Can anyone identify these warships?

[Wolcott]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My previous threads:

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/11842-can-you-identify-these-warships/

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/6734-help-identifying-this-imperial-russian-navy-warship/

[Sirus_Patton]

Part of me wants to say the three-stacker farthest right in the top image is Evstafi-class pre-dreadnought battleship, but it's missing a forward mast.

[chaplainDMK]

Second one looks like the Bayan class cruiser Admiral Makarov, though I cant really make out any detail on her hull, apart from the placement of two anchors which seemed to be pretty characteristic of the Bayan class. 

[Azzagod]

Q3 how did you get pictures taken by the Russian imperial family from 1908.

[Sirus_Patton]

Okay, lead ship in the top image is Tsesarevich, a pre-dreadnought battleship launched in 1901.  Everything that can be seen matches, from distance between the stacks to distance between stacks and masts and even the step-down in the rear.

[RedBear87]

The second one is easy enough, it's the armoured cruiser Admiral Makarov, the single mast between the funnels made her unique in the Russian navy until her 1912-1913 refit.

[Wolcott]

I found them while browsing an online collection of Romanov photo albums. Thanks for the help guys. I've added a few more to my OP.

[RedBear87]

You're welcome. The fifth picture looks to me like the battleship Panteleimon, former Potemkin.

EDIT: I'm referring to the ship more or less in the centre of the picture, of course.

[Wolcott]

Sorry for bumping this, but I've found another ship which needs identifying please.

 

 

 

[RedBear87]

No problem at all. This picture is less obscure, it's the destroyer Derzky, going by the identification in Morskaya Kampaniya No.8/2008 (p.50) the destroyer tied on her port side is the sister Bespokoiny, while the merchant hull in the background is the repair ship Kronstadt.  You could have already noticed it, but besides Nicholas II there's also Alexei in this picture, he's the lad in sailor dress standing on the base of the aftmost 102mm gun mount. Date and location should be 26 May 1916, Sevastopol.

[Wolcott]

I honestly didn't notice the tsar's son. You have sharp eyes! Now that I know what the ship is I'm suddenly interested in the tier 3 Derzki which I assume is the same destroyer in the photo (will compare the stern to see if the in-game model is accurate). Just hope it flies the St Andrew flag and not the Soviet one. Here's a +1 for the help btw. =)

[RedBear87]

It regrets me to say that it was the magazine I mentioned before, Morskaya Kampaniya, that mentioned the info about Alexei, my eyes aren't that good. Flag-wise I think you should be fine, if they didn't modify the client since that screenshot. Certainly the Novik and her cousins were really interesting destroyers in their days.

[Wolcott]

Honestly, I'm only interested in this destroyer because the imperial family was on it. Was researching Russian warships on wikipedia when I heard that a Soviet tree was coming before the British, but instead I ended up reading about the Romanovs. I know they also set foot on the HMS Lion and Empress Maria, both of which are still missing from the game. The Derzki will suffice for now, but if they ever change the flag then I'll just sell it. They gave the Aurora the Soviet ensign at one point during beta before restoring the St Andrew flag (clearly a political rift in the WG office).

[Wolcott]

Found a couple more. Both images are pretty huge which I hope will help.

 

 

 

 

 

[RedBear87]

Unfortunately I can only identify the class for most ships, I hope it still helps. Both pictures are clearly taken at Sevastopol, apparently the first is dated 26 May 1912, while the second is from 1914.

From right to left there's a Boykiy class torpedo boat, the battleship Dvenadsat Apostolov, two small boats that I can't identify and an Ekaterina II class battleship, the battleship appears to be disarmed so it's probably either Ekaterina II herself or Chesma, both had been just stricken on 14 August 1907 and respectively renamed as Stricken Vessel Nr. 3 and Stricken Vessel Nr. 4 on 22 April 1912. Artillery trials against those battleships made the Russians aware of long range, plunging, fire years before Jutland, this was reflected in the abnormal, by contemporary standards, thickness of the turrets' roofs in Zarist dreadnoughts.

Again from right to left, I can't tell apart the two ships on the right in the background, the destroyer on the foreground is a Leitenant Shestakov class, then there's another Ekaterina II class battleship, either Sinop or Georgiy Pobedonosets, past the promontory there's the cruiser Pamiat Merkuria.

[Wolcott]

Thanks again. Pity the Leitenant Shestakov is not in the upcoming destroyer branch. The wiki doesn't appear to classify Ekaterina II as a pre-dreadnought, just battleship. Could she appear in WoWS?

[RedBear87]

Thanks again. Pity the Leitenant Shestakov is not in the upcoming destroyer branch. The wiki doesn't appear to classify Ekaterina II as a pre-dreadnought, just battleship. Could she appear in WoWS?

You're welcome. Unfortunately both are rather difficult, Leitenant Shestakov is killed by her speed, in the current trees even the tier II destroyers are turbine driven 30+ knots vessels, while Ekaterina II was an example of the so called barbette ship, she's effectively more obsolete than late pre-dreadnoughts like Mikasa. In terms of pre-dreadnoughts I think the Black Sea Fleet could offer the Evstafi or the Ioann Zlatoust as tier II premium battleships, albeit people were apparently frustrated by Mikasa in the EU server.

[1Sherman]

You're welcome. The fifth picture looks to me like the battleship Panteleimon, former Potemkin.

EDIT: I'm referring to the ship more or less in the centre of the picture, of course.

OK, that is awesome. The inspiration for what is widely considered to be the best propaganda movie ever made.

[Wolcott]

Happy new year everyone. I'm back with another image.

 

I'm most curious about the warship on the right.

Original caption: The Russian imperial yacht named Standard, on which King Edward VII and Tsar Nicholas II met. 10th June 1908.

 

[RedBear87]

Happy new year everyone. I'm back with another image.

 

I'm most curious about the warship on the right.

Original caption: The Russian imperial yacht named Standard, on which King Edward VII and Tsar Nicholas II met. 10th June 1908.

Happy New Year. This was a bit tricky, the ship on the right should be the armoured cruiser Rossia (Россия).

http://starosti.ru/archive.php?y=1908&m=06&d=09

РЕВЕЛЬ, 26, V. В расцвеченном флагами городе в ожидании предстоящего свидания Монархов царит необычайное оживление. Гостиницы переполнены, гавань готовится принять праздничное убранство, сотни флагов развеваются на коммерческих судах. На рейде военных судов пока нет. Броненосец «Александр II» и крейсер «Россия» ушли в Балтийский порт. В гавани четыре миноносца. Погода великолепная.

That cruiser and Gromoboi (which has quite peculiar bow lines) were supposedly under refit between 1906 and 1909, but evidently the lengthy refit was not done in one step. Like I mentioned before Admiral Makarov initially had only one single mast, while the other two Bayan class cruisers were still under construction at the time. This left me a little perplex initially since I couldn't think of other cruisers with four funnels and two masts.

[Wolcott]

Almost certain it was British judging by what appears to be a RN ensign on the stern. But these Russian cruisers are equally interesting. Hope to see Rossia in WoWS soon (if that really is her in the photo). Thanks again. =)

[RedBear87]

Almost certain it was British judging by what appears to be a RN ensign on the stern. But these Russian cruisers are equally interesting. Hope to see Rossia in WoWS soon (if that really is her in the photo). Thanks again. =)

You're welcome. I'm not sure about the details, it doesn't seem to match current USN practice, but I think they're flying the White Ensign and the Union Jack to honour the British monarch.

[Wolcott]

More photos of unidentified ships. They were taken on different occasions so they can't all be the same ship.

 

 

 

Pretty sure this second photo is a warship, since there appears to be a gun barrel on the top right corner.

 

 

[RedBear87]

They're kind of difficult, given the close-ups. The second one in particular is pretty much impossible for me, this website identifies it as Imperatritsa Ekaterina Velikaya, the Imperatritsa Mariya class dreadnought, but I've to take it at face value. The first and third ones are Evstafi and they should have been taken during the same occasion according to this collection, the 29 January 1915 review of the Black Sea Fleet. I'm fairly confident about the identification of those two, both were taken at the stern, which is pretty common, you can compare them against this photo:

Note in particular the disposition of the secondary and tertiary armament for the first picture and the superstructure above the turret for the third one.

[Wolcott]

Too bad the 2nd photo is a reproduction, otherwise we could read the cyrillic written on the sailors' caps, which I believe indicates the name of the ship they're serving on. Thanks for the help!