Ive heard it all now...

[Spyde]

Had a T9 BB complaining about a T7 CV (Ranger) and how the CV could kill him anytime he wanted.. and other team was T7-8's with 1 T9 CA..

 

Wow.... just Wow

 

We were losing.. so of course.. it was MM and the T7's fault...Not that our T9 BB set back afraid of T6 DD's from 20km expecting CA's to run ahead into enemy team...

[ZombieFlanders]

heavy tank syndrome has found a new home. 

[KamiSamurai]

It is the "sniper" syndrome. So many battleships think that because they can shoot from that range that they don't have to move in and engage the reds. People have to do a better job of assessing the situation and reading the map.

[suleiman71]

How has somebody of that magnitude of stupidity gotten to tier 9 already?! Includes sniper syndrome too, which is a death spiral. The person with it stays back, fires from max range, and when people get close on him and he dies, this reinforces his very bad idea that long range combat is better. 

[BlazerSparta]

How has somebody of that magnitude of stupidity gotten to tier 9 already?! Includes sniper syndrome too, which is a death spiral. The person with it stays back, fires from max range, and when people get close on him and he dies, this reinforces his very bad idea that long range combat is better. 

 

They must be in either a really slow ship or doesn't know when to run away.

[sherman255]

Had a T9 BB complaining about a T7 CV (Ranger) and how the CV could kill him anytime he wanted.. and other team was T7-8's with 1 T9 CA..

 

Wow.... just Wow

 

We were losing.. so of course.. it was MM and the T7's fault...Not that our T9 BB set back afraid of T6 DD's from 20km expecting CA's to run ahead into enemy team...

 

You'd be surprised what i've seen over the years with WG products... that is nothing lol.

[1Sherman]

 So many battleships think that because they can shoot from that range that they don't have to move in and engage the reds. 

The thing is, if BBs do get in close, they get focused down and killed because they are the biggest targets to shoot at. BBs have very long range, so why not use it? That is why BB round dispersion at range needs to be buffed significantly.

[flyingvomit]

 

They must be in either a really slow ship or doesn't know when to run away.

 

Slow ship this is [edited]. How many times i start the game in my CL going half speed so i can stick to the BB's to realize as soon as i see the enemy  BB's and other ship in front of me all focusing me and asking for help i see the damn BB's on my team back where they spawned and telling me they are too slow to get there in time. Well [edited]me how the hell did the enemy BB's got there in the first place if they are so slow as the BB's on my team? Maybe because they turned back at the sight of enemies to not get the paint on their ship messed up. To many lose due to BB's staying as far back as possible and enemy team BB's pushing with the other classes of ships.

[Misniso]

The thing is, if BBs do get in close, they get focused down and killed because they are the biggest targets to shoot at. BBs have very long range, so why not use it? That is why BB round dispersion at range needs to be buffed significantly.

 

And while they're being focused, my glass cannon can start citadeling their team.  

 

It's really hard to land your shots when you have to zoom in and out to dodge enemy fire.  If you don't get to see where your shells landed, it's difficult to correct your aim.

 

I do escort battleships for a reason.  One of which is hoping that they'll drag me into the combat zone.

[HerrCommandant]

I want to rage at you sir... *Takes glove off*

Buuuuuuuuut... Everyone would look down upon that unless I give a good reason.

 

I charge into the firefights that are a giant cluster bleep in my Fuso and come out fine, I range at the beginning of the match but at the end of the match im ALWAYS on the other side of the map or I at least did one whole rotation around the spawns. BBs who "snipe" have no right to call themselves a good BB player at all imo.

BBs are meant for the fight! *Crowd starts cheering.* The BB's rise UP for the cluster bleeps! *Crowd roars.* THE BB's NEED EXPLOSIONS AND KILLZ! *Crowd grows wild chanting my name. Herr! Herr! Herr!*

 

BB's are meant to be a tank! even from an MMO standpoint! A giant naval T-A-N-K, once again MMO view = T...A...N...K... wuts that spell TANK! A bullet sponge!

Sheesh people... games like SWTOR have tanks and there better at being a sponge than anyone here is, (besides me since I'm already a bullet sponge and played both games.)

x3

[teamoldmill]

Looking at accuracy rates of even the good players, I am starting to think even the "expert" BB drivers are not being as Rambo as they tell others to be. Sitting in your base is bad, yes. Charging like an idiot while the faster ships hide behind you is equally dumb. Scouting and skirmishing wins games. BBs are not good at that.

[BlazerSparta]

 

Slow ship this is [edited]. How many times i start the game in my CL going half speed so i can stick to the BB's to realize as soon as i see the enemy  BB's and other ship in front of me all focusing me and asking for help i see the damn BB's on my team back where they spawned and telling me they are too slow to get there in time. Well [edited]me how the hell did the enemy BB's got there in the first place if they are so slow as the BB's on my team? Maybe because they turned back at the sight of enemies to not get the paint on their ship messed up. To many lose due to BB's staying as far back as possible and enemy team BB's pushing with the other classes of ships.

 

You misunderstand, I mean't he was too slow to run away.

 

BBs refusing to lead a push is a direct result of how Wargaming designed their reward and credits sink systems.

 

Battleships simply don't gain anything from tanking, instead, they die sooner, leading to less damage done, and fewer rewards. A battleship who lets their cruisers get chewed up can deal consistent damage, and gain better rewards.

[teamoldmill]

I want to rage at you sir... *Takes glove off*

Buuuuuuuuut... Everyone would look down upon that unless I give a good reason.

 

I charge into the firefights that are a giant cluster bleep in my Fuso and come out fine, I range at the beginning of the match but at the end of the match im ALWAYS on the other side of the map or I at least did one whole rotation around the spawns. BBs who "snipe" have no right to call themselves a good BB player at all imo.

BBs are meant for the fight! *Crowd starts cheering.* The BB's rise UP for the cluster bleeps! *Crowd roars.* THE BB's NEED EXPLOSIONS AND KILLZ! *Crowd grows wild chanting my name. Herr! Herr! Herr!*

 

BB's are meant to be a tank! even from an MMO standpoint! A giant naval T-A-N-K, once again MMO view = T...A...N...K... wuts that spell TANK! A bullet sponge!

Sheesh people... games like SWTOR have tanks and there better at being a sponge than anyone here is, (besides me since I'm already a bullet sponge and played both games.)

x3

 

Have you played a game yet? Stats say no?

[HerrCommandant]

 

Have you played a game yet? Stats say no?

 

Stats say YAY... x3

[BlazerSparta]

I want to rage at you sir... *Takes glove off*

Buuuuuuuuut... Everyone would look down upon that unless I give a good reason.

 

I charge into the firefights that are a giant cluster bleep in my Fuso and come out fine, I range at the beginning of the match but at the end of the match im ALWAYS on the other side of the map or I at least did one whole rotation around the spawns. BBs who "snipe" have no right to call themselves a good BB player at all imo.

BBs are meant for the fight! *Crowd starts cheering.* The BB's rise UP for the cluster bleeps! *Crowd roars.* THE BB's NEED EXPLOSIONS AND KILLZ! *Crowd grows wild chanting my name. Herr! Herr! Herr!*

 

BB's are meant to be a tank! even from an MMO standpoint! A giant naval T-A-N-K, once again MMO view = T...A...N...K... wuts that spell TANK! A bullet sponge!

Sheesh people... games like SWTOR have tanks and there better at being a sponge than anyone here is, (besides me since I'm already a bullet sponge and played both games.)

x3

 

Tanks in other games with PvP aren't usually punished for tanking. They get rewards from winning the arenas they tank in, or they get points from winning the MOBA matches they play in, or they get assist points in MMOS.

 

In WoWS? They get reduced rewards because they're dying or running instead of putting out constant damage, and they're getting slammed with huge repair fees even if their death carried the game.

[Spyde]

Just had a Montana state he was gonna stay behind everyone because his repair is 200k.   Stayed at max range and didnt do crap,

 

 

 

[InspGadgt]

Had a T9 BB complaining about a T7 CV (Ranger) and how the CV could kill him anytime he wanted.. and other team was T7-8's with 1 T9 CA..

 

Wow.... just Wow

 

We were losing.. so of course.. it was MM and the T7's fault...Not that our T9 BB set back afraid of T6 DD's from 20km expecting CA's to run ahead into enemy team...

 

That's hilarious...the only way that would happen is if all his AA was shot out and he drove in a straight line.

[HerrCommandant]

 

Tanks in other games with PvP aren't usually punished for tanking. They get rewards from winning the arenas they tank in, or they get points from winning the MOBA matches they play in, or they get assist points in MMOS.

 

In WoWS? They get reduced rewards because they're dying or running instead of putting out constant damage, and they're getting slammed with huge repair fees even if their death carried the game.

 

Thats the thing though, from the view point and how I play my BB is never go alone, have the cruisers behind you or near you to give support while you the BB dished out damage.

BB should not snipe from the spawn left and right like srsly thats just stupid

[HerrCommandant]

 

Have you played a game yet? Stats say no?

 

Btw if this was towards me here yah go :p

http://worldofwarships.com/en/community/accounts/1014868967-HerrCommandant/#tab=account-tab-overview-pvp

If it was at the post maker I want my gloves off more x3

[PandaMarine]

I'm only in North Carolina but it does seem like the optimal range to engage Cl/Ca is ~17km and BB's is 19-20km...

 

Any closer and the fires... dear God the fires...

 

Really what it comes down to is the area where you can aim better than other players while being able to "dodge" shots and score consistent citadels from what I've seen.

 

That Iowa player really should have his ship taken away if he thinks anything other than skilled out T10 planes pose too much of a threat...

[El_Judarino]

I charge into the firefights that are a giant cluster bleep in my Fuso and come out fine, I range at the beginning of the match but at the end of the match im ALWAYS on the other side of the map or I at least did one whole rotation around the spawns. BBs who "snipe" have no right to call themselves a good BB player at all imo.

BBs are meant for the fight! *Crowd starts cheering.* The BB's rise UP for the cluster bleeps! *Crowd roars.* THE BB's NEED EXPLOSIONS AND KILLZ! *Crowd grows wild chanting my name. Herr! Herr! Herr!*

 

I started with cruisers in CBT and always got so flustered with BB drivers sitting at the back practicing their "sniper" skills. It drove me so crazy, I started playing BB's, my way, your way, the right way. BBs are about explosions and fun and secondaries! If it doesn't look like a pirate fight, either your mid-range game is so good they were all dead before you got that close or you're doing it wrong! Have a +1!

 

I don't get the crying about the rewards system, until probably tier 8, rushing in with a BB is all profit, you will do enough damage to cover the bills and make XP, after 7-8, if you push, you get kills and then your team wins and you get the win bonus = profit!

 

I seriously don't understand everybody trying not to die, there are no animated soldiers on your animated deck with animated loved ones to miss them when you hit the locker. Your job isn't to not die, it's to die effectively while dishing out more death than you take.

 

 

edited for punctuation

[Azzura]

Had a T9 BB complaining about a T7 CV (Ranger) and how the CV could kill him anytime he wanted.. and other team was T7-8's with 1 T9 CA..

 

Wow.... just Wow

 

We were losing.. so of course.. it was MM and the T7's fault...Not that our T9 BB set back afraid of T6 DD's from 20km expecting CA's to run ahead into enemy team...

 

Well lets just get the other side of the story...

 

I was said BB...I was trying to avoid a stealth DD (perhaps even 2 in the area during the first few minutes). I also did have the unwanted attention of at least one DD trying to torp me from a distance (all the while I continued to push forward as far as I dared to risk and be able to avoid the constant Torps coming at us). So, I was having to change course frequently..while keeping an eye out for the Torp planes (That I knew would be coming for me anytime the CV player desired it).

 

On top of being alert/aware of the DD in front of me... the enemy had in behind the DD ---- 2 to 3 Cruisers and 2 BB's also on the same side of the map...said CA's BB's retreating/falling back keeping a safe distance from me and allies.

 

I was hoping the CA's with me --- would eventually maybe try to get the DD. But as per usual  that happens in the map...the CA's tend to only get Kill the BB...ignore the DD! But I will in the defense of the CA's ----it would have been a tough thing to do...the BB's would be much easier to shot at.

 

So did a I do the suicide charge into the DD torps? No sorry I didn't. Did the CV eventually come after me....yeah he did.

 

I must apologize for only pushing past the halfway mark of the map. My shot accuracy was terrible....although most of the enemy wasn't coming at me but away from me -- staying a good 17 to 20km (and they didn't exactly travel in straight lines -- I think they knew I was trying to shot at them or something?). Perhaps trying to pull me into the DD that was there.

 

I don't have a whole lotta love for CV's right now and I just came from another match where a lev 9 CV killed me off in the first 5 min (or side had no CV). Then this match-up....again no CV on my team - so perhaps I was just a little frustrated with MM? idk?

 

I thought Iowa had some really good AA....but it doesn't seem to put any fear into the CV players I am playing in my Iowa. I think they just see me as a juicy steak of points.

 

I guess I am a bad BB player  =/

 

The best part about this ---- while the OP was making these comments about me not pushing forward and how bad a BB player I must be to worry about a lev 7 CV---- pretty much saying --- I was being crappy.

I checked to see where he was at the time of said comment.....he was 8 to 10 km behind me in a CA.

 

So I asked why he wasn't up here trying to kill this DD?

 

His reply was something along the lines ---I'm not committing suicide!

 

[DemonsofRazgriz]

 

Tanks in other games with PvP aren't usually punished for tanking. They get rewards from winning the arenas they tank in, or they get points from winning the MOBA matches they play in, or they get assist points in MMOS.

 

In WoWS? They get reduced rewards because they're dying or running instead of putting out constant damage, and they're getting slammed with huge repair fees even if their death carried the game.

And ill still get more credits if i die tanking than if i die trying to snipe at 20km....

 

 

Problem is BLINDLY going into enemy fire is stupid but pushing in with a coordinated team (hell ill take just focus firing) makes BBs OP since enemies will focus you, you simply citadel while bouncing them and allies focus on your targets eliminating enemies faster. This game is like dominoes, as enemies fall, the faster other enemies fall which in turn speeds up even faster how enemies fall. Those BBs camping B line at north spawn trying to snipe at the enemy CAs/BBs are just a waste of a slot space, especially when its like 4 BBs doing it

[KamiSamurai]

The thing is, if BBs do get in close, they get focused down and killed because they are the biggest targets to shoot at. BBs have very long range, so why not use it? That is why BB round dispersion at range needs to be buffed significantly.

 

I have played plenty of matches in battleships. I made it to Yamato and Iowa in CBT and currently sitting at NC and Nagato in OBT. I'm not saying that battleships don't get focused down if they get in close, but if they stay in back all game they have no significant impact on the game. Battleships need to learn when to push and when to sit back and shoot from distance. Just because a battleship has 24KM range doesn't mean you sit at that range all game. Your damage and impact on the team will be less than if you close that down to 15-16KM. Too many times battleships don't go with the team and then complain that they had no support.

[Lord_Arcadian]

I'm only in North Carolina but it does seem like the optimal range to engage Cl/Ca is ~17km and BB's is 19-20km...

 

Any closer and the fires... dear God the fires...

 

Really what it comes down to is the area where you can aim better than other players while being able to "dodge" shots and score consistent citadels from what I've seen.

 

That Iowa player really should have his ship taken away if he thinks anything other than skilled out T10 planes pose too much of a threat...

 

Your "optimal" range is 9-12K as the dispersion won't matter as much.  Anything over 15K that dispersion starts to play a big factor and you will start "straddling" your targets (with great aim, you can be mostly effective here).   19K+, even if you are an awesome shot, CAs and DDs paying attention can just avoid it.  BBs with a slight rudder change can avoid it. Dispersion and RNG really own you at this range.  It's fun, but mostly misses.   That 9-12K range is really the juicy spot on your BB and it makes ships vanish quite well.   IMHO