Sims is worse than a stock tier 6 US destroyer, wth?

[1HandTiedBehindMyBack]

So you gain about 3k hps and  a little speed but lose a gun (4 on sims vs 5) and rate of fire, keep the same torps and same detection. Oh and it has WORSE AA, you can get a 17 rating at tier 5 for us DDs, but  this piece of crap has a 14 at tier 7! (christ they even nerfed the 20mm to only have 1.2km range!  SO [edited]) So explain to me how the hell its ok for a premium tier 7 destroyer to be worse than a stock tier 6?  For the love of god give it the 3rd torp launcher like it really had, or make it have good aa, SOMETHING!  Add in that it gets totally boned in match making because of the lack of high tiers and it is almost pointless to play.

 

Compared to the Atlanta and Atago both solid ships at tier 7 and 8 and its easy to see why this thing is a total dog!

 

I can do fine in the Yubari its not great but no horrible, and the Grem is a awesome combo of torps and guns on a dd, so why does the Sims have to be such a complete and total trainwreck?

 

[Kaeldian]

Um - not unusual at all.   Most premium vehicles are worse than most of the standard vehicles in their tier.

[Cobraclutch]

Considering that the Sims is a better version of the Mahan.. This does not concern me. I would take the Sims over the Mahan any day of the week. 

[TheGhostCat]

Sims is pure trash.

 

It really should be moved down to tier 6 and given limited MM.

[Vaultin]

Considering that the Sims is a better version of the Mahan.. This does not concern me. I would take the Sims over the Mahan any day of the week. 

 

That, and the Mahan isn't bad either. It's just not good. Sims is good, and I know this without having one. They hurt.

[Mesrith]

Um - not unusual at all.   Most premium vehicles are worse than most of the standard vehicles in their tier.

 

Not worse than the standard vehicles in the previous two tiers.

 

If the higher-tier US destroyers have problems right now, and most agree that they do, the Sims is the poster-child for those problems.  Long torpedo reload for short-range, low-damage torpedoes that defy the too-large detection radius.  All it's really got going for it is good guns, but instead of being a true destroyer, it ends up feeling like one fourth of an Atlanta.

 

That's my experience anyway.  I'm not a destroyer whiz, but I do pretty well in my Gremy and just can't make my Sims work for me.  The US destroyer line is the only one I took to tier 10 in CBT, and I loved the Sims before the OBT changes.

[TheGhostCat]

 

That, and the Mahan isn't bad either. It's just not good. Sims is good, and I know this without having one. They hurt.

 

Opinion invalidated.

 

Sims is the worst t7 in the entire game. It's extremely hard to use. More often then not the team with the sims loses, as you're virtually a ship less.  

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

WG's response "its got premium income and exp, so you make more credits and exp"

 

but right now prem ships really don't get "increased income and exp"    =/

Sims isn't bad, but it would be nice if WG kept their word and actually made prem ships GIVE increased income.

Atago and Atlanta show there really isn't increased income(and if there is. then RIP normal ships...)

 

[JohnPaul_Jones]

No way its better then a mahan. Maybe in CBT, i loved it then also, but after the OBT Nerf it is horrible. Its guns are nearly useless with such a high slow arc now so there is no compensation for the low torp range and larger target to be hit in. Yes, the US tier 6 stock is better and that ship is better in a low tier situation then the Sims is in a high tier situation. It is true that WG does weight primiums to be moderatly worse then the counterpart, bit we are talking about a ship that is far worse then tiers below it all together. It just needs to be rebalanced again. Especially the guns.

[DemonsofRazgriz]

Um - not unusual at all.   Most premium vehicles are worse than most of the standard vehicles in their tier.

 

Murmansk. Gremy Yeah, Premium ships are supposed to be a credit/xp grinder while not being better than their peers or too much P2W...

[Edsgarth]

The Sims is NIMBLE. It's Fred Astaire on meth dual wielding Colt 1911 .45 ACP.

[Zampy]

The Sims immediately blows up upon being spotted by a Cleveland

[QuicksilverJPR]

Perhaps they will buff it individually, but allegedly all USN DDs are supposed to get some buffs.  I don't know exactly what that entails, but we'll see soon enough.

[suleiman71]

 

Opinion invalidated.

 

Sims is the worst t7 in the entire game. It's extremely hard to use. More often then not the team with the sims loses, as you're virtually a ship less.  

 

Are there server wide WR statistics publicaly available?

 

[Cobraclutch]

No way its better then a mahan. Maybe in CBT, i loved it then also, but after the OBT Nerf it is horrible. Its guns are nearly useless with such a high slow arc now so there is no compensation for the low torp range and larger target to be hit in. Yes, the US tier 6 stock is better and that ship is better in a low tier situation then the Sims is in a high tier situation. It is true that WG does weight primiums to be moderatly worse then the counterpart, bit we are talking about a ship that is far worse then tiers below it all together. It just needs to be rebalanced again. Especially the guns.

 

It is much better then the Mahan. 

 

The only thing the Mahan has over the Sims is the extra torp launcher. 

 

The Sims is faster, stealthier  and turns better. By a larger margin compared to the Mahan.

 

Do you know how long it takes for my shells to fly in my Mahan at max range? 15.2 seconds. 

 

Sometimes I fire shells , go pee and come back before they land in the water...

 

Like i already stated, the Sims does everything the Mahan does better. That is not to say the Sims is good, it's to say that it's currently better than the non premium tier 7 DD. 

 

 

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

 

Murmansk. Gremy Yeah, Premium ships are supposed to be a credit/xp grinder while not being better than their peers or too much P2W...

 

however. seeing as how they dont get increased credits and exp.   it makes sense they'd be on par with fully upgraded versions of normal ships

 

which makes me wonder. why Atlanta has less hp than tier 5 cruisers.  specially as it and Cleveland are still on par with eachother xD (i'd take Atlanta for its rof, but in the end cleveland wins out in dpm, gun caliber, hp, HE resistant hull, range, and twice the alpha of AP and HE shells)

 

seriously. WG needs to fix that "prem income" 

 

Atago(which is a tier 7 Myoko with 2 more torp launchers at the cost of additional citadels above the belt line and a worse rof for its 203mm vs the Myoko)

-double check me on the rof of Myoko vs Atago's 203mm....might have been traverse....

 

-Mogami still queen of tier 8

[TheGhostCat]

 

Are there server wide WR statistics publicaly available?

 

 

SEA Server stats.

Sim win rate was 40%

[Cobraclutch]

To all you who are saying the Sims is worse than the Mahan, or the worst tier 7 DD in the game. 

 

The Sims is 4 KNOTS faster than the Mahan! THAT IS HUGE. with a speed boost you  could effectively max her out at around 43 knots which is super fast. 

 

Maximum speed with the Mahan is 35 knots.... I have trouble catching up to cruisers let alone setting up a perfect ambush...

 

I will repeat, outside of the extra launcher.. The Sims is a much better version of the Mahan. Please Please give me the Sims at tier 7 instead of the Mahan...

 

[Kaeldian]

 

Murmansk. Gremy Yeah, Premium ships are supposed to be a credit/xp grinder while not being better than their peers or too much P2W...

 

I'm basing it off more than just this game.  I'm also looking at the other titles I have experience with.  While each premium vehicle is "supposed" to be a crew trainer and money maker, they generally have traits that make them worse than their counterparts in many ways.  Anytime one turns out to be OP, it eventually get's nerfed or removed from the shop.

[suleiman71]

 

SEA Server stats.

Sim win rate was 40%

 

Can I have it from a website? Not buying it.

[Strike_Witch_Tomoko]

 

I'm basing it off more than just this game.  I'm also looking at the other titles I have experience with.  While each premium vehicle is "supposed" to be a crew trainer and money maker, they generally have traits that make them worse than their counterparts in many ways.  Anytime one turns out to be OP, it eventually get's nerfed or removed from the shop.

 

yep

like Yubari's lack of guns vs other tier 4 cruisers.  its lack of hp, size of its citadel,  its rof, its range, and the 2 turrets.

Atlanta's low alpha, hp, no plane, low range, DD like armor.

Atago's citadels(so many, and in the deck house), turret placement(3 rear facing turrets vs Mogami's 3 front facing), rof, and armor of hull and citadel

 

basically all prems have something on them to make them compete at their tier, but also being weaker than normal versions (other than the 1 thing they have that makes them competitive)

-so they essentially focus on that 1 thing while normal ships focus on multiple

 

 

for Yubari its detection range and AA (though they still need to buff it a bit as AA isn't reason enough at tier 4...or for any ship)

for Atlanta its rof(....thats honestly all it has. 5% fire rate vs 16% on cruisers)

for Atago its a combo of 2 frontal torp launchers, and hp. (all else is inferior to Mogami)

for ishizuchi its rudder speed, turret traverse, and rof (but lower caliber than Myogi)

 

 

and Arkansas(while not a prem prem) is basically a Wyoming stock with upgraded engine, more hp(on stock hull).......which is kinda wierd as Wyomign trades its 2ndaries for AA in 2nd hull...

-so it lacks 1 thing that it excells at. but this is likely cause its not a prem ship. but a "reward" ship.   though it has alot of stuff that matches wyoming.  it would be nice if it could trade half the 2ndaried for AA...

 

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150805a/average_ship.html

 

prem ships in general perform worse than normal versions.

Myoko, Mogami, even Aoba seem to beat Atago

Pensacola and Cleveland beat Atlanta quite heavily

 

and yet Atago and Atlanta are both popular(i love my atlanta. screw the lower avg dmg. its a fun ship)

[Mesrith]

 

Can I have it from a website? Not buying it.

 

You're on the forums all the time.  You haven't seen the SEA server stats that were more widely repeated than the "Hey, I saw a Tirpitz!" threads?  The stats are around here somewhere.  The Sims was pretty low on the list of average wins.

[DemonsofRazgriz]

 

Can I have it from a website? Not buying it.

 

Here it is, Just look it up under Average Ships

[SweetRollThief]

Only ship faster than sims is the tier ten shimekaze. I don't want all the ships to be the same. Sims is a different play style then the other DDs. It's super fast, turns fast, and it's turrets are so fast u can stay on target while moving around like Barry sanders through a defense. I like it for a change of pace. I do wish the shell velocity would be increased though.

[1HandTiedBehindMyBack]

 

I'm basing it off more than just this game.  I'm also looking at the other titles I have experience with.  While each premium vehicle is "supposed" to be a crew trainer and money maker, they generally have traits that make them worse than their counterparts in many ways.  Anytime one turns out to be OP, it eventually get's nerfed or removed from the shop.

 

So you are saying you want the pile of poo with the corn in it because that makes it better than one without?  So lets compare vs a fully upgraded Mahan which is supposed to be worse than but better than stock.

Mahan gets 3x4 torp launchers with 6.4 range and only 1 knot lost speed.  This is a MASSIVE upgrade stock would be the same torps just 1 less 4x launcher so worse than stock.

Guns are 15 rounds a minute vs 13.6 nice but not a huge deal stock gets 5 guns with the same rate of fire so worse than stock

AA is 40mm with 3.5 and 20mm with 2.1 vs 50 cal with .9 and 20mm with 1.2 this makes it from HORRIBLE AA to ok, stock aa almost the exact same.

 

It is worse for speed as you mentioned and is .3 easy to detect on the surface but the torp and AA upgrades are both MASSIVE

Just being able to drop 12 torps at the 6.4 vs 5.5 is a game changer.

 

So a small upgrade to speed and turning makes up  for a massive downgrade in firepower and AA?

And that is comparing it to the next worst tier 7 in the game.

 

So  a premium that is the worst tier 7 in the game because its based of the 2nd worst tier 7 is OK?