36 [MOOK] SKOKAUCKAS Members 101 posts 10,815 battles Report post #1 Posted August 15, 2015 While one day playing the game it suddenly hit me that World of Warships got one detail wrong with the Japanese Tier...The Japanese Naval Flag! The designers and graphics developers did a great job on the modeling of the ships of the Japanese Navy...why not solidify that honor by correcting the Japanese Flag flown by the Japanese warships? The "Rising Sun" flag was the official Imperial Japanese Navy Flag during WW2 and was flown on all Japanese Naval units during the war. Since this is a Naval Combat Game, I see a correction is in order. If you look closely you will see the Japanese warships in the game flying the Japan's National Flag (Red Sun, White Background). This flag was not flown by the Japanese Navy. Only merchant and civilian vessels flew the standard flag. Warships of the IJN flew the "Rising Sun" Flag. I would like to see World of Warships correct the flag to make playing the Japanese more accurate and enjoyable. Take a look at the two flags and check the history of the IJN, you will see what I'm talking about. "Keep your Powder Day". Meade1151 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #2 Posted August 15, 2015 Oh my...this topic...I recall wargaming taking it because many were butt-hurt seeing that flag and complained heavily to take it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
374 DemonsofRazgriz Members 972 posts 822 battles Report post #3 Posted August 15, 2015 Blame censorship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #4 Posted August 15, 2015 Blame censorship Also that that is another reason why we won't see the flag without using mods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
233 [-CGK-] HerrCommandant Members 1,158 posts 858 battles Report post #5 Posted August 15, 2015 Also that that is another reason why we won't see the flag without using mods. Everyone these days and ages need something to cry or be butt hurt about... No matter how small it is to. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,461 Strike_Witch_Tomoko Banned 3,836 posts Report post #6 Posted August 15, 2015 While one day playing the game it suddenly hit me that World of Warships got one detail wrong with the Japanese Tier...The Japanese Naval Flag! The designers and graphics developers did a great job on the modeling of the ships of the Japanese Navy...why not solidify that honor by correcting the Japanese Flag flown by the Japanese warships? The "Rising Sun" flag was the official Imperial Japanese Navy Flag during WW2 and was flown on all Japanese Naval units during the war. Since this is a Naval Combat Game, I see a correction is in order. If you look closely you will see the Japanese warships in the game flying the Japan's National Flag (Red Sun, White Background). This flag was not flown by the Japanese Navy. Only merchant and civilian vessels flew the standard flag. Warships of the IJN flew the "Rising Sun" Flag. I would like to see World of Warships correct the flag to make playing the Japanese more accurate and enjoyable. Take a look at the two flags and check the history of the IJN, you will see what I'm talking about. "Keep your Powder Day". Meade1151 theres a mod to put it in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,705 redblurr Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 4,719 posts Report post #7 Posted August 15, 2015 You have to use a mod to have the correct flags.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
374 DemonsofRazgriz Members 972 posts 822 battles Report post #8 Posted August 15, 2015 Also that that is another reason why we won't see the flag without using mods. yeah We live in the "it is different therefor it must be removed" generation... No one knows how to accept things that they dont agree with anymore. Its all remove this and remove that. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #9 Posted August 15, 2015 You have to use a mod to have the correct flags.. Atleast we can use mods to get our flag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
374 DemonsofRazgriz Members 972 posts 822 battles Report post #10 Posted August 15, 2015 Atleast we can use mods to get our flag. for now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
36 [MOOK] SKOKAUCKAS Members 101 posts 10,815 battles Report post #11 Posted August 15, 2015 Thanks for responding to my post, so basically wargaming.net made the decision not to use the proper naval flags because they are afraid of offending people? Oh my Lord! Well we do live in the "PC" world where no one must be offended! They cant have their feelings hurt... Thanks again for filling me in on this, is there a link to the flag patch/mod? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
172 BrianDavion Members 944 posts 2,251 battles Report post #12 Posted August 15, 2015 Ok, I'm gonna make a post on my thoughts here. first of all I'll conceed that the rising sun flag is as bad as the Swastika. ok concession made, now.... so what? it's the historic flag used. I also belive that on the german WW2 ships they should (although they don't) use the Swastika. burying our heads in the sand and trying to remove the past is never a bad thing, this is hardly glorifying the third reich or the Japanese Empire (or if it is, replacing the flag isn't going to make it less so) and it simply divorces us from the past. a Past that IMHO is CRITICALLY important we remember. we should not forget the Third Reich, we should not forget the Japanese Empire, for, as the sign above Auswich says, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
57 Constalation Members 107 posts 7,783 battles Report post #13 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Might add fuel to the fire. Dunno. So don't highlight if you are mad. That is quite the argument. I was about to post about how the flag was incorrect but seriously? 40,000 Koreans apparently voted wargaming to take it out. The hell? The Rising Sun Flag is STILL used in Japan. The navy uses it, some infantry squads of the JDF use it. It is a MODERN flag. If those koreans successfully tell the Japanese navy to stop using the flag, then I MIGHT agree. tl;dr It should be more important to get some historical accuracy in. Soviet Flag is in the game, why not the Japanese flag as well? For n Edited August 17, 2015 by Constalation 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
656 [GUYS] TabbyHopkins Alpha Tester 2,768 posts 4,468 battles Report post #14 Posted August 17, 2015 I'm just going to recomend this topic get locked. Went from a reasonable discussion about a hot topic to personal insults. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33 rolex575 Members 301 posts 400 battles Report post #15 Posted August 17, 2015 I'm just going to recomend this topic get locked. Went from a reasonable discussion about a hot topic to personal insults. Where are those insults, sir? I see none. As for the actual topic of the conversation, we all know WG won't add the flags so just get the mod. (link in spoiler) http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/25508-mod0406-aslains-wows-modpack-installer-wpicture-preview-v049-13082015/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
656 [GUYS] TabbyHopkins Alpha Tester 2,768 posts 4,468 battles Report post #16 Posted August 17, 2015 Where are those insults, sir? I see none. As for the actual topic of the conversation, we all know WG won't add the flags so just get the mod. (link in spoiler) http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/25508-mod0406-aslains-wows-modpack-installer-wpicture-preview-v049-13082015/ They've been removed since I've posted that, it would seem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90 DV_Potatobaiter Members 276 posts 907 battles Report post #17 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I just made my own Edited August 17, 2015 by DV_Potatobaiter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
74 PPH402 Alpha Tester 697 posts 8,544 battles Report post #18 Posted August 17, 2015 The IJN flag is the only reason I started using mods. The ships just look better with that flag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
93 [OLDSK] 56Bravo Beta Testers 431 posts 10,772 battles Report post #19 Posted August 17, 2015 Sure, it might be classified as 'PC' gone amok to not use the traditional Japanese naval ensign in the game. And while any player may do as he or she wishes, a multinational game company cannot. To the more than 20 million people who had suffered under the Japanese before and during WW2 from 1930 to 1945, using the rising sun flag in game would be akin to telling someone of Jewish faith that the holocaust never happened, just get over it. A slap in the face of several million people who still have relatives that remember the brutality of Japanese forces is not something that makes a company money. More than a few ignorant people on this forum might want to take a few minutes and learn a little history about the atrocities and sheer scope of what the Japanese did that makes so many people upset about something as insignificant as a flag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
57 Constalation Members 107 posts 7,783 battles Report post #20 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Where the hell did you get that from? (Excuse my french) But I very much doubt that the JAPANESE flag would cause HOLOCAUST members who probably never saw the flag to begin with to get upset. The flag was requested to be removed by KOREAN members, NOT EUROPEAN. The Rising Sun is a flag used before the war, during and after. (even now) The Nazi flag was created DURING Hitler's reign. The main reason (I believe) that people associate the Nazi flag to to the Holocaust (and for good reason) is that it was created by the person who also was the cause of the holocaust. It has physical ties to Hitler. Did the Japanese Flag have anything to do with the ideals of Hitler? No. Removing the flag is akin to saying that the Soviet Flag is illegal to fly due to the millions of deaths caused by Stalin. The american flag is illegal to fly because of the two nukes. The issue it the cultural difference between the asian and other countries. EDIT: May make people angry. Hid this bit as well.Yasukuni Shrine is a GREAT example. No country other than Japan would understand the idea behind it. it is a shrine that worships all who have died in service of the country. War crimes and what no do NOT matter. You fought for the country, you died for it, your spirit will be remembered for eons and the sacrifice will not be forgotten and it will not be in vain. This is an idea that no other country will properly understand. Even if I tried to explain, it would never be properly understood because of the difference in ideas and culture. See what I did? I gave viewers an OPTION to change it instead of outright removing it. Instead of having to mod or do some abstract file moving that might get you banned. (In online games, I ain't riskin modding.) Edited August 18, 2015 by Constalation 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,924 [CMFRT] Daigensui Alpha Tester 9,364 posts 26 battles Report post #21 Posted August 18, 2015 EDIT: May make people angry. Hid this bit as well. Yasukuni Shrine is a GREAT example. No country other than Japan would understand the idea behind it. it is a shrine that worships all who have died in service of the country. War crimes and what no do NOT matter. You fought for the country, you died for it, your spirit will be remembered for eons and the sacrifice will not be forgotten and it will not be in vain. This is an idea that no other country will properly understand. Even if I tried to explain, it would never be properly understood because of the difference in ideas and culture. I guess that explains why the Showa Tenno never again went to Yasukuni after the Grade A Criminals were added in secret and it became known. In other words, stop whitewashing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90 DV_Potatobaiter Members 276 posts 907 battles Report post #22 Posted August 18, 2015 If the United States Navy has gotten over it maybe South Korea should too. It's been 70 years now ffs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,924 [CMFRT] Daigensui Alpha Tester 9,364 posts 26 battles Report post #23 Posted August 18, 2015 If the United States Navy has gotten over it maybe South Korea should too. It's been 70 years now ffs Maybe Poland would "get over" it if Germany blatantly refused to acknowledge what happened during WW2 and said that all they did was "modernize" Poland. I can see that working, yep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90 DV_Potatobaiter Members 276 posts 907 battles Report post #24 Posted August 18, 2015 Maybe Poland would "get over" it if Germany blatantly refused to acknowledge what happened during WW2 and said that all they did was "modernize" Poland. I can see that working, yep. Like it or not, it is what it is. This flag is obviously still in use to this day by the Maritime Self Defense Force and there is no denying its use by the Imperial Japanese Navy. It's nothing shy of utter retardation to exclude it from the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,924 [CMFRT] Daigensui Alpha Tester 9,364 posts 26 battles Report post #25 Posted August 18, 2015 Like it or not, it is what it is. This flag is obviously still in use to this day by the Maritime Self Defense Force and there is no denying its use by the Imperial Japanese Navy. It's nothing shy of utter retardation to exclude it from the game. You might as well support the Reichskriegsflagge during the Third Reich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
