61 Striker_70 Beta Testers 258 posts 490 battles Report post #1 Posted August 15, 2015 Coincidence? Doubtful. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
26 [_EDF_] _Platform Alpha Tester 51 posts 394 battles Report post #2 Posted August 15, 2015 Lemme get my tinfoil hat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
133 HMSPancake Beta Testers 659 posts 3,518 battles Report post #3 Posted August 15, 2015 At least you get to 52%. I only get to 50%. Huehuehuehuehue. Now pls stop your whining. And get some more losses. GL HF. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
146 Flarvin Beta Testers 1,031 posts 684 battles Report post #4 Posted August 15, 2015 So you want the MM rigged to give you wins? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
61 Striker_70 Beta Testers 258 posts 490 battles Report post #5 Posted August 15, 2015 These win/loss streaks keep happening to people. They're happening at rates which are far beyond random for so few battles. This is exactly what would happen if you've programmed a rigged MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
26 [_EDF_] _Platform Alpha Tester 51 posts 394 battles Report post #6 Posted August 15, 2015 [tinfoil hat intensifies] 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
146 Flarvin Beta Testers 1,031 posts 684 battles Report post #7 Posted August 15, 2015 These win/loss streaks keep happening to people. They're happening at rates which are far beyond random for so few battles. This is exactly what would happen if you've programmed a rigged MM. I guess you don't understand random. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7 tribal556 Members 43 posts 1,210 battles Report post #8 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) it's not random ! if you want everyone has a good experience of a game, and a decent leveling rate , MM is a precious tool .(manager) It's a semi team-based game, .. and on public (random) game, rate is ~50/50. then they will sell premium and extra squadron slots,clan stuff... it s because it s the only way to influence MM.. MM is not random, nor neutral. you can't have some players loosing 70%+ because they are just going to quit, MM make things a bit easier, or give some challenge Edited August 15, 2015 by tribal556 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7 tribal556 Members 43 posts 1,210 battles Report post #9 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) but after all, if you are a good player, you can deal with it ... stay focus, give orders to the team, define objectives,plan, orders,and so on Edited August 15, 2015 by tribal556 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90 TruePoindexter Beta Testers 644 posts Report post #10 Posted August 15, 2015 These win/loss streaks keep happening to people. They're happening at rates which are far beyond random for so few battles. This is exactly what would happen if you've programmed a rigged MM. Or you're going on tilt and should just take a break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,366 [-K-] Mesrith Members, Beta Testers 3,105 posts 10,659 battles Report post #11 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Thanks, dahdah325, I knew bookmarking this quote you dug up would come in handy. Taxian, on Mar 11 2015 - 20:47, said: Win rates push toward 50% because that is what happens in any random distribution where each game is zero-sum (unless it's a draw, in which case the sum is -1).Any serious statistical analyst will tell you that the data about global player win rates follows a pretty regular bell curve, which is exactly what you would expect to see in a random distribution.World of Tanks doesn't have to "rig" anything to push a player towards a 50% win rate.The player base, being made up of (mostly) average players, with a few statistical outliers on either side, will do that all by itself. It's literally just how math works.If the game was rigger to actually push towards 50%, then you'd see a normal distribution with a very compressed middle, or more likely a bi-or-trimodal distribution, where players were clustered around 50%, and then players who "beat" the system would be clustered at both very low or high values.Instead you see a normal curve.Once again, it's just how statistics work for a game like this. No extra manipulation is required on our part to make server average win rate what it is. Most people being average does that all by itself, and the fact that people think being average is somehow a conspiracy just goes back to what I said earlier: Most players aren't as good as they think they are, and are actually average (and their stats reflect their averageness) instead of being highly skilled players that are somehow being "cheated" by the game.TLDR: Wargaming isn't pushing you towards a 50% win rate. Statistics and the fact that most players are average does that without any intervention on our part. @The OP: When you have a good day of gaming and have an 8-10 game win streak, do you thank the rigged MM or do you just feel like you killed it that day? Edited August 15, 2015 by Mesrith 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,440 Sirus_Patton Members 3,243 posts 1,579 battles Report post #12 Posted August 15, 2015 If <image>=true <tinfoil_hat>=true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
89 [C-O-S] MortarrKang Members 314 posts 23,320 battles Report post #13 Posted August 15, 2015 Found pic of OP: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19 ZeBilly Members 11 posts 1,133 battles Report post #14 Posted August 15, 2015 im at 6 ish hours not a single win still got all my x2's and im heading to bed, what a [edited]crapshow night, even in WoT i have never EVER had a run like tonight. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #15 Posted August 15, 2015 Found pic of OP: Surprisingly accurate, could use a bigger hat though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
61 Striker_70 Beta Testers 258 posts 490 battles Report post #16 Posted August 15, 2015 These win/loss streaks keep happening to people. They're happening at rates which are far beyond random for so few battles. This is exactly what would happen if you've programmed a rigged MM. I guess you don't understand random. Bolded. Guess you don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
61 Striker_70 Beta Testers 258 posts 490 battles Report post #17 Posted August 15, 2015 @The OP: When you have a good day of gaming and have an 8-10 game win streak, do you thank the rigged MM or do you just feel like you killed it that day? Yes. http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/38464-wg-garbage-continues/page__st__40__pid__972700#entry972700 And I quote: The mm would be ok if it didn't hand you such big win/loss streaks. I won about 15 games in a row today doing nothing differently than I've always done. I'm not that good; the mm handed me those wins. A few days ago it was the reverse; I was getting near-constant losses. I'm not going to rule out the possibility that the mm does this on purpose; because in the win streaks the carrier/ship advantage will always be on your team and the reverse will be true for the loss streaks. If it's not on purpose, then it's simply not programmed well enough and needs to see significant improvement. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
61 Striker_70 Beta Testers 258 posts 490 battles Report post #18 Posted August 15, 2015 People without arguments typically resort to talking about tin foil hats. Takes less thinking that way. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,440 Sirus_Patton Members 3,243 posts 1,579 battles Report post #19 Posted August 15, 2015 Now, prepare yourself for the screenshot of the day before my previous one. The moral? Different days will yield different results. Some days you'll go on an amazing winning streak and others you'll hardly win at all. And then there will be even more where your wins and losses are more even. It's the nature of being random, remove the tinfoil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
61 Striker_70 Beta Testers 258 posts 490 battles Report post #20 Posted August 15, 2015 Men of science don't jump to conclusions without evidence. The evidence shows that the mm possibly rigs some games at certain times. Usually after a win streak there will be a lul, then a loss streak. Then the reverse happens. Yet nobody knows if its rigged or not as we don't have access to the code. BTW its no conspiracy when a business keeps their secret recipe secret. It's just business. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
225 [-GPS-] _BloodHawk_ Beta Testers 696 posts 5,366 battles Report post #21 Posted August 15, 2015 Men of science don't jump to conclusions without evidence. Which of course you dont have any. The evidence shows that the mm possibly rigs some games at certain times. You have no evidence other than your own perceptional bias and speculation. Not very scientific. Usually after a win streak there will be a lul, then a loss streak. Then the reverse happens. Thats called "random". Yet nobody knows if its rigged or not as we don't have access to the code. Yet you are claiming it is rigged! LoL .... something about tinfoil, and bias.... BTW its no conspiracy when a business keeps their secret recipe secret. It's just business. Maybe because there is no secret to be kept, and maybe they get a kick out of listening to conspiracy theorists? 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,106 [ERN] MajorRenegade Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 10,906 posts 4,896 battles Report post #22 Posted August 15, 2015 Me for one don't think the MM is rigged or anything. But bad stubborn team that refuse to put any effort into winning cause my WR to take a skyfall. Lost, lost, lost, draw, lost, lost, finally a win, lost, draw, lost. Well you get the idea, I don't blame MM, I blame my team....... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
89 [C-O-S] MortarrKang Members 314 posts 23,320 battles Report post #23 Posted August 15, 2015 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
355 [-WTP-] Kermut Alpha Tester 834 posts 9,250 battles Report post #24 Posted August 15, 2015 The problem with the rigged match theory is (well aside from being batshit insane) that there is absolutely no benefit to WG from rigging the game. Another way to look at it- do you really expect WG to go to the massive trouble of altering all of the RnG in a game against one player when they have trouble programming the p.o.s. matchmaker? Unless of course the matchmaker is IN on the the whole scheme....my god now it makes sense..... -steals tinfoil hat from Sirus- 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #25 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) MM isn't rigged. These are just stupid coincidences. Oh, law of averages doesn't exist in any WG game either. Everyone has to jump to tinfoil hat conclusions, and it's becoming a chore to read anything on these forums now. Seriously, you are making yourself look dumb by screaming stuff that could be further from the truth. MM can't control whether you get good or bad teams, and skill based MM suggestions are never thought out properly. Edited August 15, 2015 by ShermanMedium Share this post Link to post Share on other sites