Please. Nerf the Cleveland.

[ZephyranthesX]

I don't want to put a title like that, but based on the patch notes and any additional information about it coming in, you guys have missed a HUGE balancing issue, a HUGE obvious one.

 

Why on earth are you touching the Mogami or the Myoko, but leaving the Cleveland in tact? The thing is ridiculous at her tier, with FAR too much DPS, on top of one of the worst imbalances in the game, a TINY and SPLIT Citadel. The thing is harder to sink than anything else around her tier, for no reason other than "model accuracy". There's no reason the Citadel area isn't NORMALIZED like almost every other ship in the entire game (looking at you St Louis). My grind through Aoba lead me to basically straight up avoiding the ship, because I could never reliably hit her citadel while I burned to the ground under ridiculous DPS for a t6 ship. At least the Atlanta is fragile, if you don't hit the right spot or fight outside of her range, you are going to have a bad day.

 

I sooort of understand the Myoko nerf if her DPS was higher than the next 2 tiers, but wake up, the Clevelands is literally higher than ALMOST EVERY OTHER SHIP. I really don't know what to say, if this is isn't an issue that came up far more often than 2 IJN Cruisers, i'm baffled what your testing data is even suggesting to you. I'm sorry your higher tier USN CAs tend to suck, but unless you want to end the line at t6 for americans, nerf the Cleveland. Mindless HE spam does not need to be rewarded with a tiny citadel and ridiculous DPS.

[TheGhostCat]

No.

[Compassghost]

I think it should just have its citadel be along its entire center. With the new anti-gun meta, Clevelands can lose their guns pretty quickly if you aim for them. Just increase the citadel and laugh as it goes potato from lack of firepower.

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

I don't want to put a title like that, but based on the patch notes and any additional information about it coming in, you guys have missed a HUGE balancing issue, a HUGE obvious one.

 

Why on earth are you touching the Mogami or the Myoko, but leaving the Cleveland in tact? The thing is ridiculous at her tier, with FAR too much DPS, on top of one of the worst imbalances in the game, a TINY and SPLIT Citadel. The thing is harder to sink than anything else around her tier, for no reason other than "model accuracy". There's no reason the Citadel area isn't NORMALIZED like almost every other ship in the entire game (looking at you St Louis). My grind through Aoba lead me to basically straight up avoiding the ship, because I could never reliably hit her citadel while I burned to the ground under ridiculous DPS for a t6 ship. At least the Atlanta is fragile, if you don't hit the right spot or fight outside of her range, you are going to have a bad day.

 

I sooort of understand the Myoko nerf if her DPS was higher than the next 2 tiers, but wake up, the Clevelands is literally higher than ALMOST EVERY OTHER SHIP. I really don't know what to say, if this is isn't an issue that came up far more often than 2 IJN Cruisers, i'm baffled what your testing data is even suggesting to you. I'm sorry your higher tier USN CAs tend to suck, but unless you want to end the line at t6 for americans, nerf the Cleveland. Mindless HE spam does not need to be rewarded with a tiny citadel and ridiculous DPS.

 

she was nerfed already

 

cleveland does on average 31k dmg a game

aoba does 28k (but it has torps and 203mm AP rounds)

Myoko does 37k

Mogami does 44k

 

tier 6 BBs.

Fuso does 37k

New Mexico does 39k

 

aka, Cleveland is pretty spot on in the balance department.

its doing less dmg than the BBs,  but not insanely less.

 

 

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150805a/average_ship.html

 

 

and no. HE doesnt make it strong Atlanta proves that with 19k dmg average...at tier 7.   HE doesnt help vs armor (aka Atlanta is way underperforming for its tier.  but players don't mind that cause its so good at recking DDs and light cruisers.  plus its fun)

 

 

as for why IJN cruisers jump above USN dmg at tier 7 to 10.  its cause USN have AA. and IJN have torps.

[For_The_Boys]

The cleveland is the easiest ship to play in the game with its HE spamming meta. But for good players The cleveland is limited to what it can do. Its has a low skill ceiling. The problem is the fact that bad players can HE spam their way and dont need to aim. 

[Dah_Bears268]

Stay beyond 12km and maneuver then the Cleveland won't hit anything with those slow 152mm shells with high arcs. Hitting those citadels with 203mm is hard but doable, I routinely aim to have the shell land between turret 2 and funnel 1 and have had good success in putting Clevelands down in my Pensacola/New Orleans/Myoko.

 

 

[Iridium81]

Worked for Minekaze; surely if people keep complaining loud enough Cleveland will one day find itself with a decreased rate of fire, lower max range, and worse turret traverse rate.

[Sakuzhi]

Stay beyond 12km and maneuver then the Cleveland won't hit anything with those slow 152mm shells with high arcs. Hitting those citadels with 203mm is hard but doable, I routinely aim to have the shell land between turret 2 and funnel 1 and have had good success in putting Clevelands down in my Pensacola/New Orleans/Myoko.

 

 

 

Minus a BB that is.

[darien22]

The cleveland is strong and I understand why people complain but I think it is ok for a tier 6 even though it is the easiest ship to play . The myoko nerf I get but I hope it isnt overdone. Mogami is again understanable but lets see how it goes. I jsut hope they dont nerf my myoko too hard .

[sherman255]

They are great ships, but it seems it's made of citadels for my New Mexico and makes the colorado grind possible, please don't nerf them 

 

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

The cleveland is strong and I understand why people complain but I think it is ok for a tier 6 even though it is the easiest ship to play . The myoko nerf I get but I hope it isnt overdone. Mogami is again understanable but lets see how it goes. I jsut hope they dont nerf my myoko too hard .

 

what nerf to Mogami?

it already got moved up to tier 8 without tier 8 AA =/

[darien22]

 

what nerf to Mogami?

it already got moved up to tier 8 without tier 8 AA =/

I heard they made its guns like the clevelands so they can be destroyed easy .

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

I heard they made its guns like the clevelands so they can be destroyed easy .

 

ah kk.  i can accept that (was worried they were removing its 155mm...would have been heartbroken xD)

is the Myoko change the same? (and does it keep its AA?)

[darien22]

 

ah kk.  i can accept that (was worried they were removing its 155mm...would have been heartbroken xD)

is the Myoko change the same? (and does it keep its AA?)

 

Myoko rof decreases is what I heard .

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

 

Myoko rof decreases is what I heard .

 

o.0 thats...wierd.

i can understand it due to rof of Mogami's 203mm beign worse.   but Aoba has the best rof of the IJN 203mm....if they nerf Myoko....its appeal is gonna drop ever more vs the Aoba (double so as Aoba has more hull armor than rest of IJN cruisers)

[BGrey]

Cleveland shell flight time is ridiculous, if you are at range and not driving in a straight line you should have no issue. Similarly if you are close enough to torpedo it reliably you should have no issue. The problem arises if you sit in that middle distance where it is hard to torpedo and can land shots fairly consistently, you will lose in that situation AND YOU SHOULD.

 

I also find the HE spam comments funny given that a Cleveland can wreck an Aoba a lot faster with AP.

[Fog_Destroyer_Akizuki]

Cleveland's citadels should be expanded about 20% in size.   and that alone would balence her.   Her AA and main battery RoF could be notched down 10-15% and she would be fine.

[Elementalism]

I suspect when they split the cruiser line for the USN the Cleveland will get a boost up to at least T7 like the Atlanta. That said the Cleveland is like any other ship. If the driver knows what they doing it is very deadly. But people need to get used to the high arc or they wont hit anything.

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

Cleveland's citadels should be expanded about 20% in size.   and that alone would balence her.   Her AA and main battery RoF could be notched down 10-15% and she would be fine.

 

all those options would lower her average dmg per game

which is already 6-8k lower than same tier BBs.    

so why?

she's doing fine in terms of balance =/

[sPzAbt505]

I just got mine, so no thank you.

 

As mentioned, the guns have a relatively low velocity, so engaging at range is not as easy as for other classes.

 

 

[Sakuzhi]

 

all those options would lower her average dmg per game

which is already 6-8k lower than same tier BBs.    

so why?

she's doing fine in terms of balance =/

 

Which is why it isn't getting nerfed but the tier 7CAs are.

[ZephyranthesX]

 

o.0 thats...wierd.

i can understand it due to rof of Mogami's 203mm beign worse.   but Aoba has the best rof of the IJN 203mm....if they nerf Myoko....its appeal is gonna drop ever more vs the Aoba (double so as Aoba has more hull armor than rest of IJN cruisers)

 

Myoko might of had superior DPS than the 2 tiers above her, which I can understand the nerf then.

 

I mainly want a normal citadel on the Cleveland. I really don't understand why a nigh unique Citadel layout exists on it (Isn't the Baltimore similar or something?), when it obviously gives you an advantage.

[paradat]

Just shoot back at it..... they die fast. Yes they have blistering fire and rattle some players but they are fragile.

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

 

Which is why it isn't getting nerfed but the tier 7CAs are.

 

haven't heard about any nerf for Pensacola

and i haven't heard of any nerf for Atlanta.

only Myoko..whose nerf makes sense as its 203mm are superior to Mogami's with the same number of turrets =/

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

 

Myoko might of had superior DPS than the 2 tiers above her, which I can understand the nerf then.

 

I mainly want a normal citadel on the Cleveland. I really don't understand why a nigh unique Citadel layout exists on it (Isn't the Baltimore similar or something?), when it obviously gives you an advantage.

 

what unique citadel layout?

citadel below each gun and the boiler right? same as all ships o.0