Your thoughts on Cleveland in it's current form

[Tank3rDude]

I am just trying to get an idea of what people think of the Cleveland in it's current 4.6.0 form. I know before OBT it was an absolute beast and for AA duties it still is. It is a decent ship in it's own right. It has 12 152mm guns that spit out 7.5 rounds per minute. With the right upgrades and commander skill I got mine to a max range of 17km. The main problem is it's god awful shell velocity that is measured in days. It can be very effective at 10km and below and farther against BB's. But anything past 12km that is a fast cruiser or DD is almost impossible to hit. It also seem to cause very minute amounts of damage when getting hits with HE . Now AP can be effective against close targets that are not well angled. I am just thinking that I may be better off sticking with the Furutaka grind as I am very close to the Aoba. And from the Aoba up the tree all the ships seem to out-class their US Counterparts. What do you guys think?

 

 I love my Cleveland, and want to keep it, heck even if for only the fact it is a great looking ship, but we all know its more than that, or at least should be. 

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

its fine as is right now

doing less average dmg than BBs of its tier.

 

[crzyhawk]

I'd like the muzzle velocity nerf undone, moved to t8, and it's proper suite of 40mm and 10rpm.

[Shinkirou_]

I'd like the muzzle velocity nerf undone, moved to t8, and it's proper suite of 40mm and 10rpm.

This.

Cleveland and Mogami are really a perfect match. Both are relatively advanced cruisers using similar 6" weaponry. Their volume of fire (Cleveland has higher RoF, Mogami has moar gunz) and good dispersion make them somewhat superior to even heavy cruisers.

Instead, they are pitting her with an old inferior ship (Aoba) but nerfing her in ridiculous ways.

 

It's the same thing with Furutaka. She really ought to be a tier higher instead of hanging out with the Omaha, a ship she outclassed completely historically, but then nerfing her soft stats to such ridiculous levels it makes you cry.

 

Tier V Agano vs Omaha

Tier VI Furutaka/Aoba vs Pensacola

Tier VII Myoko vs New Orleans

Tier VIII Mogami vs Cleveland

[Sirus_Patton]

Waiting for the nerfs for it in 4.1, because they're already reducing the armor on the Mogami's turrets (which is only 30mm to begin with).  As is, I lose 1-2 turrets a game with the Mogami, so I half expect it to be like the Atlanta come 4.1 where every hit kills a turret making the ship a slog to play through.

[crzyhawk]

Honestly, I think the Cleveland will be removed from the tech tree for a bit.  It's my unsubstantiated belief, that the 1921 scout cruiser (8 gun Pensacola) is going to replace the Cleveland at T6.  It's not really a good fit there for a lot of reasons.  I imagine that the Cleveland will be released as a T8 premium (probably named Denver or Columbia) in a slightly degraded form, probably using the 1942 AA layout (12 X 40mm, 20 X 20mm).  When the CL branch comes out, the 1945 Cleveland will be unleashed with it's full AA suite and 10 RPM: (28 X 40mm, 10 X 20mm).

 

I have no proof, or official reason to believe that, it just makes sense, and frankly given the reputation of the Cleveland right now, I think they could make a killing off it as a premium while they wait for the CL line.

[wadavid]

The Cleveland could easily be moved up a tier or two if the guns got de-nerfed. It's such a nice ship except for the shell velocity, and if they really unleashed it, it would be a great ship to look forward to near the top of a CL line. I see why they killed the guns to keep it from being ridiculous down at tier 6, but it would be nicer if there was simply a non-nerfed version at a higher tier.

[Tank3rDude]

I was really looking forward to the Cleveland from all the you tube videos I watched and from having such a blast in playing the Omaha with it's single mount 152's. I was expecting the Cleveland to be even better having the triple gun turrets and a 7.5 round per minute ROF. But honestly I think the Omaha is more dangerous since it can maneuver circles around a Cleveland and the Omaha's 152s seem to be much more effective and much easier to use. I swear I think the Omaha is the better ship when it comes to fighting other ships, especially BBs. Granted the Cleveland can put out some serious firepower to anything in close range, but so can the Omaha. All the while being more nimble, a smaller target, and has torpedoes. I am really having to keep talking myself out of selling the Cleveland in hopes they will fix the shell velocity and just lower it's rate of fire to balance it.

[Cousin_Eddie_]

Just got mine and had very high hopes. After logging in this morning and getting out matched by lower tier (omaha, and phoenix) i thought i was just having a bad day. I chose the turret speed upgrade and thought maybe i should have gotten the accuracy one after today.  Glad to see im not the only one having issues. Its pretty disappointing but Ill grind through it i suppose

[Tank3rDude]

Just got mine and had very high hopes. After logging in this morning and getting out matched by lower tier (omaha, and phoenix) i thought i was just having a bad day. I chose the turret speed upgrade and thought maybe i should have gotten the accuracy one after today.  Glad to see im not the only one having issues. Its pretty disappointing but Ill grind through it i suppose

 

Well I will try and save you some frustration right now. Do what I have done. Put the US Cruiser line on hold for the time being and concentrate on the IJN cruisers. I am working my way through Furutaka and although at first it was a bit crap, after upgrades and me learning it I am starting to do well in it. And from tier 6 up the IJN cruisers majorly out-class the US cruisers tier for tier. Just look at each ship for each nation. The Myoko gets a higher rate of fire than the Pensacola while they pretty much have the same guns. Yet the Myoko gets really good torpedoes to boot. It is this way for tiers 7-10. Only the tier 10s are really kind of equal. But even than the Zao gets torpedoes while the Des Moines does not. 

 

 What I am doing as I play each ship class.

 BB's - US line (Currently on New Mexico)

CA's - IJN line (currently on Furutaka)

DD's - IJN line (currently on Isokaze)

CV's - (forgot I don't play these )

 

 As you can see the Japanese ships are the better line in everything except BB's. And even their BB's are pretty equal to the US line.

[Swingman]

The Cleveland takes a lot of time and dedication to play it well.  Eventually you can become good at it.  Probably the people that will push to higher tiers will sell it.

[Molotok_Yaniye]

Honestly, I think the Cleveland will be removed from the tech tree for a bit.  It's my unsubstantiated belief, that the 1921 scout cruiser (8 gun Pensacola) is going to replace the Cleveland at T6.  It's not really a good fit there for a lot of reasons.  I imagine that the Cleveland will be released as a T8 premium (probably named Denver or Columbia) in a slightly degraded form, probably using the 1942 AA layout (12 X 40mm, 20 X 20mm).  When the CL branch comes out, the 1945 Cleveland will be unleashed with it's full AA suite and 10 RPM: (28 X 40mm, 10 X 20mm).

 

I have no proof, or official reason to believe that, it just makes sense, and frankly given the reputation of the Cleveland right now, I think they could make a killing off it as a premium while they wait for the CL line.

 

I like that train of thought

[donaldEpott]

Honestly, I think the Cleveland will be removed from the tech tree for a bit.  It's my unsubstantiated belief, that the 1921 scout cruiser (8 gun Pensacola) is going to replace the Cleveland at T6.  It's not really a good fit there for a lot of reasons.  I imagine that the Cleveland will be released as a T8 premium (probably named Denver or Columbia) in a slightly degraded form, probably using the 1942 AA layout (12 X 40mm, 20 X 20mm).  When the CL branch comes out, the 1945 Cleveland will be unleashed with it's full AA suite and 10 RPM: (28 X 40mm, 10 X 20mm).

 

I have no proof, or official reason to believe that, it just makes sense, and frankly given the reputation of the Cleveland right now, I think they could make a killing off it as a premium while they wait for the CL line.

 

Its slated to move to the Light Cruiser line to tier 8 when its made. So no it will not be removed but rather moved when the second American Cruiser line comes out.

[TruePoindexter]

The Cleveland takes a lot of time and dedication to play it well.  Eventually you can become good at it.  Probably the people that will push to higher tiers will sell it.

 

She's far and away my favorite ship in the game. I'm never getting rid of her and I don't think I'm bragging too much in saying I'm quite good with her. It takes some practice to learn the guns but once you do she's brutal. Even nerfed as she is I feel she's a bit strong for T6 and realistically should be at T7. If she were restored to her original state and placed in T8 she would match well against the Mogami. 

[crzyhawk]

 

Its slated to move to the Light Cruiser line to tier 8 when its made. So no it will not be removed but rather moved when the second American Cruiser line comes out.

 

Ranked gaming may change that.  Lots of things change, just like the Russians were supposed to be coming first before the Germans.  As I said in my original post, my belief has no evidence to back it up, it's completely unsubstantiated, other than the fact they adding a version of the Pensacola with 8-inch guns, 4 5"/25 AA guns and two banks of triple torps...a configuration with so little AA that it couldn't survive at T7 imo.  That hull as a T6 A hull, backed up by the current stock 8 gun Pensacola with 8 5"/25 and the 1.1" guns in the B bull makes a nearly perfect match for the Aoba and for the likely T6 RN York class CA.  These hulls are already in game (except 1930 P'Cola which is only leaked).

 

The fact is, the Cleveland is a poor T6 in the American line.  You go from a tin clad flat-shooting Omaha, to a well armored rainbow shooting Cleveland, back to a tin-clad flat shooting Pensacola.  It makes no sense.  That's why I believe that it will either be replaced with a 6-8 gun version of the Pensacola (8 gun makes more sense) or with the Northampton.  The USN CL line won't likely be coming out any time soon (no Brooklyns yet) and WG knows they need to do something about the Cleveland.  They can't nerf it anymore and the current transition sucks.  Therefore, the idea that makes most sense is to replace it until they are ready to field a CL line.

 

Again, I have no proof this is what they are going to do, other than a new model and an idea that in my mind fits the scenario quite well.

[Heck_Kitty]

I see the value in the AAA aspect but shooting at anything over 11 clicks is like watching paint dry.

Turret traverse speed is slow and forget about trying to shoot anything while you're taking evasive action.

[flufflyfatcat]

Aren't CLs going to get their own branch in the tech tree? (at least for the USN).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Will there be multiple cruiser lines? Heavy cruisers, light cruisers? – ardoasms

Danny: Yes we hope to have additional branches in the future. One of the first should be US CAs. Cleveland will be moved there

 

 

 

 

 The Cleveland is really powerful as a tier VI. Will it possibly be moved? – Takeda992

Danny:It will most probably be moved to the light cruisers branch, once we have the required ships for it.

 

 

 

 

 

[JimmyJimboJimBob]

The Cleveland definitely belongs at tier 8.

[Guest]

The Cleveland definitely belongs at tier 8.

 

Not sure about tier 8, but a tier 7 would do well I think...though, testing will definitely be required. 

[Vortex__]

Insanely OP. Even in a beta, I'm quite surprised WG has let it go as long as they have. The thing needs a massive beat down with the nerf bat.

[BGrey]

Insanely OP. Even in a beta, I'm quite surprised WG has let it go as long as they have. The thing needs a massive beat down with the nerf bat.

 

Maybe you should actually play it. The AA is great and the rest is meh, the damage potential is there but the shell velocity is annoyingly low. It is funny you say "even in the beta" as if it is better than it was then (it isn't).

[JimmyJimboJimBob]

 

Maybe you should actually play it. The AA is great and the rest is meh, the damage potential is there but the shell velocity is annoyingly low. It is funny you say "even in the beta" as if it is better than it was then (it isn't).

 

Have played it. Damn thing is a flamethrower. Has no business being at tier 6.

[BGrey]

 

Have played it. Damn thing is a flamethrower. Has no business being at tier 6.

 

Because it is so out performing its contemporary (it isn't)?

 

HE and fire obviously OP:

 

 

That breaks down to 340 impact damage per shell and 970 damage per fire.

[TruePoindexter]

Have played it. Damn thing is a flamethrower. Has no business being at tier 6.

 

I've always been meh on the HE spam aspect. You can do it but the effects are greatly exaggerated. It'll still take you awhile to burn down any competent BB giving them ample opportunity to smash you. 

 

Conversely I love firing AP out of the Cleveland at other cruisers. The Cleveland exists to make cruisers cry. I make it a point to seek out all enemy cruisers and erase them. Even in highly stilted fights you can usually slaughter other cruisers quite quickly even if they're higher tier. 

[Mechanicum]

I just got the Cleveland this week.  I agree that it's an awkward transition from the Omaha, though it fits in nicely with some of the later cruisers.  Tier 6 should really be where the split is.

 

I'd suggest:

"CA Line"

T6 - Pensacola

T7 - Northampton

T8 - New Orleans

T9 - Baltimore

T10 - Des Moines

 

"CL Line"

T6 - Brooklyn

T7 - Cleveland (un-nerfed)

T8 - (empty)

T9 - Fargo

T10 - Worcester

 

I think that would keep everyone happy...