin the fun of a troll thread with some kinds of "facts" and attempts at serious discussion?

[TacticalOni]

A fluke, much like the golden bb that smoked the Hood. Also, it was an engineering/design defect that IIRC the Germans were aware of. The single rudder/3 screw design made it difficult (in Bismarck's case impossible) to recover and maneuver in the event of an engineering casualty like that.

Agree with your post. 

But you get my +1 for knowing the term "golden BB"

[suleiman71]

Obvious troll thread. We're sorry a torpedo struck Bismarck's stern.

 

What motivates people to troll? I really never learned.

[Capt_JollyRoger]

More space Battleships!

[Thoddy]

Bismarck's...The single rudder/...

twin rudder with 6 m spacing. both were controlled independently

[Hans_Von_Lohman]

A fluke, much like the golden bb that smoked the Hood. Also, it was an engineering/design defect that IIRC the Germans were aware of. The single rudder/3 screw design made it difficult (in Bismarck's case impossible) to recover and maneuver in the event of an engineering casualty like that.

 

Bismark has two rudders.

[Mourneblade]

A fluke, much like the golden bb that smoked the Hood. Also, it was an engineering/design defect that IIRC the Germans were aware of. The single rudder/3 screw design made it difficult (in Bismarck's case impossible) to recover and maneuver in the event of an engineering casualty like that.

 

wow uhm totally wrong

 

First off Bismarck had two rudders...

Second off 4 screws would not perform any better in that situation that is pure MYTH... just research the USS Intrepid.... only in GLASS like waters can the screws be used to maneuver the ship... the seas that Bismarck had her last stand in were Storm like with huge swells..

 

No ship of its day could have taken a torpedo hit to the rudder area and fared any better... none.

 

 

Continue the troll guys sorry lol

[BBsquid]

twin rudder with 6 m spacing. both were controlled independently

Thanks, Thoddy...a quick peek at my still  as yet unbuilt Tamiya kit confirms this. Don't know where I got the single rudder from? Bayern?

[BBsquid]

 

Bismark has two rudders.

First oof, its Bismarck...with a c, sir....and correction noted.

 

wow uhm totally wrong

 

First off Bismarck had two rudders...

Second off 4 screws would not perform any better in that situation that is pure MYTH... just research the USS Intrepid.... only in GLASS like waters can the screws be used to maneuver the ship... the seas that Bismarck had her last stand in were Storm like with huge swells..

 

No ship of its day could have taken a torpedo hit to the rudder area and fared any better... none.

 

 

Continue the troll guys sorry lol

Easy there...don't get the undergarments all knotted up. While I don't have my copy handy at the moment, I know that Müllenheim-Rechberg stated in his book that with the rudder(s) locked amidships, Bismarck was almost impossible to steer even in the calm waters of the Baltic. IIRC it is also stated in his book that this was a known, or at least undesirable, design defect.

Have not researched the Intrepid yet, but from personal experience will argue against your assessment that ships can only be maneuvered with screws alone in calm water. We regularly practiced maneuvering with engines and screws alone when on the New Jersey to simulate rudder casualties. We would lock the rudders amidships and let them freewheel. Were we nimble? Hardly. But it worked. More often than not, we used varying engine/shaft rpm in conjunction with the rudders (all back on port, all ahead on starboard, or vice versa) to turn the ship faster. Now to be fair, this was in the Pacific, with moderate to "heavy" swells--more than likely not even beginning to approach the sea state the Bismarck found herself in in the North Atlantic. It can (and has been done) on more than glassy seas.

Compounding Bismarck's problem was the fact that her rudder was blown and locked in place due to a torpedo hit and was unable to be cleared. I'm not a naval architect or engineering type, but I'm gonna guess that  two, three, or four screws wouldn't matter if you have a recalcitrant rudder. During the Solomon's campaign, Portland was hit in the stern; the torpedo blew out a section of shell plating that acted as an improvised rudder. No amount of engine/screw/rudder input could keep her from circling helplessly (to port IIRC) until they were able to cut it free.

My whole point, and it was in jest to the OP's comment, was that Bismarck had a questionable rudder/screw arrangement, and the Germans themselves noted it before Operation Rhein. 

[paradat]

Well the Enemy will never see the back of my Tirpitz so......