I feel driven towards insanity

[Peregrinas]

Tier 8 AA needs to be nerfed. Seriously. Why does a lone Amagi get to shoot down all of my bombers on their approach? They are not lingering. They are coming in straight. And I lose practically all of them.

 

AA is making me so furious. Makes me want to rage, rage, rage. I cannot hit anything with my Lexington that's equal tier. It's like taking a BB and having all of your shots being deflected by a magical forcefield.

 

I really cannot take this anymore. It's driving me insane. First, every single cruiser in every game is a no-fly zone due to the stupid panic mechanic (in addition to the stupidly high increase in AA DPS which is as good as a whole fighter squadron). Then there are equal tier lone BBs that are fully capable of killing my entire strike group. I can't [edited]overwhelm AA like IJN CVs do. My single TB group is completely vulnerable to the panic mechanic. My single TB group means that the enemy only needs to focus fire 6 aircraft (everyone ignores DBs, but they are so stupidly useless it's not even funny. I had a perfect manual drop on a stationary cruiser; out of the 5 bombers, I got zero damage, albeit with one critical hit. I don't even want to mention how frequently I get one or two hits from a perfect manual drop on a BB). And they go down before I can even drop.

 

Where's the f-ing balance in all of this? Why should any ship be completely immune to the attacks of another ship? Because that's how I feel right now. Every single equal tier ship is immune to my Lexington. Higher tier ships are 100% no-fly zones. The only reason why my average stats are OK is because I still get lots of games where I get to seal club tier 6 and 5 BBs. Otherwise in a tier 7-10 game, I frequently walk out of those games with less than 5 torpedo hits and a laughable 200-300 xp.

 

I still have 90k xp more to go for the Essex, but oh my god is it going to be horrible. I've got to say, Lexington is by far the worst USN CV I've played with so far. It's even worse than the Bogue. Yes. I just said that. Worse than the Bogue.

 

Only reason I keep going with this sh*t is because I like the different playstyle CVs offer compared to the other ships, and the Midway is the #1 ship on my list in WoWs, with the Iowa at #2 (but first I have to get through the awful Colorado...).

[sushimaster]

You want insanity? play a DD

 

 

at high tier

[IronWolfV]

Silly question what carrier/tier are you trying to attack an Amagi with. If you say 7 and below, that's your problem.

[Peregrinas]

Silly question what carrier/tier are you trying to attack an Amagi with. If you day 7 and below, that's your problem.

 

Lexington...

[IronWolfV]

 

Lexington...

 

That would be your problem. AA vs planes is balanced by tier, 1 tier up you're floating targets, go against tier 6 ships, they can barely scratch the paint.

 

A tier 8 ship has more than enough DPS to knock your planes out of the sky without breaking a sweat.

 

More than just a carrier vs carrier imbalance I'm afraid.

[Peregrinas]

You want insanity? play a DD

 

 

at high tier

 

Ehh at least at high tier you get to spam 15-23km range torps. I see so many high tier DDs get unintentional kills... Just launch torpedoes at a group and you're likely to hit an unintended target, from what I've been able to observe from my Colorado and Lexington games.

[Peregrinas]

 

That would be your problem. AA vs planes is balanced by tier, 1 tier up you're floating targets, go against tier 6 ships, they can barely scratch the paint.

 

A tier 8 ship has more than enough DPS to knock your planes out of the sky without breaking a sweat.

 

More than just a carrier vs carrier imbalance I'm afraid.

 

Except that the Amagi is an equal tier ship. And an IJN one at that. So I suppose it leads me to the question: why should I have to target lower tier ships (which only further worsens the balance and probably adds to the complaints of having lower tier AA against a higher tier CV)? Every other ship is perfectly capable of engaging +/-2 tiers, even +3 tiers in some rare cases (like the one time I got 4 citadels on a Montana with my Colorado because I was about 8km off of its broadside).

[IronWolfV]

 

Except that the Amagi is an equal tier ship. And an IJN one at that. So I suppose it leads me to the question: why should I have to target lower tier ships (which only further worsens the balance and probably adds to the complaints of having lower tier AA against a higher tier CV)? Every other ship is perfectly capable of engaging +/-2 tiers, even +3 tiers in some rare cases (like the one time I got 4 citadels on a Montana with my Colorado because I was about 8km off of its broadside).

 

Oh crap. I thought ranger. Oops.  Far as the Amagi, was there anything close by him that could of helped? He also could of had AA skills? Bunch of things that can affect outcome.

[Dr_Venture]

You wanna make it in this game, pick off the weaker guys and work you're way in...when your team doesn't have to worry about the small frys nickle and diming for damage they can focus on the big nasties.

[Peregrinas]

 

Oh crap. I thought ranger. Oops.  Far as the Amagi, was there anything close by him that could of helped? He also could of had AA skills? Bunch of things that can affect outcome.

 

Best I can remember, there was only a New Mexico a few kilometers out. But I've had other cases where it truly was a lone Amagi and still had the exact same results.

 

And IMO, the game should be balanced with captain skills accounted for. Otherwise with all of the AA captain skills available, it's like taking a perfectly balanced RNG-reliant BB and then giving it a captain skill that gives it cruiser-like accuracy.

[Nerd2Core]

Your role as a carrier is as follows:
Scouting (Knowledge is power) > AA (Because fighters wreck other planes and can shut down other carriers) > Pick off/Harass vessels (You aren't out to sink ships, you are a fleet herder)

[Peregrinas]

You wanna make it in this game, pick off the weaker guys and work you're way in...when your team doesn't have to worry about the small frys nickle and diming for damage they can focus on the big nasties.

 

I see lots of issues with that technique, though. I've been in plenty of games where cruisers stick together with their BBs and I'm left with virtually no available targets. In this case, my team might as well be playing with one less player, due to my near uselessness. Oh but wait, I can scout and shoot down enemy aircraft. Fine, I'm worth half of a player. But in reality, a cruiser would fill my place much better. It can shoot down aircraft and panic them, while at the same time being able to shoot other ships.

 

When a certain playstyle relies on having individual targets separated from the rest of the group, that presents a problem.

[RobertViktor68]

Stop playing CVs...... problem solved (drops mic and walks off stage)

[Peregrinas]

Your role as a carrier is as follows:

Scouting (Knowledge is power) > AA (Because fighters wreck other planes and can shut down other carriers) > Pick off/Harass vessels (You aren't out to sink ships, you are a fleet herder)

 

In that case, like I just said in a reply, I'm worth half of a player. A cruiser can shoot down enemy aircraft just as effectively, but can actually shoot back and damage enemy ships.

 

Scouting and harassing doesn't win games. That makes me reliant on my team to win the game for me. And I'm sure most of us know how much we can rely on random people in Random Battles...

[Oliver_Clothes_Offenbed]

 

In that case, like I just said in a reply, I'm worth half of a player. A cruiser can shoot down enemy aircraft just as effectively, but can actually shoot back and damage enemy ships.

 

Scouting and harassing doesn't win games. That makes me reliant on my team to win the game for me. And I'm sure most of us know how much we can rely on random people in Random Battles...

 

Scouting and harassing doesn't win games. It helps your team win games. The game is very team-based. Since you have a Lexington already, I assume you probably know that somewhere but forgot due to all those hours watching IJN CVs rushing you and watching your planes get swatted down like flies by cruisers (Carriers all suffer from this). You're in a carrier... whoopty-doo... you ain't a one-man army and it should be that way for all ships. Unless there are clan wars, you MUST rely on your fellow team mates whether you like it or not and whether or not you know them does not matter (hence, "random battle"). 

[General_Yeo]

Tier 8 AA needs to be nerfed. Seriously. Why does a lone Amagi get to shoot down all of my bombers on their approach? They are not lingering. They are coming in straight. And I lose practically all of them.

 

AA is making me so furious. Makes me want to rage, rage, rage. I cannot hit anything with my Lexington that's equal tier. It's like taking a BB and having all of your shots being deflected by a magical forcefield.

 

I really cannot take this anymore. It's driving me insane. First, every single cruiser in every game is a no-fly zone due to the stupid panic mechanic (in addition to the stupidly high increase in AA DPS which is as good as a whole fighter squadron). Then there are equal tier lone BBs that are fully capable of killing my entire strike group. I can't [edited]overwhelm AA like IJN CVs do. My single TB group is completely vulnerable to the panic mechanic. My single TB group means that the enemy only needs to focus fire 6 aircraft (everyone ignores DBs, but they are so stupidly useless it's not even funny. I had a perfect manual drop on a stationary cruiser; out of the 5 bombers, I got zero damage, albeit with one critical hit. I don't even want to mention how frequently I get one or two hits from a perfect manual drop on a BB). And they go down before I can even drop.

 

Where's the f-ing balance in all of this? Why should any ship be completely immune to the attacks of another ship? Because that's how I feel right now. Every single equal tier ship is immune to my Lexington. Higher tier ships are 100% no-fly zones. The only reason why my average stats are OK is because I still get lots of games where I get to seal club tier 6 and 5 BBs. Otherwise in a tier 7-10 game, I frequently walk out of those games with less than 5 torpedo hits and a laughable 200-300 xp.

 

I still have 90k xp more to go for the Essex, but oh my god is it going to be horrible. I've got to say, Lexington is by far the worst USN CV I've played with so far. It's even worse than the Bogue. Yes. I just said that. Worse than the Bogue.

 

Only reason I keep going with this sh*t is because I like the different playstyle CVs offer compared to the other ships, and the Midway is the #1 ship on my list in WoWs, with the Iowa at #2 (but first I have to get through the awful Colorado...).

 

You spent far longer in the Amagi's AA range than you should've. The amagi has 8 127mm guns. They a sizeable chunk of damage and do not have the appearance of lots of AA flak. They have pretty decent range when coupled with a captain that has got at least 10 skill points. If the amagi was turning (which I'm sure it was) you might've spent far longer inside its AA range than you expected to. 

 

 

I see lots of issues with that technique, though. I've been in plenty of games where cruisers stick together with their BBs and I'm left with virtually no available targets. In this case, my team might as well be playing with one less player, due to my near uselessness. Oh but wait, I can scout and shoot down enemy aircraft. Fine, I'm worth half of a player. But in reality, a cruiser would fill my place much better. It can shoot down aircraft and panic them, while at the same time being able to shoot other ships.

 

When a certain playstyle relies on having individual targets separated from the rest of the group, that presents a problem.

 

Its not really as big of an issue as people think. You can drop torpedoes manually very close to the ball. You can also drop them so they sit in the water for awhile (maximum travel distance). They may not hit - but its enough to force the ball to break-up - allowing your team to deal some serious damage.

 

Too many CV's think its that they have to deal damage to be effective and blow a squadron trying to close-in manual drop. Torpedoes in the water is good enough.

[Nato101]

I've got to say, Lexington is by far the worst USN CV I've played with so far. It's even worse than the Bogue. Yes. I just said that. Worse than the Bogue.

 

Whilst I agree that they overbuffed AA (whilst totally smashing the effectiveness of DDs), particularly by giving everyone a hovering plane with a tractor beam, I'd say that the Lexington is just as GOOD as the bogue, if not better.

 

I'm going to have to say that you're going to have to adapt. Don't fly your groups in 1 by 1 towards BBs in order to maximise fire/flooding damage. Bunch them up and deal a death blow to a CL instead. Find a DD to strike at first, whilst your friendlies knock out AA modules on enemy ships.

 

Only played 5 games in the Lex some against a tier 9 CV, the captain is untrained, the TBs / hull / group loadout are stock. Only upgraded the bombers for the last match.

 

Lexington (5 games)

Damage caused 80,357.60

 

Shokaku (78 games / same tier)

Damage caused 86,258.83

 

Bogue (25 games / tier 5)

Damage caused 76,248.84

[KalashLyfe]

A CV player whining about AA? Please..

 

Go spam more torp bombers and stop the madness.

 

[LordCommanderMatthew]

you guys have insta kill manual drops do not complain please. Signed bb captain

[TetraethylLead]

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/44593-aa-needs-an-entire-rework/page__p__1113841

You've already made this thread and gotten spanked in the replies. Why bother making a second one? Unless of course your goal is to make CVs an instant delete button for all other ships

[Mystrl]

you guys have insta kill manual drops do not complain please. Signed bb captain

 

Ignoring the fact that even if every single torp did 100% damage and you hit all 6 (aka blind bb moving in a straight line alone) you wouldn't insta kill a bb.

 

To the op you must have missed something or miss judged the time. I don't think I've ever seen a lone bb take out 6 tbs on approach.

[soulsedge]

Tier 8 AA needs to be nerfed. Seriously. Why does a lone Amagi get to shoot down all of my bombers on their approach? They are not lingering. They are coming in straight. And I lose practically all of them.

 

AA is making me so furious. Makes me want to rage, rage, rage. I cannot hit anything with my Lexington that's equal tier. It's like taking a BB and having all of your shots being deflected by a magical forcefield.

 

I really cannot take this anymore. It's driving me insane. First, every single cruiser in every game is a no-fly zone due to the stupid panic mechanic (in addition to the stupidly high increase in AA DPS which is as good as a whole fighter squadron). Then there are equal tier lone BBs that are fully capable of killing my entire strike group. I can't [edited]overwhelm AA like IJN CVs do. My single TB group is completely vulnerable to the panic mechanic. My single TB group means that the enemy only needs to focus fire 6 aircraft (everyone ignores DBs, but they are so stupidly useless it's not even funny. I had a perfect manual drop on a stationary cruiser; out of the 5 bombers, I got zero damage, albeit with one critical hit. I don't even want to mention how frequently I get one or two hits from a perfect manual drop on a BB). And they go down before I can even drop.

 

Where's the f-ing balance in all of this? Why should any ship be completely immune to the attacks of another ship? Because that's how I feel right now. Every single equal tier ship is immune to my Lexington. Higher tier ships are 100% no-fly zones. The only reason why my average stats are OK is because I still get lots of games where I get to seal club tier 6 and 5 BBs. Otherwise in a tier 7-10 game, I frequently walk out of those games with less than 5 torpedo hits and a laughable 200-300 xp.

 

I still have 90k xp more to go for the Essex, but oh my god is it going to be horrible. I've got to say, Lexington is by far the worst USN CV I've played with so far. It's even worse than the Bogue. Yes. I just said that. Worse than the Bogue.

 

Only reason I keep going with this sh*t is because I like the different playstyle CVs offer compared to the other ships, and the Midway is the #1 ship on my list in WoWs, with the Iowa at #2 (but first I have to get through the awful Colorado...).

 

you kidding me?    DEAL WITH IT, LEARN TO PLAY,  DO THIS, DO THAT< BLAH BLAH BLAH.    All the crapyou f'ing CV players tell others to do.

 

Trust me,  other [edited]heads driving CV's have no issues hitting me in their planes.    Dropping at 0.7km away and flying away laughing after my AA in North carolina shoots one of em down.  And i'm specced for AA.

 

Absolutely ZERO, and i say again ZERO sympathy from me.   Please rage, like the rest of us and quit.   We dont need any more CV bottomdwellers in this game.   

 

yeah. im pretty bitter tonight.

[IronWolfV]

 

you kidding me?    DEAL WITH IT, LEARN TO PLAY,  DO THIS, DO THAT< BLAH BLAH BLAH.    All the crapyou f'ing CV players tell others to do.

 

Trust me,  other [edited]heads driving CV's have no issues hitting me in their planes.    Dropping at 0.7km away and flying away laughing after my AA in North carolina shoots one of em down.  And i'm specced for AA.

 

Absolutely ZERO, and i say again ZERO sympathy from me.   Please rage, like the rest of us and quit.   We dont need any more CV bottomdwellers in this game.   

 

Wow could you go any harder rage mode?

[soulsedge]

 

Ignoring the fact that even if every single torp did 100% damage and you hit all 6 (aka blind bb moving in a straight line alone) you wouldn't insta kill a bb.

 

To the op you must have missed something or miss judged the time. I don't think I've ever seen a lone bb take out 6 tbs on approach.

 

Nope,  your right.  It only puts you down to like 8,000 hp's from full.   With a double TB strike.  And thats only cause i turned well in advance at incoming planes, and managed to have a few not hit me.    

Which didn't matter.   a BB finished me off within 3 seconds after this, cause my repair wouldn't work fast enough.   But hey, at least i shot down 1 plane outta the 12 that attacked me, RIGHT?

 

[soulsedge]

dd being taken out.