They said Furutaka is bad...

[SilverforceX]

They were not lying.

 

[Evenlease44]

This doesn't seem thread worthy.

 

But all I have to say, don't show your broadside (easy citadels) and stay a good distance from the enemy (long reload)

[mr3awsome]

Its not bad per se, its just a different style of ship from the two before it. 

[SilverforceX]

I just don't get the 45s turret traverse and horrendous RoF thats basically BB class, on a chasis that is nothing like a BB. 

[Seraphil]

You have 203mm guns at tier 5 which is balanced by the slow ROF.  The traverse is the same as the Myoko and some IJN DD guns.

 

Furutaka is a bully cruiser that can kick the butt of any CL or DD at her tier or even some higher ones, but has to run when the big boys come onto the playground.

[Gastibelza]

Furutaka is a beast once you play it right. It's an excellent ship to be a bully. Charge a stranded BB head on, after they fire turn and torp for the kill. Charge into smoke clouds and hunt DDs... It's fast.... It's an awesome ship! Grow some balls and take some risks, you'll love that Furutaka once you get in close.

 

Don't get caught in the open taking shots from multiple targets. Don't make a pass at that fat and juicy Colorado with 2 cruisers and a DD near them in support. But... isn't that a good idea for any torp-throwing ship?

[CaliburxZero]

Just because some have done well with it-- Doesn't mean its good.  Something I'll remind any player that tries to champion horrible ships such as but not limited to:

 

Mutsuki

Kawachi

Phoenix (before fully-upgraded)

Colorado

Furutaka

Izumo

Arguably Pensacola 

Langley

Bogue

 

Those are just off the top of my head.  On the note of the OP, yes, "Furrytaco" is indeed bad.  It does indeed train you for the playstyle to with the rest of the ships of the line, but its downsides seriously outweigh its strengths.  You're not even a second-line cruiser for support with this thing, you're more like third line hiding behind second line because your Turret traverse and RoF is so bad, chances are you'll be citadeled into oblivion trying to make attacks.  Sure, those 203mm guns are crazy at Tier 5... but the downsides in exchange is very heavy-handed, and I'd honestly much prefer smaller caliber, faster firing and moving turrets.  Which remains to be seen.  I free exp'ed through the piece of junk.  Aoba is a great ship after.

[Noshiro_]

Just because some have done well with it-- Doesn't mean its good.  Something I'll remind any player that tries to champion horrible ships such as but not limited to:

 

Mutsuki

Kawachi

Phoenix (before fully-upgraded)

Colorado

Furutaka

Izumo

Arguably Pensacola 

Langley

Bogue

 

Neither Mutsuki and Pepsicola are bad... Some people just feel let down because the previous ships, minekaze and cleveland, are OP. I prefer the 2 * 3 torp tubes on mutsuki anyway.

[Gastibelza]

Those are just off the top of my head.  On the note of the OP, yes, "Furrytaco" is indeed bad.  It does indeed train you for the playstyle to with the rest of the ships of the line, but its downsides seriously outweigh its strengths.  You're not even a second-line cruiser for support with this thing, you're more like third line hiding behind second line...

 

You don't play a bully by hiding under your mamas' dress...

 

If you want to stay 15 Km away from the action and use your guns, play US cruisers or Jap BBs. Torp-throwing ships usually require the captain to be ready to get in close and take some risks but when you do it right it's extremely rewarding.

[CaliburxZero]

 

Neither Mutsuki and Pepsicola are bad... Some people just feel let down because the previous ships, minekaze and cleveland, are OP. I prefer the 2 * 3 torp tubes on mutsuki anyway.

 

Well like i said for Pepsi-Cola, its debatable.  I tried her and found her to be acceptable, but more akin to a "side grade" than an upgrade, ignoring AA.   As for Mutsuki... we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

[CaliburxZero]

 

You don't play a bully by hiding under your mama's dress...

 

If you want to stay 15 Km away from the action and use your guns, play US cruisers or Jap BBs. Torp-throwing ships usually require the captain to be ready to get in close and take some risks but when you do it right it's extremely rewarding.

 

I Had New Orleans, Ibuki nearly to Zao, and both T10 BBs in CBT.  The only reason why I even stopped at New Orleans was because I found the USN CA line to be boring compared to their IJN counterparts.  I know what I talk about.  Furrytaco has the same exact playstyle as everything after it, but its a bad ship.   You can think what you want... but WG has already recognized this ship needs help on RU forums, they just haven't decided what to do yet.  The stats from the Asia server that are floating around also show most of the ships I've mentioned to be definite under-performers.  

 

Go ahead, do a search on Furu on the forums.  Or better yet, talk about how great the ship is in a new thread, see what kind of responses you get... you're in for a very rude awakening 

 

 

 

[CaliburxZero]

Just because I have the stats pulled up and for those too lazy, here u go:  http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150719/statistics.html

 

On the note of the Furu, fun fact:  Both the average and top 10% of players arguably do about the same if not a bit better in the YUBARI for crying out loud.  A ship that's one tier lower, and for those who have it (still), yeah... I don't think I need to talk about how good the Yubari is.

[illyrium_dawn]

If you ever read stories about conscription in Russia, the kind of brutal hazing that drives recruits to suicide and so on, you'll understand that ships like the Pensacola, Furutaka, and Mutsuki are basically military boot camp in a place like that.  It's beaten into you how the rest of your tiers will be played at this point.

 

For those who can adapt quickly to their new reality, none of these ships are too bad and some can do really well in them.  Others, who cling too tightly to the Cleveland, Kuma, and Minekaze gameplay and feel entitled to that level of ease are going to have severe difficulties and may just need to stop advancing tiers the ships.  Others will struggle and cry and have to bribe (WG with free xp) to get out of boot camp, but be warned ships higher up in the tree are never as easy to play as the ship you just left.

 

But like any boot camp, once you get through it, the actual ships you get later will seem easy in comparison.

 

I do think the Furutaka is probably the worst of these "gameplay shift" ships, though.  Mutsuki is fairly easy to grow accustomed to once you can get the 10km torpedoes.  Amusingly I found the upgraded Pensacola to be better for doing harassment retreats and playing range games because it has five guns facing rearwards as opposed to the three of all other US cruisers; giving up one forward facing gun to get two rear guns is not a bad trade.  My rear firepower is nearly as good as the full forward guns of the cruisers chasing me.

[SilverforceX]

I was so enjoying the Kuma I hesitated to sell it to move to an "upgrade" at tier 5.. turns out, it was a down grade. Ship feels like it turns & moves worse, the gun rotation is ridiculously bad and close range play requires a ton of weaving & switching sides, the guns are freaken useless when you melee since it turns so slow. At longer range, fine, np. But then the torps are useless. I had good results in the Kuma knife fighting in close range but nope, this ship can't do that with its horrid turning speed on the turrets.

 

Aoba looks fun though, faster guns, much more RoF, and longer range torps.. 

[IronWolfV]

They were not lying.

 

 

It's not bad, but it's not a run and gun ship like the kuma. Better get used to the Furutaka now. Aoba behind it, plays a lot like it.

[CaliburxZero]

If you ever read stories about conscription in Russia, the kind of brutal hazing that drives recruits to suicide and so on, you'll understand that ships like the Pensacola, Furutaka, and Mutsuki are basically military boot camp in a place like that. 

 

Sure, those ships teach the playstyle and punish you incredibly hard for not knowing it, but they are indeed not very good ships.  Mutsuki by comparison is definitely much more bearable but in the end it still is the definitive low point of the line, and Furutaka is bad.  Your initial comment of comparing Russian military camp to these ships however I think will tell anybody with half-decent reading skills what you're sugarcoating though.

  Others will struggle and cry and have to bribe (WG with free xp) to get out of boot camp, but be warned ships higher up in the tree are never as easy to play as the ship you just left.

 

But like any boot camp, once you get through it, the actual ships you get later will seem easy in comparison.

 

 

I giggled reading this part of your post.  Never as easy?  Please.  Maybe jumping from low tiers instantly through a few ships to the high-tier stuff will punish you the way you make it seem, but say skipping Furu to go to Aoba?  Yeah, its a good idea.  Its the same playstyle with not even close the same irritation and downsides.  Its a great ship, one I plan to keep for the T6 bracket alongside my New Mexico even after I get my Myoko that i'm about to get.  Someone who skipped to Aoba over Furu could easily learn the playstyle there, in a much more capable and fun ship.  

 

Either way, refer to my earlier posts.  Anecdotal evidence you can cite all day long, but numbers don't lie and are always more accurate.

 

 

[Gastibelza]

 

I Had New Orleans, Ibuki nearly to Zao, and both T10 BBs in CBT.  The only reason why I even stopped at New Orleans was because I found the USN CA line to be boring compared to their IJN counterparts.  I know what I talk about.  Furrytaco has the same exact playstyle as everything after it, but its a bad ship.   You can think what you want... but WG has already recognized this ship needs help on RU forums, they just haven't decided what to do yet.  The stats from the Asia server that are floating around also show most of the ships I've mentioned to be definite under-performers.  

 

Go ahead, do a search on Furu on the forums.  Or better yet, talk about how great the ship is in a new thread, see what kind of responses you get... you're in for a very rude awakening 

 

 

 

 

Maybe you should work for WG. You sound very knowledgeable!

 

To OP. Don't listen to people who just like to [edited]. Go check this out:

[inktomi19d]

The funny thing is that the Aoba is very similar to the Furutaka, but the Aoba is a good ship. It's more nimble, has faster guns, and fires a larger spread of torpedoes -- it's not a lot different, but it's enough to matter.

 

Another big problem with the Furutaka is that it's a bad ship in the same tier with 3 "keeper" ships: the Minekaze, Omaha, and Kongo (two of which practically have fan clubs). That means that the Furutaka faces a lot of players who know all the ins and outs of their ship and all the weaknesses of any tier 5 enemy. They know where to aim to get citadels on it, how to exploit it's turret traverse, etc. If it were down a tier with all the same flaws, it wouldn't be such a big issue since most players are just passing through tier 4 on their way to something else.

[IronWolfV]

 

Sure, those ships teach the playstyle and punish you incredibly hard for not knowing it, but they are indeed not very good ships.  Mutsuki by comparison is definitely much more bearable but in the end it still is the definitive low point of the line, and Furutaka is bad.  Your initial comment of comparing Russian military camp to these ships however I think will tell anybody with half-decent reading skills what you're sugarcoating though.

 

I giggled reading this part of your post.  Never as easy?  Please.  Maybe jumping from low tiers instantly through a few ships to the high-tier stuff will punish you the way you make it seem, but say skipping Furu to go to Aoba?  Yeah, its a good idea.  Its the same playstyle with not even close the same irritation and downsides.  Its a great ship, one I plan to keep for the T6 bracket alongside my New Mexico even after I get my Myoko that i'm about to get.  Someone who skipped to Aoba over Furu could easily learn the playstyle there, in a much more capable and fun ship.  

 

Either way, refer to my earlier posts.  Anecdotal evidence you can cite all day long, but numbers don't lie and are always more accurate.

 

 

 

You kidding. While the Aoba has better weapons, trade off is this. It's twice as wide, a citadel about as weak as the Yubari, and turns like a Buick for a cruiser.

 

Not that great of a ship.  Rather have the Myoko, or my Fav ship of the line, Mogami.

[Gastibelza]

or this one:

 

It's in russian but the 2nd half is gameplay.

[CaliburxZero]

 

Maybe you should work for WG. You sound very knowledgeable!

 

To OP. Don't listen to people who just like to [edited]. Go check this out:

 

I'm half awake, but even I can tell that was some sarcasm right now.  People who just like to complain?  No.  SilverforceX who made this thread weren't apart of CBT or alpha testing, and I'm merely trying to save some people a few headaches.

 

But if you really want me to talk about IJN CAs... Let's talk about the play-style Furutaka-on should behave.

 

IJN CAs in a nutshell T5+:

 

Unlike their American counterparts, IJN CAs are typically a fair bit more fragile.  While USN CAs specialize in AA, IJN CAs are characterized primarily by the fact that they have a torpedo compliment.  Because of the torpedo storage in addition to their  turrets and other essential areas, it means that a much larger portion of the ship is susceptible to citadel hits.  An IJN CA at T5+  Wants to make use of her laser-accurate, flat trajectory of their 203mm guns to snipe, due to two very good reasons:  IJN CAs more times than not have awful turret traverse (45 seconds on Myoko, the same speed for example as the T8+ USN BBs!) and this is also to protect their very large, fragile citadel. Learning the leading of  these guns will allow you to "snipe" the citadels of other CAs when they present their broadside, and angling your hull to protect your citadel at the same time is a must.  For their torpedoes:  I like how Higgle put it, that they are the "side dish" of the ships.  Because of their rear-firing arcs for the torps, they're only good for fighting retreats or moments where you can reveal your broadside to swing around your enemy into arc, typically at opponents you can run up on or non-attentive BBs typically.  They are also good as an area-denial weapon as you retreat from a domination point you've just captured, for example.

 

The 203mms "feel" great for using them.  Just don't get too giddy with full broadsides too much, and only do it in times where you know you aren't being paid much attention to or if you know you can evade well to protect that huge citadel.

 

Post edit/special mention:  The premium IJN T8 CA Atago, has a forward-firing Torpedo arc.  However, only the forward-facing tubes can use it, so u can use it offensively without exposing citadel too badly.

[CaliburxZero]

 

You kidding. While the Aoba has better weapons, trade off is this. It's twice as wide, a citadel about as weak as the Yubari, and turns like a Buick for a cruiser.

 

Not that great of a ship.  Rather have the Myoko, or my Fav ship of the line, Mogami.

 

All IJN CAs have weak, huge citadels.  This is not exclusive to the Aoba... that's for sure.  Turning is wide, yes, but I never had an issue with her for that.

 

You're not really being fair here either.  I only compared Furu and Aoba because they are adjacent tiers.  Myoko and Mogami are obviously better, with Mogami being amazing, yes.  Mogami even has that great luxury of the 155mm guns along with advanced firing training to be a poor man's Cleveland or something to that effect.  I personally found Mogami to be my favorite of the line too, but once again, not my point and never was.

 

Stop trying to shift my argument with a straw-man to a point where I wasn't even defending nor speaking about.

[IronWolfV]

 

All IJN CAs have weak, huge citadels.  This is not exclusive to the Aoba... that's for sure.  Turning is wide, yes, but I never had an issue with her for that.

 

You're not really being fair here either.  I only compared Furu and Aoba because they are adjacent tiers.  Myoko and Mogami are obviously better, with Mogami being amazing, yes.  Mogami even has that great luxury of the 155mm guns along with advanced firing training to be a poor man's Cleveland or something to that effect.  I personally found Mogami to be my favorite of the line too, but once again, not my point and never was.

 

Stop trying to shift my argument with a straw-man to a point where I wasn't even defending nor speaking about.

 

Well wasn't really a strawman I can't remember who said it and maybe replied to the wrong post but someone in this thread said the Aoba was more nimble than the Furutaka. Which is a joke.  Just has faster turning guns which give that illusion.

 

Aoba actually has a HORRIBLE turn radius. A Warspite for Pete's sake can out turn it.  While the Aoba is a better weapons platform, Furutaka actually has a stronger armor layout and turns WAY better.

[CaliburxZero]

 

Well wasn't really a strawman I can't remember who said it and maybe replied to the wrong post but someone in this thread said the Aoba was more nimble than the Furutaka. Which is a joke.  Just has faster turning guns which give that illusion.

 

Aoba actually has a HORRIBLE turn radius. A Warspite for Pete's sake can out turn it.  While the Aoba is a better weapons platform, Furutaka actually has a stronger armor layout and turns WAY better.

 

Well, I never made any comment regarding agility, that's for sure and it hasn't been on this thread.  If you want to laugh at them for such comments, do it to the actual person and not me.  Yes, Aoba turns very wide, at least her rudder shift is fairly fast especially if you put on the upgrade for it.  To be fair... Warspite turns on a freaking dime.  Its, what?  590m of turn radius?  That ship however has a 18 second rudder shift to balance that out.

 

I can't comment right now and too lazy to compare the armor of Aoba versus Furu, but I keep on hearing people say that Aoba is essentially an upgraded/modified Furu, so logically speaking they should have the same or at least very similar armor schemes.

[IronWolfV]

 

Well, I never made any comment regarding agility, that's for sure and it hasn't been on this thread.  If you want to laugh at th em for such comments, do it to the actual person and not me.  Yes, Aoba turns very wide, at least her rudder shift is fairly fast especially if you put on the upgrade for it.  To be fair... Warspite turns on a freaking dime.  Its, what?  590m of turn radius?  That ship however has a 18 second rudder shift to balance that out.

 

I can't comment right now and too lazy to compare the armor of Aoba versus Furu, but I keep on hearing people say that Aoba is essentially an upgraded/modified Furu, so logically speaking they should have the same or at least very similar armor schemes.

 

You'd think so on the armor scheme, but angled on an Aoba and this is just my playing with it and my opinion so take it as ya will, but I barely bounce crap in that ship.  OTOH I have bounced 14 inch shells in the Furutaka.

 

Granted it does have some GLARING weaknesses, but it also has some good strengths nobody really sees because they focus so much on reload and traverse.