18/08/15 SEA Server Avg Dmg Stats (Today)

[Cobraclutch]

Hello,

 

I wanted to post this for all interested. Here is the most recent data mine from SEA on average damage. This has much more sample size for higher tiers. 

 

I omitted CV's as I consider them the most damage class in the game. You can use the link to see how they are performing..

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150818t/average_ship.html

 

I transcribed the avg damage stats for this thread for discussion. 

 

Some trends:

 

1. DD's are performing at the bottom of the barrel in terms of damage, not surprising.

 

2. The damage gap between DD's and USN CA's has decreased. Does this mean that USN CA's are UP? Does this mean IJN CA's are OP?(Ibuki seems to be the only exception performing worse than expert IJN DD tier 9 captains)

 

3. BB's are  performing the most damage in tier 7-8-9-10 out of any surface ships. It is without a doubt the strong surface combat ship in the game. BB's are essentially worth 2x ships(CA or DD's) in damage.

 

4. The performance gap between a expert DD player and an average DD player is the smallest out of all classes(Except Kagero), basically highlighting what most expert DD pilot have been stating. That you can only go so far in a DD on skill. (The same trend seems to be occurring in CA's)

 

4.1 To add to that, the performance gap between Expert BB players and average BB players is very large. This trend makes me believe that they expert BB pilots will definately be the most sought after ship in higher tiers, and that they're is a large amount of average BB players that need to l2p. 

 

I believe it is relevant to bring this topic up again due to the sample sizes being much larger then before.

 

 

Average Damage SEA Stats 18/08/2015

 

Average Player          DD       BB           CA                                     Top 10%                  DD          BB           CA

USN                                                                                             USN

Tier 10                   43 805   73 159   49 804                                   Tier 10                   54 828   98 719   60 221

Tier 9                     31 966   67 892   32 131                                   Tier 9                     44 781   85 389   39 737

Tier 8                     21 925   49 741   29 839                                   Tier 8                     26 771   61 961   35 738

Tier 7                     18 047   34 490   24 904                                   Tier 7                     23 969   43 854   33 750

 

 

 

Average Player           DD       BB           CA                                    Top 10%                  DD          BB           CA

IJN                                                                                               IJN

Tier 10                   49 483   84 491   67 036                                   Tier 10                   59 705   110 937  81 259

Tier 9                     37 465   49 646   40 648                                   Tier 9                     53 551   72 336     49 691

Tier 8                     24 842   47 148   44 528                                   Tier 8                     32 696   64 178     54 913

Tier 7                     19 692   38 474   36 370                                   Tier 7                     23 423   52 138     43 445

 

[suleiman71]

Interesting find.

 

The lower numbers for USN CL/CAs could partially be the result of many new players grinding down that line with the belief they are OP, which none are. 

[Carrier_Ikoma]

Thanks for sharing.

 

The original stats sometimes only had 1 or 2 players in the top tiers, which basically isn't statistically relevant at all. It's nice to see with more data.

edit: nevermind about the link, I'm blind apparently

[MikeLapTrap]

bring it the CV too, might as well update all the stats.

also do far IJN>USN at T10 for all 3 types

 

midway does 20 k more damage than Haku on average for top 10%

[BGrey]

How is that cruiser damage so low, I find it disturbing that I have more average damage in a St Louis than the top 10% of players average in t7-9 cruisers.

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

Interesting find.

 

The lower numbers for USN CL/CAs could partially be the result of many new players grinding down that line with the belief they are OP, which none are. 

 

i think its more because USN is more gun focused with AA

while IJN has torps which do massive alpha.

 

so IJN cruisers do better vs BBs 

and USN do better vs cruisers and DDs. which have less hp

[Carrier_Ikoma]

bring it the CV too, might as well update all the stats.

 

also do far IJN>USN at T10 for all 3 types

 

For average players, the Midway is doing better than the Hakuryu. For the top 10% players, there is not enough data to be statistically relevant at tier X, but the Midway leads the Haku by an even larger margin.

[Cobraclutch]

So we are looking at a  minimum 100+ game sample size per expert captain now, except expert gearing players.  

 

As for average player, the minimum games played is now 1000, except for average gearing players at 400 gp.

 

As for the CV stats, they are in the link. I wanted to highlight the performance of surface combat ships, as IMO CV's are not falling in that category..

 

Another thing I did not highlight in the OP.. Is that higher tier USN DD's are the least played class in the game, by a huge margin. (411 vs 2731  Tier 10 USN vs Tier 10 IJN) This trend continues all the way down the line..

[MikeLapTrap]

 

For average players, the Midway is doing better than the Hakuryu. For the top 10% players, there is not enough data to be statistically relevant at tier X, but the Midway leads the Haku by an even larger margin.

at the start of OBT I said midway does more damage, but ppl called me a liar and said I went IJN cuz they are OP. but did I lie? nope the data proves it

[Fog_Destroyer_Akizuki]

So according to that there were about 100 ppl in the Zao and the top 10 Average xp was like 2100 ish....so with my Average 2,995 that prolly puts me in top 5 Zao or better.  wheee.  

[Carrier_Ikoma]

at the start of OBT I said midway does more damage, but ppl called me a liar and said I went IJN cuz they are OP. but did I lie? nope the data proves it

 

Well, it's the forums... for even the most ridiculous fence, there's people on both sides of it. But I think anyone that could even just compare what the ships have would see the Midway is very powerful.

 

USN CVs are still escaping the nerf bat being liberally applied to IJN CVs, though...

[byronicasian]

Why is it always SEA stats? Do no other region post this info? 

[Cobraclutch]

Why is it always SEA stats? Do no other region post this info? 

 

Wish i could tell you why.. Not sure honestly..

[NeutralState]

Hello,

 

I wanted to post this for all interested. Here is the most recent data mine from SEA on average damage. This has much more sample size for higher tiers. 

 

I omitted CV's as I consider them the most damage class in the game. You can use the link to see how they are performing..

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150818t/average_ship.html

 

I transcribed the avg damage stats for this thread for discussion. 

 

Some trends:

 

1. DD's are performing at the bottom of the barrel in terms of damage, not surprising.

 

2. The damage gap between DD's and USN CA's has decreased. Does this mean that USN CA's are UP? Does this mean IJN CA's are OP?(Ibuki seems to be the only exception performing worse than expert IJN DD tier 9 captains)

 

3. BB's are  performing the most damage in tier 7-8-9-10 out of any surface ships. It is without a doubt the strong surface combat ship in the game. BB's are essentially worth 2x ships(CA or DD's) in damage.

 

4. The performance gap between a expert DD player and an average DD player is the smallest out of all classes(Except Kagero), basically highlighting what most expert DD pilot have been stating. That you can only go so far in a DD on skill. (The same trend seems to be occurring in CA's)

 

4.1 To add to that, the performance gap between Expert BB players and average BB players is very large. This trend makes me believe that they expert BB pilots will definately be the most sought after ship in higher tiers, and that they're is a large amount of average BB players that need to l2p. 

 

I believe it is relevant to bring this topic up again due to the sample sizes being much larger then before.

 

 

Average Damage SEA Stats 18/08/2015

 

Average Player          DD       BB           CA                                     Top 10%                  DD          BB           CA

USN                                                                                             USN

Tier 10                   43 805   73 159   49 804                                   Tier 10                   54 828   98 719   60 221

Tier 9                     31 966   67 892   32 131                                   Tier 9                     44 781   85 389   39 737

Tier 8                     21 925   49 741   29 839                                   Tier 8                     26 771   61 961   35 738

Tier 7                     18 047   34 490   24 904                                   Tier 7                     23 969   43 854   33 750

 

 

 

Average Player           DD       BB           CA                                    Top 10%                  DD          BB           CA

IJN                                                                                               IJN

Tier 10                   49 483   84 491   67 036                                   Tier 10                   59 705   110 937  81 259

Tier 9                     37 465   49 646   40 648                                   Tier 9                     53 551   72 336     49 691

Tier 8                     24 842   47 148   44 528                                   Tier 8                     32 696   64 178     54 913

Tier 7                     19 692   38 474   36 370                                   Tier 7                     23 423   52 138     43 445

 

 

Wow my Mutsuki does almost twice the average damage per game. Guess I'm doing something right.

[Mourneblade]

at the start of OBT I said midway does more damage, but ppl called me a liar and said I went IJN cuz they are OP. but did I lie? nope the data proves it

 

the Haku still wins more .... that being said the gap has closed between the t9-10 usn and IJN.... still though CVs... especially IJN CVs dominate at all tiers.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

Why is it always SEA stats? Do no other region post this info? 

 

Well, we don't have the API for easy harvesting of the data yet. It could be possible to harvest it with a web crawler type thingy but I think you need to be logged in to view player profiles. And... there's been no WG released stats in our region.

 

I'm not sure if the SEA stats come from WG or some independent source.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

 

the Haku still wins more .... that being said the gap has closed between the t9-10 usn and IJN.... still though CVs... especially IJN CVs dominate at all tiers.

 

I wonder if they will have a way to isolate pre and post 4.1 data, once the patch goes live..?

[Mourneblade]

 

I wonder if they will have a way to isolate pre and post 4.1 data, once the patch goes live..?

 

you can compare pre and post and see a trend since you can look at block stats for certain dates on that website. For example 8/5 7/28 and 7/19 are still on the site.

[Cobraclutch]

 

Wow my Mutsuki does almost twice the average damage per game. Guess I'm doing something right.

 

Averaging 10k more damage per game than expert Mutsuki players. Keep up the good work.  Personally I have been doing about 27.6k avg in my benson which slots me right above the avg expert player damage... Which i find shocking cause lately I have been stinking it up..

[DownhillDino]

You do have to remember this is another server, who knows where you place in your own. Or against other ones. Always hear the Asian server has an odd play style so I suppose their stats reflect that. 

[Misniso]

 

I wonder if they will have a way to isolate pre and post 4.1 data, once the patch goes live..?

 

The statistics should be easy to calculate.  If you have the number of games and average damage.  You can calculate total damage.  Once 4.1 goes live, you obtain the new number of games and total damage.  Subtract.  And this should give you the 4.1 numbers.  Use these to compute the new averages.

 

Something like that.  Just need to take a screen capture of the current statistics.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

 

you can compare pre and post and see a trend since you can look at block stats for certain dates on that website. For example 8/5 7/28 and 7/19 are still on the site.

 

Well... that doesn't actually help that much unless it doesn't treat the data as cumulative.

 

Like if the next stat scrape includes battles from both before and after 4.1, the averages will be inflated. Only if it specifically excludes data before a certain date will it be useful. (Not expecting USN CVs to change though.)

 

 

The statistics should be easy to calculate.  If you have the number of games and average damage.  You can calculate total damage.  Once 4.1 goes live, you obtain the new number of games and total damage.  Subtract.  And this should give you the 4.1 numbers.

 

Something like that.  Just need to take a screen capture of the current statistics.

 

 

Good idea^^

[NeutralState]

 

Averaging 10k more damage per game than expert Mutsuki players. Keep up the good work.  Personally I have been doing about 27.6k avg in my benson which slots me right above the avg expert player damage... Which i find shocking cause lately I have been stinking it up..

 

A good torp run a game is all you need. A BB in Mutsuki's MM tier can have 3-60 k HP easy, sink 1 is enough.

[Mourneblade]

 

Well... that doesn't actually help that much unless it doesn't treat the data as cumulative.

 

Like if the next stat scrape includes battles from both before and after 4.1, the averages will be inflated. Only if it specifically excludes data before a certain date will it be useful. (Not expecting USN CVs to change though.)

 

 

 

Good idea^^

 

its cumulative... but you can do the math... its annoying, but can be done...

[MikeLapTrap]

 

Well, it's the forums... for even the most ridiculous fence, there's people on both sides of it. But I think anyone that could even just compare what the ships have would see the Midway is very powerful.

 

USN CVs are still escaping the nerf bat being liberally applied to IJN CVs, though...

not true, they are losing the fighter on essex and midway strike loadouts.