patch 4.0.4 and still no carrier nerfs...

[rocketdrive]

Despite Multiple threads providing evidence why manual drop is imba AND multiple threads stating battleships are useless.

 

Despite this, apparently I'm still a "baBBy" and so is everyone who ever even suggest carriers are overpowered according to every cruiser, destroyer, and ofc carrier main ever. 

 

inb4 usual blind rage neg rep bomb from usual blind raging destroyer, cruiser, and carrier mains. 

[Sturmkurz]

Dis gon be good.

[The_GoDDfather]

All the classes are fine enough, not good, fine enough. (DDs gets the nerfbat hard, but are still playable) )Please take your whiny baBBy wails elsewhere.

[TurboT]

Not gonna neg rep you but I think you should focus your attention on the cruiser spam and not the CV "manual drop" which is so overdone and not 'proven' anywhere. 

 

There are so many of these threads by folks such as you looking for attention grabbing it's growing tiresome.  If you don't think the devs have seen the arguments across three/four servers of forum posts another one isn't going to freakin matter.

 

[SilentNinjaZombie]

stupid players who think CV need a nerf when u can see it way underpowered u just make me want to laugh at u so hard

 

• border need a Fix
• T9 n up need a cred fix
• invisible ships need a fix
• we need T1/T2 carriers 
• camouflage need a fix it not workin as it should be
• us need a better bal in there ships givin them Turnin force is a joke
• match making need a fix at this point it just broken and it makin players  upset
• us carriers need more planes in hanger

[Sturmkurz]

T1/T2 carriers?..Hope you know the T1 and T2 ships have no AA.

[Grizley]

Explain to me again how it's the cruisers that are a problem not the CVs...

 

 

 

Nice try, but the dreaded whinemagnet Cleveland does half the damage of a IJN CV of the same tier.

 

The New Orleans does half the damage of USN CV and less than that of the IJN CV.  

 

In fact the craptastic Colorado averages 50% more damage done than the Pensacola,  to take that a step further NOT ONE ship in the cruiser line deals more damage than ANY of the battleships of the same tier, let alone the CVs.  

 

So lets hear what's so unbalanced about that hmmm?  Less damage, less xp, and that's too strong?  You must play a CV.

[Grizley]

T1/T2 carriers?..Hope you know the T1 and T2 ships have no AA.

 

It's an obvious troll, but to be fair T3 and 4 ships don't have AA either.  You don't see AA until T6 in any meaningful form.

[MortarrKang]

So, what was wrong with the other (multiple) threads on the alleged CV imbalance?

[dahdah325]

stupid players who think CV need a nerf when u can see it way underpowered u just make me want to laugh at u so hard

 

• border need a Fix yeah, buts its hardly a big issue
• T9 n up need a cred fix lol, you have nothing over t6 thats not a prem ship, play hi tiers before you develop an opinion - creds are fine in hi tiers if you do damage
• invisible ships need a fix  VR is working fine
• we need T1/T2 carriers  Not only no, hell no
• camouflage need a fix it not workin as it should be  Camo is working fine, its just a very small incremental difference
• us need a better bal in there ships givin them Turnin force is a joke   Not even sure what this means
• match making need a fix at this point it just broken and it makin players  upset  Just because people have few bad games does not mean it is 'broken'' despite forum raging
• us carriers need more planes in hanger Cant comment, don't play CV

 

[TurboT]

Maybe because their are 8 Clevelands on a team smashing everyone's face and only one CV?

 

BB's are broken I'm not even going there. Broken because they can't compete with anything.

 

Anything high tier is going to be inaccurate because their simply isn't enough of them and they'd be playing against tier 7 boats a lot of the time.  Not a fair assessment of them at all.

 

..and I must suck at the Hiryu because I can't get that avg dmg in mine at all.

 

..and yet another anti-carrier post from someone who doesn't play them.. >sigh<

 

[DoctorrDread]

stupid players who think CV need a nerf when u can see it way underpowered u just make me want to laugh at u so hard

 

• border need a Fix
• T9 n up need a cred fix
• invisible ships need a fix
• we need T1/T2 carriers 
• camouflage need a fix it not workin as it should be
• us need a better bal in there ships givin them Turnin force is a joke
• match making need a fix at this point it just broken and it makin players  upset
• us carriers need more planes in hanger

 

Amen, brother.

[GiN_nTonic]

Nerfs are required - simple MM modification.  I personally think each side should get 1 CV a piece, or none.  2 CVs each side is a living hell ( and not very fun ) for other ships....but if WG did nothing else, at least make CV MM equal.  1v2 CV actually ends up 0v2...and that is nuts.

[Grizley]

Maybe because their are 8 Clevelands on a team smashing everyone's face and only one CV?

 

BB's are broken I'm not even going there. Broken because they can't compete with anything.

 

Anything high tier is going to be inaccurate because their simply isn't enough of them and they'd be playing against tier 7 boats a lot of the time.  Not a fair assessment of them at all.

 

..and I must suck at the Hiryu because I can't get that avg dmg in mine at all.

 

..and yet another anti-carrier post from someone who doesn't play them.. >sigh<

 

 

If BBs are broken, then why are CAs worse?  it's funny to me because I can make a BB work just fine, it's just annoying to spend so long getting from point A to point B.

 

I agree that not much can be concluded from the T9 and T10 results, they're marked in yellow to show small sample size issues.  

[TurboT]

 

If BBs are broken, then why are CAs worse?  it's funny to me because I can make a BB work just fine, it's just annoying to spend so long getting from point A to point B.

 

I agree that not much can be concluded from the T9 and T10 results, they're marked in yellow to show small sample size issues.  

 

I really want to know why there are only 3-4 BBs in a game max, and 8 cruisers, it seems ALL THE TIME.   Generally, you will find a lot of complaints here about BB's and how they play. 

You will also find a lot of people complaining about CV.

 

...but I find it really odd that so many cruisers in game, fire spamming HE, and nobody seems to complain.

 

Here's the best example I can give you.   Four Clevelands rolling up a line HE fire spamming everything in their path.  Their avg dmg does not show as super high because their damage is spread out amongst the four ships.  The fire damage is split up, the shell damage is split up.  So when you take the avg damage those cruisers are doing it's lower than say the 3 BBs did with some good cit hits in that battle.   So at the end, it shows four Clevelands doing 40K each, and 3 battleships doing 50K each.   The ADPG is higher on the BB but lower on the Cleveland, but because there were more Clevelands in the battle, (and perhaps the Omaha and Aoba etc) the cruisers are chewing through damage and spreading that damage across the battle, so it's not showing up in the stats as high, but it's driving the player base crazy dealing with all those fires and feeling helpless to do anything about it.

 

The same could be said now for the one CV in the battle.  He has an avg damage of say 60K in the game, but it's still not the same as the four or five cruisers combined.  So, he's getting high avg dmg stats but the data is high in its favour because there is only one ship in the game sharing that damage pool.  My avg damage per game in a CV is always lower if there are two on the team compared to one.  That damage can be mitigated by enemy CV, or anti air, which lets face it, the Cleveland is bad [edited]in against tier 5-7 CVs.   So not only are those cruisers spreading all that fire damage, now they are also shooting down planes, and mitigating enemy torpedo and bomb damage.

 

You get where I'm going here?

[Grizley]

The reason why people don't complain about the cruisers "fire spamming he" is because it's just not that effective.  Outside of shooting a CVs that aren't already burning and BBs that have armor too thick to citadel a CA should be using AP.

 

First, I usually see roughly the same number of BBs and CAs in a game.  Sometimes one team has a few more or less of one or the other, but in general I would say you see 1-2 carriers 4-5 bb, 4-5 ca and 2-3 dd per game. If anything it seems like BB are over represented and DD under.  

 

If your contention is that you should lump all CA together and then compare the entire group to a BB or CV well... that's fairly silly.  How about instead we add up all the BB damage and compare it to one CA?  Does that work for you?

 

Looking at your games you earn roughly similar amounts of XP in BBs and CAs, and get 200-500 a game more in CVs, so 20-50%.    And you are a well below average CV player and an above average CA player. 

[Lenrir59]

Every time.

 

[Rtn_2_Sender]

Try playing a BB at high tier versus T9&10 CV's. It's just stupid and why I don't play either of my T10 ships. Having more than 1 CV on a side is stupid plain and simple and ahaving more CV's on one side is even worse. 

 

I just looked at the stats someone posted regarding how CV's were doing overall and so we now have documented proof that CV's are unbalanced. The do considerable more damage than any other ships and coupled with their ability to stay hidden while border scumming makes them ruin games. Sorry but the only people that try to defend CV's are the players that want/need the advantage. Put them in other ships versus the CV's and they whine like little girls.

[mouth1313]

Try playing a BB at high tier versus T9&10 CV's. It's just stupid and why I don't play either of my T10 ships. Having more than 1 CV on a side is stupid plain and simple and ahaving more CV's on one side is even worse. 

 

I just looked at the stats someone posted regarding how CV's were doing overall and so we now have documented proof that CV's are unbalanced. The do considerable more damage than any other ships and coupled with their ability to stay hidden while border scumming makes them ruin games. Sorry but the only people that try to defend CV's are the players that want/need the advantage. Put them in other ships versus the CV's and they whine like little girls.

To be fair, that's not all of us. I started playing this game for CVs, and I absolutely fell in love with BBs. 

[ForceUser]

Try playing a BB at high tier versus T9&10 CV's. It's just stupid and why I don't play either of my T10 ships. Having more than 1 CV on a side is stupid plain and simple and ahaving more CV's on one side is even worse. 

 

I just looked at the stats someone posted regarding how CV's were doing overall and so we now have documented proof that CV's are unbalanced. The do considerable more damage than any other ships and coupled with their ability to stay hidden while border scumming makes them ruin games. Sorry but the only people that try to defend CV's are the players that want/need the advantage. Put them in other ships versus the CV's and they whine like little girls.

 

IJN CVs are overperforming, USN CVs are horrendously underperforming.

 

worse than BBs even. Please be sure to give correct infomration in the future.

[IronWolfV]

stupid players who think CV need a nerf when u can see it way underpowered u just make me want to laugh at u so hard

 

• border need a Fix
• T9 n up need a cred fix
• invisible ships need a fix
• we need T1/T2 carriers 
• camouflage need a fix it not workin as it should be
• us need a better bal in there ships givin them Turnin force is a joke
• match making need a fix at this point it just broken and it makin players  upset
• us carriers need more planes in hanger

 

T1/2 carriers? Umm at that point there were no planes to fly off ships pal.  That didn't come around till 1908 and the fist carriers didn't come around till the time of the Langley.

 

What you ask for, simply doesn't exist.

[Kumacho]

Explain to me again how it's the cruisers that are a problem not the CVs...

 

 

 

Nice try, but the dreaded whinemagnet Cleveland does half the damage of a IJN CV of the same tier.

 

The New Orleans does half the damage of USN CV and less than that of the IJN CV.  

 

In fact the craptastic Colorado averages 50% more damage done than the Pensacola,  to take that a step further NOT ONE ship in the cruiser line deals more damage than ANY of the battleships of the same tier, let alone the CVs.  

 

So lets hear what's so unbalanced about that hmmm?  Less damage, less xp, and that's too strong?  You must play a CV.

Where the fargin hell did you get those stats?!  I've been looking for exactly those spreadsheets.  Is there a website that has all the stats?

[anonym_gcj8DfBzuWqN]

Where the fargin hell did you get those stats?!  I've been looking for exactly those spreadsheets.  Is there a website that has all the stats?

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150719/statistics.html

 

asia server only.

[mouth1313]

We need the NA and RU data before we can confirm these stats as an accurate view of averages. Not only does the RU and NA players have, allegedly, vastly different play styles, but if I am allowed to point out a fairly accurate stereotype, Asian gamers tend to congregate to RTS gameplay. Not only that, but I think it would be accurate to say that in general they have far more "top level" RTS players than other regions. Just so happens RTS skills translate very well to CV play.

[Sakuzhi]

All the classes are fine enough, not good, fine enough. (DDs gets the nerfbat hard, but are still playable) )Please take your whiny baBBy wails elsewhere.

 

So that's why everyone, including CV players is saying that CVs are in need of getting nerfed right?